Explaining MS abilities...

[Natsu Shazneel]

You can f*ck off if you only have insults to say

He isn't lying you know.

 

[Styles]

Desires stem from feelings

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That's simply saying the more hate the stronger the Sharingan is. Or vise versa. A desire isn't gonna given you a MS ability that you want or wanted.

Obito awakened Kamui when he was about to die by the boulder. Nothing to do with a desire because all he was thinking about was saving Kakashi and Rin.

 

[SenseiSama]

That's simply saying the more hate the stronger the Sharingan is. Or vise versa. A desire isn't gonna given you a MS ability that you want or wanted.

It's more than that, Mangekyo in't a result of just emotions, the emotions required to awaken it come from specific thoughts going through the person's mind.

Sasuke awakened his MS when he felt guilty about Itachi's past and decided to destroy Konoha, he said in his own words that he wanted to "burn the past", Enton gives him that ability in the literal sense, he would've used it to destroy Konoha and the memories he had of the village.

Itachi awakened his MS after witnessing Shisui's death and being told to hide the truth behind it, distorting people's view of reality was his way of life and as a result he awakened an illusion technique.

Obito awakened Kamui when he was about to die by the boulder. Nothing to do with a desire because all he was thinking about was saving Kakashi and Rin.

He awakened Kamui when he saw Rin die and realized he failed to save her which goes against his ninja way. He wasn't there to help and as a result he awakened a jutsu that gives him the ability to reach his friends instantly and save them on time.

 

[SenseiSama]

So you think they gained the brothers' chakra, they weren't born with it?

No, I'm saying every Uchiha has Indra's chakra to a limited extent but only transmigrants can awaken the full chakra because they have the strongest genes.

If Sasuke were born with it then Naruto would've noticed Indra's presence since VoTE 1 and if Madara was born with it he wouldn't befriend Hashirama in the first place.

 

[Holy God]

The Mangekyou Sharingan does give abilities based on ones life, but I have a different outlooks on why they awakened them.

Itachi - Tsukuyomi: He entire life was based upon deception and thus this technique suits him perfectly

Itachi - Spiritual Tools: If his Mangekyou did come with the spiritual weapons, they were probably meant to give more basis upon the fact that he wanted to be a guardian that protects everyone, most importantly Sasuke, so he got a Susano'o with the power to manifest those feelings

Sasuke - Amaterasu: His hatred towards cutting bonds (Blaze Style) and burning the past is what lead him to awaken this ability

Obito - Kamui: I believe his situation of being crushed under a rock is what inspired this ability: the one to slip through things. Even Madara hinted at it when he said that "It was almost as if you phased through it" while talking in the cave. It may have also been due to his guilt of being unable to leave the cave in time.

 

[Styles]

It's more than that, Mangekyo in't a result of just emotions, the emotions required to awaken it come from specific thoughts going through the person's mind.

Sasuke awakened his MS when he felt guilty about Itachi's past and decided to destroy Konoha, he said in his own words that he wanted to "burn the past", Enton gives him that ability in the literal sense, he would've used it to destroy Konoha and the memories he had of the village.

Itachi awakened his MS after witnessing Shisui's death and being told to hide the truth behind it, distorting people's view of reality was his way of life and as a result he awakened an illusion technique.

Not really. Because Sasuke never said he wanted to do any of that till he gained EMS. With his MS he just wanted to destroy Konoha and kill the elders.

Even with Itachi that's false. Itachi was a pacifist his Tsykuyomi could've been so that he doesn't have to fight. But even then he have Amaterasu and Susano'o.

He awakened Kamui when he saw Rin die and realized he failed to save her which goes against his ninja way. He wasn't there to help and as a result he awakened a jutsu that gives him the ability to reach his friends instantly and save them on time.

No he didn't. He had Kamui way before that. But just like Sasuke he didn't know he awakened his MS.

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No, I'm saying every Uchiha has Indra's chakra to a limited extent but only transmigrants can awaken the full chakra because they have the strongest genes.

If Sasuke were born with it then Naruto would've noticed Indra's presence since VoTE 1 and if Madara was born with it he wouldn't befriend Hashirama in the first place.

Not really because in VOTE 1 Naruto and Sasuke couldn't read each other's heart's. Naruto and Sasuke noticed Indra's and Ashura's chakra because they became strong enough to feel/sense it when the clashed.

 

[Holy God]

No he didn't. He had Kamui way before that. But just like Sasuke he didn't know he awakened his MS.

That's literally impossible. You can't awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan without a complete Sharingan.

 

[Styles]

That's literally impossible. You can't awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan without a complete Sharingan.

Obviously it's not since Madara said Obito's body slipped threw the rocks. I doubt it's a plot hole because the same happened to Sasuke although it was just a 1 tomoe. He had to reawaken it all over again.

 

[SenseiSama]

Itachi - Spiritual Tools: If his Mangekyou did come with the spiritual weapons, they were probably meant to give more basis upon the fact that he wanted to be a guardian that protects everyone, most importantly Sasuke, so he got a Susano'o with the power to manifest those feelings

I agree with everything you said but regarding the spirit weapons, Totsuka puts the victim in an eternal genjutsu which relates to his need to deceive people with illusions while Yata shields himself from all attacks which relates to his need to protect everything he cherishes.

But having said that, they're probably not his abilities and he simply found them tanks to his extensive knowledge of shinobi history. I think the tools belonged to Indra originally and he knew where to find them.

And Obito awakened Kamui when he wasn't able to reach Kakashi and Rin in time, his ability would've come from his desire to always be around to protect his friends.

 

[Holy God]

Obviously it's not since Madara said Obito's body slipped threw the rocks. I doubt it's a plot hole because the same happened to Sasuke although it was just a 1 tomoe. He had to reawaken it all over again.

He said it seemed as if he phased through them, not that he literally did. His entire right side of his body was crushed anyways so that wouldn't make any sense. I don't know what you're referring to with Sasuke, but in order to awaken the Mangekyou you must have three tomoe which Obito never did until going outside the cave.

 

[SenseiSama]

Here you go spewing your grade A bs again. Lol i wanna sig you but don't know where to start, so many choices, 9882 posts of hot garbage, i just can't pick one.

Why don't you counter my arguments with facts instead of responding with the typical "fanfic" claim ? Oh right, you don't have any facts to use against me.

 

[Styles]

He said it seemed as if he phased through them, not that he literally did. His entire right side of his body was crushed anyways so that wouldn't make any sense. I don't know what you're referring to with Sasuke, but in order to awaken the Mangekyou you must have three tomoe which Obito never did until going outside the cave.

Uh if he was actually crushed he would have been dead. The part that Obito still had intact was phased threw the rocks and ended in Madara's hideout. The scan already proved that. Actually that's exactly the same thing Sasuke awakened his Sharingan during the massacre then passed out forgot he had it and had to reawaken it. Same could have been for Obito. We all know it happened with Kakashi he had to awaken his MS again even though he had it at 13 years old or so.

 

[Holy God]

Uh if he was actually crushed he would have been dead. The part that Obito still had intact was phased threw the rocks and ended in Madara's hideout. The scan already proved that. Actually that's exactly the same thing Sasuke awakened his Sharingan during the massacre then passed out forgot he had it and had to reawaken it. Same could have been for Obito. We all know it happened with Kakashi he had to awaken his MS again even though he had it at 13 years old or so.

He would not have been dead because this is a manga, not reality. If he had phased through the rock he wouldn't be in any pain nor would Madara have had to replace the entire right side of his body with Hashirama's cells. Madara himself confirms that his body was crushed. Besides, he was literally talking to Kakashi and Rin with two tomoe unless you want to say Obito only unlocked the Mangekyou for mere seconds. I still don't know what you're talking about with Sasuke. Can you give me a chapter to look at? I also dount Kakashi lost his Mangekyou. He just never used it and the story of Shippuuden wasn't thought through during Naruto (original series).

 

[neosmith500]

I already made this with more detail.

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in order to awaken the Mangekyou you must have three tomoe which Obito never did until going outside the cave.

Obito never gained 3T until after MS.

 

[Styles]

He would not have been dead because this is a manga, not reality. If he had phased through the rock he wouldn't be in any pain nor would Madara have had to replace the entire right side of his body with Hashirama's cells. Madara himself confirms that his body was crushed. Besides, he was literally talking to Kakashi and Rin with two tomoe unless you want to say Obito only unlocked the Mangekyou for mere seconds. I still don't know what you're talking about with Sasuke. Can you give me a chapter to look at? I also dount Kakashi lost his Mangekyou. He just never used it and the story of Shippuuden wasn't thought through during Naruto (original series).

that still don't make sense. How would one half of his body get flattened by a boulder but not his other half? Half of his body was already gone when the hideout collapsed. The side he gave his Sharingan to Kakashi got crushed the other side phased threw the rocks. So the half with no eye got replaced by a Zetsu body. His other half was fine.

During the massacre Sasuke awakened his Sharingan. Chased Itachi then passed out. Awakened his Sharingan again vs Haku.

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The same thing happened to Kakashi he awakened his MS passed out just like Sasuke and had to awaken it again.

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[Holy God]

that still don't make sense. How would one half of his body get flattened by a boulder but not his other half? Half of his body was already gone when the hideout collapsed. The side he gave his Sharingan to Kakashi got crushed the other side phased threw the rocks. So the half with no eye got replaced by a Zetsu body. His other half was fine.

During the massacre Sasuke awakened his Sharingan. Chased Itachi then passed out. Awakened his Sharingan again vs Haku.

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The same thing happened to Kakashi he awakened his MS passed out just like Sasuke and had to awaken it again.

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You got it backwards. The boulder smashed his right side, but didn't completely get his head as you can see in the manga. Obito entrusted only his left eye to Kakashi because, though it wasn't smashed, he couldn't reach his right eye. Madara replaced the entire right side that was crushed (as he himself says) with Hashirama's cells as you can see when Obito's a host (his right side is filled with scales).

As for the cases of Sasuke and Kakashi, they probably still had it, they just didn't know they could activate it. Obito on the other hand knew how to activate his Sharingan but only had two tomoe. Besides, as I've cleared up to you now, Obito had no reason to have used Kamui.