I don't get how Hiruzen would be so powerful

[Guntah]

Jiraiya never really tried to learn suck technique but his teammate Orochimaru was able to do it with no hands at all (despite the mask) while showing uses of it that Hiruzen wasn't able to preform.
Is Deathgod really it? It's not even something you use to fight with really.

But its a feat. A major Fuinjutsu technique that puts him as a master. It doesn't matte if its usable or not, I didn't say he was the strongest shinobi ever who could beat anyone who came at him, I said he was skilled. Orochimaru not having hands is also not really an argument. How does that make it any more dificult for him to learn it? He is another Fuinjutsu/Juinjutsu user, and its not like hand seals are a problem. He's not gonna use it anyway, it would kill him if that was the case. Plus, Jiraiya. I never said he tried. For all we know he had it but never had the chance to show it. I just said he never showed something of that level, which makes the technique, on its own way, impressive.

The bo staff was alright it is too one dimensional to compete with the elite guys.

Sasuke Uchiha is, alongside Naruto, the strongest man in the Shinobi world yet he still carries his katana behind him anywhere he goes. Don't underestimate the power of a single weapon.

 

[Char Aznable]

Kishi changed his mind. Obviously.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Kishi changed his mind. Obviously.

Because you personally knew that right? That still doesn't explain the fourth databook either.

But its a feat. A major Fuinjutsu technique that puts him as a master. It doesn't matte if its usable or not, I didn't say he was the strongest shinobi ever who could beat anyone who came at him, I said he was skilled. Orochimaru not having hands is also not really an argument. How does that make it any more dificult for him to learn it? He is another Fuinjutsu/Juinjutsu user, and its not like hand seals are a problem. He's not gonna use it anyway, it would kill him if that was the case. Plus, Jiraiya. I never said he tried. For all we know he had it but never had the chance to show it. I just said he never showed something of that level, which makes the technique, on its own way, impressive.

So in short, anyone being able to use deathgod at all is pretty impressive?

Sasuke Uchiha is, alongside Naruto, the strongest man in the Shinobi world yet he still carries his katana behind him anywhere he goes. Don't underestimate the power of a single weapon.

A lot of notable people carry weapons around with them including some that are not so great, it's just a preference for fighting style if anything. Sasuke doesn't carry a weapon summoning, he carries a basic ninja tool since he prefers a sword than a bunch of kunai knives. Orochimaru is the same way. So being a former disciple of Oro could explain why he is so use to sword usage since hebi sasuke.
I really wouldn't judge a boy from the type of weapon they got just only by how they use it.

My problem is that how can such a guy be revered as the strongest if he has all basic technique mastered yet has nothing special that stands out for him like mokuton, bijuus' powers, edo tensei or Gojo, and advance medical ninja?

 

[Char Aznable]

Because you personally knew that right? That still doesn't explain the fourth databook either.

It's simple. Part 1 stated Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage and that he was legendary for his skills. Part 2 built up Hashirama as the strongest Hokage, with a list of abilities, feats and victories that far surpass Hiruzen. Hashirama's star rose because Kishi made the Uchiha the big bads of Part 2. As OP as Madara was, Hashirama had to be equally OP. Hell even Tobirama has good feats killing Uchiha in single combat that posses 3T and MS. Hiruzen's only rival was Danzo.

 

[baul 24]

Hiruzen was mentioned as the strongest 'kage' of his time not 'the strongest Hokage' .
At Hiruzen's time , people thought Hashirama and Madara's strengths are lies and legends .... Even Tsunade when fighting Madara mentioned "How could grandpa fight him (Madara)" means that she didn't know about her grandpa's legendary powers .

nicely explained mate yes no body knows extent of their true power

 

[baul 24]

Because there is no sage of sixpaths or indra, ashura stuff in part I

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

It's simple. Part 1 stated Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage and that he was legendary for his skills. Part 2 built up Hashirama as the strongest Hokage, with a list of abilities, feats and victories that far surpass Hiruzen. Hashirama's star rose because Kishi made the Uchiha the big bads of Part 2. As OP as Madara was, Hashirama had to be equally OP. Hell even Tobirama has good feats killing Uchiha in single combat that posses 3T and MS. Hiruzen's only rival was Danzo.

But like I said it doesn't the fourth databook.
You said it yourself that part 2 focused on senju and uchihas, and coincidental enough so did Danzo.
Yes I know hashirama and the Tobirama fought uchihas for years and that helped them grow strong individually but Tobirama was able to kill one MS user (because he blindsided him) and surely enough Danzo who rivals Hiruzen has arguably the strongest MS with multiple sharingans and senju/Orochimaru dna.
I think that hype is way too much for Hiruzen too.
The fourth databook said that he surpassed Tobirama as a kid. Like honestly, that doesn't make sense.

We know the reasons why all the other hokages came to be.
1. Naruto with senju/uzamaki descent which means he inherits the six parh yang power, Ashura incarnate/chakra, perfect jinchuuriki of all 9 bijuus, frog sagemode, and rikudou sagemode. <---just one of these make him kage level and he has 5 of these.

2. Hashirama is senju so six path yang inherited, Ashura incarnate/chakra, mokuton Kekkai genkai, and sagemode.

3. Tobirama is senju so he also inherits six path yang release and he invented one of the most strongest jutsus

4. Hiruzen none.

Like wtf

 

[MickNerks]

I will try to explain to you why Hiruzen is so Powerful.

1. Name one other ninja who has MASTERY over all the 5 elemental Nature w/o the aid of a Doujutsu?
2. Name one other ninja in the databook who has maxed out scores in

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3. In the original fanbook Kishimoto states than Monkey King Emna was the most powerful summon in the series.
4. Hiruzen has been shown and hailed as the most intelligent of all Hokage.
5. Hiruzen was hailed as being stronger than

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6. Orochimaru in his prime both respected and feared Hiruzen, even admitting that a

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to him.
7. Hiruzen at an old age exhibited such powerful chakra that it

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when released
8. After being alive to witness their prime strength, Hiruzen was still comfindent he could

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9. Hiruzen is one of the few people who could

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the Full Powered Nine Tails.
10. Hiruzen was able to

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when both Tobirama and Minato failed.

But aside from those thing, Hiruzen should be considered a beast because he isnt simply well rounded in all skills, but he has COMPLETELY MASTERED every aspect of Ninja Combat that could be mastered. Even without the ability to used KKG and Dojutsu he still

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He was able to compete with a

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If you take a step back and evaluate all of Hiruzen's feats compared to other shinobi, it's easy to see that he is one of the best shinobi in the manga.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I will try to explain to you why Hiruzen is so Powerful.

1. Name one other ninja who has MASTERY over all the 5 elemental Nature w/o the aid of a Doujutsu?
2. Name one other ninja in the databook who has maxed out scores in

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?
3. In the original fanbook Kishimoto states than Monkey King Emna was the most powerful summon in the series.
4. Hiruzen has been shown and hailed as the most intelligent of all Hokage.
5. Hiruzen was hailed as being stronger than

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.
6. Orochimaru in his prime both respected and feared Hiruzen, even admitting that a

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to him.
7. Hiruzen at an old age exhibited such powerful chakra that it

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when released
8. After being alive to witness their prime strength, Hiruzen was still comfindent he could

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.
9. Hiruzen is one of the few people who could

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the Full Powered Nine Tails.
10. Hiruzen was able to

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when both Tobirama and Minato failed.

But aside from those thing, Hiruzen should be considered a beast because he isnt simply well rounded in all skills, but he has COMPLETELY MASTERED every aspect of Ninja Combat that could be mastered. Even without the ability to used KKG and Dojutsu he still

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.

He was able to compete with a

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.

If you take a step back and evaluate all of Hiruzen's feats compared to other shinobi, it's easy to see that he is one of the best shinobi in the manga.

1. Kakazu
2.Itachi
3. Scan?
4. And Itachi was said to surpass all hokages in intellect, heck even kakshi was praised by the sage to be the best strategist in the whole series. Even the databook too.
5. That's why I wanna know why and how because the databook hyped him up to be the strongest kage in all of history.
6. Orochimaru during that young age didn't have nearly as much jutsus as he has now. And Itachi at 13 beat that same Orochimaru with a stare and one hand.
7. Tobirama and Hashirama was what really startled Orochimaru. So a small crack on a tile isn't something that'll overwhelm Orochimaru.

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8. But they were too much for him.
9. Summoning jutsu physical held down the kyuubi. Hiruzen needed aid from the village to just push the kyuubi.

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10. Okay
Lmao that's not an enhanced buddah, even the kyuubi can kill that thing with one swipe. It's not even the same size.

 

[Guntah]

So in short, anyone being able to use deathgod at all is pretty impressive?

....yep. I think calling forth a god to devour your enemy's soul is worth calling pretty impressive, yes.

My problem is that how can such a guy be revered as the strongest if he has all basic technique mastered yet has nothing special that stands out for him like mokuton, bijuus' powers, edo tensei or Gojo, and advance medical ninja?

I never said he was the strongest. Skilled, I said. Strongest? F*ck no. Hiruzen is low Kage level in his old age at best, his prime self is another matter entirely which we shall not touch because...well, it would complicate things mora than I'd care to. The point is: him getting where he did how he did with what he had is what I find impressive. The stuff he is able to pull off requires an undeniable amount of skill, even if in the end of the day they don't pack as much power. And that's worth something...or so I believe.

 

[ninjarasengan]

I don't see why Hiruzen should be very powerful, the only thing I give him is his super durable shadow clones. Besides that, how does he stand against Hashirama or Tobirama if he battled them?
And this whole databook 1-3 calling him god of shinobis yet he's practically featless, but that's not even what surprised me. The manga went as far to hype him up as the strongest hokage.

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WHY!!!??

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Manga could be referring to Hiruzen being the strongest of the Shinobi living during his reign as Hokage...Iruka also spoke in past tense, so he could've been surpassed at some point...and the power of Hashirama was dismissed as a fairy tale by the generation of Shinobi in Naruto

 

[Char Aznable]

But like I said it doesn't the fourth databook.
You said it yourself that part 2 focused on senju and uchihas, and coincidental enough so did Danzo.
Yes I know hashirama and the Tobirama fought uchihas for years and that helped them grow strong individually but Tobirama was able to kill one MS user (because he blindsided him) and surely enough Danzo who rivals Hiruzen has arguably the strongest MS with multiple sharingans and senju/Orochimaru dna.
I think that hype is way too much for Hiruzen too.
The fourth databook said that he surpassed Tobirama as a kid. Like honestly, that doesn't make sense.

We know the reasons why all the other hokages came to be.
1. Naruto with senju/uzamaki descent which means he inherits the six parh yang power, Ashura incarnate/chakra, perfect jinchuuriki of all 9 bijuus, frog sagemode, and rikudou sagemode. <---just one of these make him kage level and he has 5 of these.

2. Hashirama is senju so six path yang inherited, Ashura incarnate/chakra, mokuton Kekkai genkai, and sagemode.

3. Tobirama is senju so he also inherits six path yang release and he invented one of the most strongest jutsus

4. Hiruzen none.

Like wtf

Ignore the Databooks proclamations and focus on what Kishi writes in the manga. The Databook says that Kakashi's Raikiri can pierce anything, and it also says that Itachi's Yata Mirror can block any attack. So... which is it?

Tobirama's battles against the Uchiha (including Izuna and Madara), Kinkaku & Ginkaku (who are also descended from Hagormo and possess 5 of his sage tools) and kinds of Jutsu Tobirama created should put him way above Hiruzen, Résumé wise.

Hiruzen is famed to know every non-KKG jutsu in Konoha (except Rasengan, Raikiri/Chidori, FTG, Edo Tensei, Chakra Enhanced Strength and possibly the 8 Gates) and he can use all 5 element natures. The latter of which is also some Kakashi can do.

Hiruzen is hype.

 

[MickNerks]

1. Kakazu
2.Itachi
3. Scan?
4. And Itachi was said to surpass all hokages in intellect, heck even kakshi was praised by the sage to be the best strategist in the whole series. Even the databook too.
5. That's why I wanna know why and how because the databook hyped him up to be the strongest kage in all of history.
6. Orochimaru during that young age didn't have nearly as much jutsus as he has now. And Itachi at 13 beat that same Orochimaru with a stare and one hand.
7. Tobirama and Hashirama was what really startled Orochimaru. So a small crack on a tile isn't something that'll overwhelm Orochimaru.

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8. But they were too much for him.
9. Summoning jutsu physical held down the kyuubi. Hiruzen needed aid from the village to just push the kyuubi.

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10. Okay
Lmao that's not an enhanced buddah, even the kyuubi can kill that thing with one swipe. It's not even the same size.

1. Kakazu was augmented in order to use all 5 natures. He was not able to perform that feat without stealing other peoples hearts. Hiruzen was able to simply learn them on his own without doujutus or augmentations.

2. Itachi does not have a 5 in all categories. He is close but Hiruzen is the only shinobi to have all 5's.

3. Ill find it, I found a copy in Barnes and Noble.

4. Itachi was never said to be more intelligent than Hiruzen. He was said to have the

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at the age seven. Having the wisdom of a hokage is not the same as having the INTELLIGENCE (to learn jutsu) of the smartest Hokage dubbed the professor such as Hiruzen. Also, the praise that the sage gave kakashi takes nothing away from the intelligence of Hiruzen, Hiruzen was the only hokage to understand the Nature of the Truth seeking orbs after having seen it once all within less than a minute.

5. Because Kishimoto originally set him up to be the most powerful force in the ninja world during part 1. And even if kishi did decide that hiruzen was no longer the God of Shinobi, he still never took away the hype of his mastery of jutsu. Kishi even showed us his mastery and battle proficiency during the war.

6. Orochimru didnt say if it was 10 years ago, he said if Hiruzen had been 10 years younger. Basically if they had the same fight but Hiruzen was 59 instead of 69 he would have won. Thats truely saying something about how strong he was in his prime. Even Enma made a similar statement.

7. If you pay attention to Orochimaru's face when Hiruzen unleashed his chakra, it was the same face orochimaru used when Hashirama released his. Thats why I said overwhelm, becasue oro seemed stunned by how heavy the atmosphere became.

8. You cant say they were to much for him if he beat them. He found a way to counter all there jutsu, bested them in taijutsu, and sealed them both while being blinded. You cant name one other ninja from part 1 who could have stopped Oro, Hashirama, and Tobirama at once (Other than Hiruzen).

9. Hiruzen used Monkey King Enma to bully Kurama out of the village (Physically Overpower).

The buddah was enhanced by Hashirama Cells, though it was not his Senjutsu Buddah it still had powerful chakra since it was derived from a ninja with Hashirama's cells. The fact that hiruzen could muster elemental justu on the same scale at such an old age is impressive. Once again, there was no one else in the alliance who could create justu on the scale except Madara, Obito, or Gaara.