I don't get how Hiruzen would be so powerful

[Rikudou Tobi]

I don't see why Hiruzen should be very powerful, the only thing I give him is his super durable shadow clones. Besides that, how does he stand against Hashirama or Tobirama if he battled them?
And this whole databook 1-3 calling him god of shinobis yet he's practically featless, but that's not even what surprised me. The manga went as far to hype him up as the strongest hokage.

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WHY!!!??

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[HashiraMadara]

*well simple fact, he can't stand up to them :|

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

*well simple fact, he can't stand up to them :|

Talking from kishis perspective and why he would assume so. I never said he did :|

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

Well mastering every jutsu in the leaf makes you pretty strong but still, compared to others he's average

 

[SZiaee]

Hiruzen was mentioned as the strongest 'kage' of his time not 'the strongest Hokage' .
At Hiruzen's time , people thought Hashirama and Madara's strengths are lies and legends .... Even Tsunade when fighting Madara mentioned "How could grandpa fight him (Madara)" means that she didn't know about her grandpa's legendary powers .

 

[123fire]

I think you made the same exact thread a year ago

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Hiruzen was mentioned as the strongest 'kage' of his time not 'the strongest Hokage' .
At Hiruzen's time , people thought Hashirama and Madara's strengths are lies and legends .... Even Tsunade when fighting Madara mentioned "How could grandpa fight him (Madara)" means that she didn't know about her grandpa's legendary powers .

kabuto said that he was the strongest of the kages while Ebisu said he was the strongest and smartest hokage in leaf village history. It's just more wank that went unexplained.

Well mastering every jutsu in the leaf makes you pretty strong but still, compared to others he's average

I mean mastering substitution jutsu, shadow clones, and all that other basic stuff seems to be expected right? He only said he had a thousand jutsu which kakashi claimed to copied as much before he become jounin leader.

 

[davidou]

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This is strong but not very smart, he should have countered each nature release with the nature that is strong against it.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Kishi probably intended him or Minato to be the strongest in p1 but he retconned it so he can juice up Hashirama for the whole Indra/Ashura and Madara thing.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

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This is strong but not very smart, he should have countered each nature release with the nature that is strong against it.

Maybe he didn't want anyone to get caught in the crossfire? I know that if you use wind on lightning it would disperse and affect everyone around you. Either way I agree that it wasn't the best choice, I disagree about it being strong. That's like kakazu mask right there or even kakashi.

Kishi probably intended him or Minato to be the strongest in p1 but he retconned it so he can juice up Hashirama for the whole Indra/Ashura and Madara thing.

I thought kishi wanted to make every other hokage after some ancient respected entity. The first hokage, third hokage, and possibly the fifth hokage.

 

[startup97]

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Fourth Databook proof!!!

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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama in the Nature Elements. All five nature alterations, Hiden (clan techniques), Genjutsu, all Ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. Hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member

5 Elements - Not even his full power???

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Since Hiruzen was revived at old age, his chakra and power should be as low as before but wait... Tobirama states that the Hokage have been revived "close to original power" this means Hiruzen was revived weaker then he was alive at old age yet he was able to produce the 5 Elements at such mastery. Just imagine his Prime.

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Hiruzen knows and could perform all non KKG Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals =

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Broken Ninjutsu versatility

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Hidden Leaf Tech

Neutalizer technique, Bringer of Darkness, Great Clone Explosion and all 8 Gates at will.
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough


Hiruzen (Sarutobi Clan)
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Izunaka Clan
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades

Uzumaki Clan

Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Five Elements Unseal

OP Summoning Monkey King Enma

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The Third hokage's comrade in arms, the monkey king enma's transformation jutsu Characterized by the hardness of diamond and its at-will extensibility, Kongou Nyoi-Bou is Sandaime's"weapon of choice", so to speak and with it in hand he's made it through a world of war for an extended period of time.

Also, when Enma is transformed into Diamond Shifting Staff, it is also possible that he can attack out of his own free will, his claws and fangs add an element of surprise and irregularity. Forged in the fire of battle, its at-will transformation-based attack and defense go beyond the scope of proficiency, to attain the realm of Shinobi "godhood".

-The main method of attack consists in strikes and thrusts that take advantage of its extensibility. The hardness of diamond translates into destructive power.

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自在に変幻する堅固なる獄！！
A solid prison that changes shape at will!!

Paragraphs:
金剛如意に変化した猿魔が、さらに�� �身して数十本の如意棒に姿を変え、� ��の四方八方を格子状に取り囲んで捕 縛する術。
After transforming himself into an adamantium staff, Enma clones himself in staff form then boxes the enemy into a lattice.

金剛の堅さを持つ牢壁は決して破る�� �と能わず、捕えられた敵は座して敗� ��の屈辱を知るのみ。
The prison wall with the toughness of adamantium cannot possibly be broken, and the captured enemy is left with nothing but the humility of defeat.

Durability Feats - Super Kage Bunshin???

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Hiruzen has shown to have excellent durability feats at age 69 with his Kage Bunshin as one of his clones was stabbed by Hashirama with 4 Kunai in the chest yet did not disperse until Hiruzen was done with it. He was also able to hold Orochimaru's soul for an hour long despite being stabbed through the chest by the Sword of Kusangi.

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Dangerous CQC

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Even past his Prime, Hiruzen had showed excellent Close Quarter Combat skills. Moments after sealing parts of his soul away to seal the Edo Hokage and exhausting his remaining Chakra on Kage Bunshin, he was still able to easily disarm Orochimaru from his Sword of Kusangi with great ease and catch him to prepare his sealing Jutsu. He was also able to easily break through the Shinju branches and save Naruto despite Tobirama and Minato unable to get through.

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Further Hype and Testimonials

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Orochimaru admitting that he would be killed by a 59 year old Hiruzen.

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Danzo in his dying moments admitting inferiority despite possessing Izanagi, Kotoamatsukami and Hashirama's DNA.

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Kabuto, a spy who has spied on and knows all about the Shinobi countries states that an old Hiruzen was stronger then all the 5 Kage at the time. Just imagine his Prime.

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Even with the entire SA and 5 Kage, Shikamaru states that only Hiruzen could contend with Guruguru at the time.

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Considers himself to be the strongest in his group which also included Tobirama. Confident enough to take on the entire Kinkaku and survive.

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Extra Databook Hype

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"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure

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[Aznkidd]

Because he is known for his neutralize no jutsu. He can just counter almost everything because of his knowlegde. He is same as other hokage who wasnt brought back at their prime....

 

[Guntah]

Hiruzen is the most skilled Shinobi in the show. A Fuinjutsu, Taijutsu, Bojutsu and, above all, Ninjutsu user which puts all he has to its full potential without having to rely in any Kekkei Genkai.

He's the real OG.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Hiruzen is the most skilled Shinobi in the show. A Fuinjutsu, Taijutsu, Bojutsu and, above all, Ninjutsu user which puts all he has to its full potential without having to rely in any Kekkei Genkai.

He's the real OG.

Can you name this all of the above? Because the fuuinjutsu he copied was a uzamaki technique that he copied from the fourth which also Orochimaru happens to know as well. Bojustu?
His taijutsu isn't to crazy either. What exactly makes him so skilled?

Because he is known for his neutralize no jutsu. He can just counter almost everything because of his knowlegde. He is same as other hokage who wasnt brought back at their prime....

Those fanfic levels man.

 

[LoZelda101]

Lmao apparently mastering basic shit makes him god tier.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Lmao apparently mastering basic shit makes him god tier.

Exactly what I'm saying. Lmao. If that's the case, why didn't anyone else master basic shit to make them God of shinobis too. Screw Kekkai genkai I guess haha.

 

[LoZelda101]

Exactly what I'm saying. Lmao. If that's the case, why didn't anyone else master basic shit to make them God of shinobis too. Screw Kekkai genkai I guess haha.

Lol true, especially if you compare him to Kakashi who is known for copying over 1000 jutsus, has sharingan and is the son of the white fang.




Shits his pants against orochimaru,


both who shat themselves against itachi :lol

 

[Guntah]

Can you name this all of the above? Because the fuuinjutsu he copied was a uzamaki technique that he copied from the fourth which also Orochimaru happens to know as well. Bojustu?
His taijutsu isn't to crazy either. What exactly makes him so skilled?

How is him copying a technique from Minato given any more credit than Minato learning it himself? Its an impressive feat, a master's fuinjutsu, that calls upon the death god itself and should thus be given such credit. Not even Jiraiya was shown to pull something of this level off. Bojutsu is the art of the bo staff, which he was good enough with to get through the Shinju itself. THough now that I think about it, Bukijutsu would be more appropriate seeing as he also was a beast with Shuriken. Can't say much for Taijutsu, though he was able to keep up with the previous hokage on the matter, even if they were weakened and he was already old.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Because we never saw Prime Hiruzen :elmo:

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Lol true, especially if you compare him to Kakashi who is known for copying over 1000 jutsus, has sharingan and is the son of the white fang.




Shits his pants against orochimaru,


both who shat themselves against itachi :lol

Itachi God of shinobis confirm. Kishi just sent a hidden message.

Because we never saw Prime Hiruzen :elmo:

I honestly want to know your true ideal on prime Hiruzen. Like honest to god or buddah. Cuz this dude is like the king of basics.

How is him copying a technique from Minato given any more credit than Minato learning it himself? Its an impressive feat, a master's fuinjutsu, that calls upon the death god itself and should thus be given such credit. Not even Jiraiya was shown to pull something of this level off. Bojutsu is the art of the bo staff, which he was good enough with to get through the Shinju itself. THough now that I think about it, Bukijutsu would be more appropriate seeing as he also was a beast with Shuriken. Can't say much for Taijutsu, though he was able to keep up with the previous hokage on the matter, even if they were weakened and he was already old.

Jiraiya never really tried to learn suck technique but his teammate Orochimaru was able to do it with no hands at all (despite the mask) while showing uses of it that Hiruzen wasn't able to preform.
Is Deathgod really it? It's not even something you use to fight with really.

The bo staff was alright it is too one dimensional to compete with the elite guys.