Sasuke's Rinnegan is Weaker than Madara's

[90sKids98]

And the name....sorta :lol

You do know six paths chakra work on limbo clones right? Which Sasuke has. And Sasuke keep talking about the limbo clones because Naruto can't see them. Nor can Kakashi/Sakura. And Madara really don't have a counter for Amenojikara either.

Madara can react to Ameno, and Ameno couldn't even kill him lol so idk why he'd need to truly counter it with a jutsu (again he has limbo tho). Naruto could sense the clones so he didn't need to warn them and why would he tell Kakashi and Sakura if he didn't care whether they helped or not?

 

[Holy God]

he didnt react because he couldnt, not because he didnt care. he cared enough to fodder slap minato away when the latter ftgd towards him, but suddenly he wont care against another s/t attack? ok. bold. and those people are right, he couldnt react with juubi and shinju means he gets laughably blized without those boosts. its just simple logic

Madara wasn't immortal when facing Minato and it was a different circumstance. I'll give Sasuke his first two attacks, those of which DRSM Madara could brush off anyways, since Madara was observing his technique still, but if you think Madara couldn't react to being bisected then that's something else. Can you think of a reason why Naruto, Momoshiki, and Shin were all able to counter with their inferior speed and reflexes?

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

A lot people can react to Ameno. Its over hyped by fans as usual...:tea:

 

[bowflex]

shin reacted to ameno, madara laughs at that shit.

 

[SZiaee]

bro I'm almost done. ok Madara needs EMS to activate PS for the first time then he can use it without EMS as shown by his EDO TENSEI SELF USING PS WITHOUT EMS ACTIVATED!!. It's like how Itachi used Susanoo without MS activated(when we first saw Susanoo) but he must have used MS to trigger Susanoo because that is what hapened with Sasuke. But my point still stands we have proof of Madara not using PS along with EMS and that just disproves your argument. Using PS with EMS may apply to Sasuke but with Madara Kishi has shown otherwise.
Since when did he use Limbo in the fight against Guy at all. He used the TSB to protect himself and attack but he didn't use Limbo. If he had used Limbo then Guy would be dead because he can't see it or counter it. For the last time we saw Edo Madara with no EMS activated, use it. Wehter or not Madara used it against Gai is completely irrelevant considering we have evidence of Madara using PS with no EMS, which is what you believe is what is required to use PS. The only logical conclusion is that Madara didn't use it because he didn't want to or Kishi is just using Plot Induced Stupidity not that he wasn't able to. If there was evidence that Madara needed EMS to use PS like say every instance of PS use was with his EMS activated then I would agree with you. But again we have Edo Tensei Madara with no EMS activated PS and madara with no eyes using a weaker Susanoo.
3. kakashi with MS activated PS using Obito's power. That proves PS isn't necassarily dependent on EMS but I believe it depends if a person has strong enough sharingan power. Sasuke/Madara achieved the requirement with EMS and Obito achieved it using Six Paths chakra.

Sorry for late answer .... I was zzzz . BTW :
1- You must have EMS in your eye socket ... Activated or dis activated doesn't matter . And we know that Edo Madara had EMS in his eye socket ....
2- I checked that ... Madara didn't have any Limbo in his fight with Guy (People are saying Madara was enjoying and that's why he didn't defend any of Guy's attacks (with Limbo or PS if he had) ... But this is false (Why ? Because if he was enjoying then again why did he use TSB to defend Guy's attack---Shippuden 420) ) ... And tell me if he had PS why didn't he use it when he found out TSB is useless ???? You can't say he was enjoying because TSB was his strongest defense .
3- Your question was good enough for me to start a research ... I found that EMS isn't enough for activating PS !!! Sorry but you can go here read why Kakashi could use PS : aminoapps.com/page/anime/5768530/the-3-types-of-susanoo ====> use http at first of it .
But again , Madara can't use PS because he doesn't even possess MS now .

 

[Aznkidd]

he didnt react because he couldnt, not because he didnt care. he cared enough to fodder slap minato away when the latter ftgd towards him, but suddenly he wont care against another s/t attack? ok. bold. and those people are right, he couldnt react with juubi and shinju means he gets laughably blized without those boosts. its just simple logic

Sasuke seized the moment "Madara snap Kakashi eye out and put it in him" to strike :lol
not only that Madara was busing to get his eye back, so he didnt care at all :lol
he even cast away the god tool that "slowed" him down :lol

 

[Uchihakil]

Sasuke fans *shaking my head*

Madara is and will forever be superior, yall claim sasuke would be stronger than madara if he was the juubi jin (i agree) , but what if madara had the same powerup given to sasuke by the sage.
- sasuke can't kill nor seal jj madara, madara has seen ameno and figured out how it works and its range
- sasuke has'nt countered limbo, sasuke fans saying stuff like limbo clones are like shadow clones to madara lmao, have yaall seen limbo clone vanish from heavy hits??? Sasuke fans claiming limbo are like clones to sasuke shows how ignorant of limbo they are, limbo straight up blocked a goudodama staff slash from naruto (i don't need to bring forth a scan) sasuke can't fight 5 of those alone
- just like how sasuke can utilize ameno and insta swap to attack, madara can also prepp an attack and swap with limbo to attack
- madara can evade any dangerous technique with limbo swap
I will take limbo over ameno (not that ameno aint good) but i think limbo in some cases is more useful
I can go on and on on why madara is superior but i think i will just create a thread for it

 

[SharinganProdigy]

Hi, I made a pretty long response with manga scans to this thread yesterday but it says a mod has to approve it. Do you guys know when a mod will approve it or did I waste a lot of my time? Other messages submit; I guess it was the images I used?

 

[Edogawa]

Sasuke's Rinnegan is simply another variant of the Rinnegan, but because it's one eye, it's as powerful as one tomoe-less Rinnegan. If there was anything unique about it, there would have been a Databook page. The premise of your thread is correct indeed: Two Rinnegan is stronger than Sasuke's Rinnegan/ or one Rinnegan, as canonically stated in the manga.

 

[King Of Pop]

Madara wasn't immortal when facing Minato and it was a different circumstance. I'll give Sasuke his first two attacks, those of which DRSM Madara could brush off anyways, since Madara was observing his technique still, but if you think Madara couldn't react to being bisected then that's something else. Can you think of a reason why Naruto, Momoshiki, and Shin were all able to counter with their inferior speed and reflexes?

bold. considering those are the attacks i was referring to and not when sasuke bisected him then my point is made. and no DRSM madara is not brushing off being impaled with chidori or a sword to his chest when Rsm adult naruto was on his knees from such.

naruto is not inferior to madara in reactions. DB said his reactions in Rsm meet or exceed madara in his jj form.

sasuke warped some distance behind shin and then used katon, not the same as warping directly to shin and attacking like he did to kaguya and naruto. so no he didnt react to anything, what he reacted to was katon and that was a weakened sasuke who had used up a lot of chakra and wasnt going for the kill as he wanted to capture shin. all in all irrelevant

as for momoshiki, have you heard of feats? if he can react to ameno from a farr superior form of sasuke to the one that madara failed to react to then it means momoshiki>1 R jj madara in reactions. that is what feats show so it cant be denied. you already conceded in the bold so there s no need to continue this

Sasuke seized the moment "Madara snap Kakashi eye out and put it in him" to strike :lol
not only that Madara was busing to get his eye back, so he didnt care at all :lol
he even cast away the god tool that "slowed" him down :lol

was not referring to that moment. nice excuse tho

 

[Holy God]

bold. considering those are the attacks i was referring to and not when sasuke bisected him then my point is made. and no DRSM madara is not brushing off being impaled with chidori or a sword to his chest when Rsm adult naruto was on his knees from such.

naruto is not inferior to madara in reactions. DB said his reactions in Rsm meet or exceed madara in his jj form.

sasuke warped some distance behind shin and then used katon, not the same as warping directly to shin and attacking like he did to kaguya and naruto. so no he didnt react to anything, what he reacted to was katon and that was a weakened sasuke who had used up a lot of chakra and wasnt going for the kill as he wanted to capture shin. all in all irrelevant

as for momoshiki, have you heard of feats? if he can react to ameno from a farr superior form of sasuke to the one that madara failed to react to then it means momoshiki>1 R jj madara in reactions. that is what feats show so it cant be denied. you already conceded in the bold so there s no need to continue this



was not referring to that moment. nice excuse tho

Madara is brushing off a mere stab wound or Chidori due to Hashirama's healing and Limbo. Chidori didn't even pierce Madara nor did it Naruto. You can't deny that there's literally no reason why Momoshiki should have better reactions than Holy Madara though. Besides what he's shown, nothing actually allows him to do it. As for Naruto, the Databook always hypes things up, so at most their reactions are equal since he has less eyesight and chakra.

 

[Jiren]

Everything you said was because Madara had more chakra than Sasuke. Not because of the power of his rinnegan. Madara awakened two rinnegans and Sasuke only awakened one. Sasukes one rinnegan = madaras two rinnegan because "power of both eyes"" only applies to Madara since his rinnegan came that way.

 

[SZiaee]

Madara can react to Ameno, and Ameno couldn't even kill him lol so idk why he'd need to truly counter it with a jutsu (again he has limbo tho). Naruto could sense the clones so he didn't need to warn them and why would he tell Kakashi and Sakura if he didn't care whether they helped or not?

Ameno killed Madara two times ... Limbo saved Madara .... Show me a picture of Madara reacting to Ameno without death . (Not to mention Kamui saved Madara one other time)
Think about it : Sasuke could kill Madara (in JJ mode !!!) three times with one jutsu .... Madara could kill Sasuke just one time without rinnegan ...
Madara's limbo is nothing more than a shadow clone for Sasuke ...
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And Sasuke cared about Kakashi and Sakura (Proof : His dream was to become Hokage) ....

 

[King Of Pop]

=Holy God;20650612]Madara is brushing off a mere stab wound or Chidori due to Hashirama's healing and Limbo.

hashirama healing is not allowing madara brush off being impaled by black chidori da fuk? especially aimed at his heart

Chidori didn't even pierce Madara nor did it Naruto.

and now you are comparing guys who have bijju cloaks(one from the juubi and another from all 9 bijjus) to someone who doesnt? what in the hell? are you reading what you are typing?

You can't deny that there's literally no reason why Momoshiki should have better reactions than Holy Madara though. Besides what he's shown, nothing actually allows him to do it.

it might be an inconsistency but the interpretation of feats lends one to that conclusion

As for Naruto, the Databook always hypes things up, so at most their reactions are equal since he has less eyesight and chakra.

you saying the DB hypes him is not an argument. he has the feat to prove it when he was able to react to sasuke even with a distraction whereas madara couldnt at all.

 

[SZiaee]

Everything you said was because Madara had more chakra than Sasuke. Not because of the power of his rinnegan. Madara awakened two rinnegans and Sasuke only awakened one. Sasukes one rinnegan = madaras two rinnegan because "power of both eyes"" only applies to Madara since his rinnegan came that way.

Exactly , Why are you comparing number of eyes ? Quality is much more important ... Let me explain you with an example :
Obito awakened one MS , Sasuke awakened two MS ... Can you tell me whose MS was stronger ??? You will actually choose Obito's MS . (because of it's special techs : Kamui >>> Amaterasu and Kagatsuch and Susanoo)
And Sasuke's Ameno is far more powerful than Madara's Limbo .

 

[Jiren]

Exactly , Why are you comparing number of eyes ? Quality is much more important ... Let me explain you with an example :
Obito awakened one MS , Sasuke awakened two MS ... Can you tell me whose MS was stronger ??? You will actually choose Obito's MS . (because of it's special techs : Kamui >>> Amaterasu and Kagatsuch and Susanoo)
And Sasuke's Ameno is far more powerful than Madara's Limbo .

I think Ameno is better at the rikudou level than Madaras Limbo. Limbo is most advantageous because you can't see or sense it. Since people at the rikudou level can see and sense it they can make counters for it. Its super op against non rikudou users but idk why my fellow MAdara fans think it's an unbeatable jutsu. It also has a llimit like AMeno but the hardcore fappers forget.

 

[90sKids98]

Ameno killed Madara two times ... Limbo saved Madara .... Show me a picture of Madara reacting to Ameno without death . (Not to mention Kamui saved Madara one other time)
Think about it : Sasuke could kill Madara (in JJ mode !!!) three times with one jutsu .... Madara could kill Sasuke just one time without rinnegan ...
Madara's limbo is nothing more than a shadow clone for Sasuke ...
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And Sasuke cared about Kakashi and Sakura (Proof : His dream was to become Hokage) ....

Tisk... If it "killed" Madara twice why was he perfectly fine? JJ Madara laughs at "fatal" attacks because it does not kill him. Madara never needed to worry about Sasuke alone but with Naruto and Sasuke together he knew he needed his left eye so that it was a real fair fight. And if it was just a shadow clone why did his sword go right through Limbo? Face it Sasuke alone has nothing to counter Madara

 

[SZiaee]

Tisk... If it "killed" Madara twice why was he perfectly fine? JJ Madara laughs at "fatal" attacks because it does not kill him. Madara never needed to worry about Sasuke alone but with Naruto and Sasuke together he knew he needed his left eye so that it was a real fair fight. And if it was just a shadow clone why did his sword go right through Limbo? Face it Sasuke alone has nothing to counter Madara

You're wrong because :
1- Sasuke killed Madara ; he survived because of Limbo (Madara used 2 limbos which means you must kill him 3 times to meet his death)
2-Didn't you see a shadow clone dodging someone's attack ? Madara's Limbo just dodged a sword and that doesn't really make sense.
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You must remember why you created this thread ; Sasuke's rinnegan or Madara's rinnegans ? You are comparing chakra not just eyes (Of course JJ Madara with two rinnegans beats Sasuke alone)
I must agree with you in one sentence : Sasuke alone has nothing to counter JJ-two rinnegan Madara .

 

[90sKids98]

You're wrong because :
1- Sasuke killed Madara ; he survived because of Limbo (Madara used 2 limbos which means you must kill him 3 times to meet his death)
2-Didn't you see a shadow clone dodging someone's attack ? Madara's Limbo just dodged a sword and that doesn't really make sense.
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You must remember why you created this thread ; Sasuke's rinnegan or Madara's rinnegans ? You are comparing chakra not just eyes (Of course JJ Madara with two rinnegans beats Sasuke alone)
I must agree with you in one sentence : Sasuke alone has nothing to counter JJ-two rinnegan Madara .

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2. Nice Fanfic
Since when did it say in the manga it takes "3 limbos to kill Madara" XD This isn't bloody mary just stop. Also the limbo clone was always there it didn't "dodge" anything. Go reread the manga k?

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Sasuke says he sees the clone yet the sword didn't hit it, soo try again

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Sorry for late answer .... I was zzzz . BTW :
1- You must have EMS in your eye socket ... Activated or dis activated doesn't matter . And we know that Edo Madara had EMS in his eye socket ....
2- I checked that ... Madara didn't have any Limbo in his fight with Guy (People are saying Madara was enjoying and that's why he didn't defend any of Guy's attacks (with Limbo or PS if he had) ... But this is false (Why ? Because if he was enjoying then again why did he use TSB to defend Guy's attack---Shippuden 420) ) ... And tell me if he had PS why didn't he use it when he found out TSB is useless ???? You can't say he was enjoying because TSB was his strongest defense .
3- Your question was good enough for me to start a research ... I found that EMS isn't enough for activating PS !!! Sorry but you can go here read why Kakashi could use PS : aminoapps.com/page/anime/5768530/the-3-types-of-susanoo ====> use http at first of it .
But again , Madara can't use PS because he doesn't even possess MS now .

you know what. After this post I'm done with you. That aminoapps page is wrong. EMS Madara (before he got Hashi dna) has Perfect Susanoo. That is how he coated Kurama. EMS Sasuke (before Hagoromo power up) also has PS because he coated Kurama too. Both Madara's and Sasuke's Kurama armor display traits of PS like the pointy nose, katanas, and the head diamond. So by your logic Itachi can use Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi when his eyes are just black because his MS is still in his eye socket right? Madara's Rinnegan can't use sharingan moves that is why he switches back into them to do stuff like genjutsu. His EMS and Rinnegan are not combined together he needs to cycle through them, so if he puts on Rinnegan then his EMS+EMS techs are temporarily unavailable, the fact that Edo Madara had Rinnegan on when he used PS means that for Madara EMS isn't required for him to use PS. TSB weren't useless against Gai. Gai literally couldn't get past them. For the third time Madara was playing with Gai if he was serious he would nuke Gai or kill him with Limbo after Gai completed Evening Elephant. Madara himself asked Gai if he has anymore techniques while having a big smile on his face.