Madara's Rinnegan prove he is the Greatest

[AnonymousShinobi]

Madara had the purest form of rinnegan and has feats with all the six paths so yes his is greater than Sasuke's.

Agreed. Madara has the purest form of Rinnegan. After all he does have 2 rinnegans which don't have Tomoe in them.

However, Sasuke has the stronger Rinnegan. Bold is untrue. Teen Sasuke and Madara has shown the same amount of Six Paths techniques, but regardless, this is irrelevant. Sasuke and Madara both should be able to use all of the Six paths techinques (pls don't tell me you are one of those people who believe Sasuke can't use all of them). However the difference between the two Rinnegans are obvious. Sasuke's rinnegan has done things that Madara, Nagato, and possibly even the SO6P himself couldn't do. Sasuke could place all the Bijuu into genjutsu with a glance, something even the SO6P himself

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He could make a coreless CT, which no other Rinnegan user has produced, he even used his Susanoo as a vessel using the outer path, and unlike Madara, he could use EMS Techs through his Tomoe rinnegan eye. Lastly, Sasuke could travel dimensions, which I don't even think Hagoromo could do.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Agreed. Madara has the purest form of Rinnegan. After all he does have 2 rinnegans which don't have Tomoe in them.

However, Sasuke has the stronger Rinnegan. Bold is untrue. Teen Sasuke and Madara has shown the same amount of Six Paths techniques, but regardless, this is irrelevant. Sasuke and Madara both should be able to use all of the Six paths techinques (pls don't tell me you are one of those people who believe Sasuke can't use all of them). However the difference between the two Rinnegans are obvious. Sasuke's rinnegan has done things that Madara, Nagato, and possibly even the SO6P himself couldn't do. Sasuke could place all the Bijuu into genjutsu with a glance, something even the SO6P himself

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He could make a coreless CT, which no other Rinnegan user has produced, he even used his Susanoo as a vessel using the outer path, and unlike Madara, he could use EMS Techs through his Tomoe rinnegan eye. Lastly, Sasuke could travel dimensions, which I don't even think Hagoromo could do.

Well Madara may not have shown all six paths but Pein did with the same set of eyes so I'd consider that Madara's reinnegan does have all six paths. I am not saying that Sasuke doesn't have all the six path techniques but I'll believe when he actually uses them.
About coreless CTs, I think Madara never needed to use them and thuse we didn't see them. Rinnegan Genjutus I'll agree with you cuz both Pein and Madara are featless in that section, same with travelling dimension only in case of Madara and Pein.
I believe Hago can also travel through dimensions and his rinnegan is most definitely superior to Sasuke's, the guy can travel through time and still have enough power to share with Sasuke and Naruto and then even summon the Hokages do other crazy shit.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

I don't know why sasuke fans think sasuke's rinnegan > madara's

Cause it is

- rinnesharingan automatically is above sasuke's 6 tomoe rinnegan

Irrelevant. Regardless, Sasuke's Rinnegan already counters the only feat Madara has ever used with RinneSharingan. IT.

- saying madara can't use the portal is just a biased opinion, madara did'nt have a full chapter with his rinnesharingan (atleast he was'nt fighting)

Nope. Saying Madara use the portal is nothing but fanfic, especially when nothing in manga supports it. Sasuke has already been shown doing things with his rinnegan that Madara has never done, such as: Coreless CT, using EMS with his rinnegan (something Madara already confirmed he couldn't do), using his Susanoo as the vessel for the outer path, and oneshotting 9 bijuu's with a Rinnegan Genjutsu.

- let's say madara's double rinnegan can't cast genjutsu, he has the third rinnegan which can cast genjutsu on the whole world

Irrelevant. Only requirement for IT is to fly to the moon when you have rinnegan and you can awake the RinneSharingan. Unless I am missing something, Sasuke could theortically awaken RinneSharingan and cast IT. Still this is irrelevant as we are comparing there different Rinnegans not RinneSharingans.

- catching the bijuus in an instant aint jack for someone like madara (unless y'all are biased to think madara can't replicate such a feat)

Of course Madara could replicate this feat. Shit, he already has w/ Limbo. This still doesn't change the fact that Sasuke showed a rinnegan feat that Madara can't do.

- madara has the chakra to use the rinnegans ability to their fullest potential (maybe not dimension shifting) but he can use any other rinnegan ability better than sasuke due to possesing greater reserves and rikudou senjutsu boost

Madara had all the chakra in the world (IT chakra) and he was a Juubi Jin w/ Rikudo chakra, yet he still couldn't replicate RINNEGAN feats that Sasuke could (Coreless CT), why? Because Sasuke has the stronger Rinnegan.

Y'all got to understand why kishi said madara was too strong, he was too strong because he had too many techniques and the brain to utilize said techniques like no other, madara is mad strong

I agree. Madara was a beast and he had a shit ton of Chakra. This doesn't change the fact that Sasuke has the superior Rinnegan.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Well Madara may not have shown all six paths but Pein did with the same set of eyes so I'd consider that Madara's reinnegan does have all six paths. I am not saying that Sasuke doesn't have all the six path techniques but I'll believe when he actually uses them.

This is not a fair point. Manga has specifically said on numerous occasions that those with the full power of the Rinnegan can use all of the 6 paths. Sasuke has already used, what 3 or 4 of them? Manga cannot spoon feed you every little thing. You need to use your common sense sometimes. If Sasuke can use 4/6 Six paths techs, on top of doing things that other rinnegans can't do, it should be obvious that he has the full power of the Rinnegan.

About coreless CTs, I think Madara never needed to use them and thuse we didn't see them.

Or Sasuke can do things with his Rinnegan that others can't. Read what you wrote below. Also if Madara's rinnegan is Peins Rinnegan as you say,

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would have been a perfect time to use that Coreless CT, but Pain didn't.

Rinnegan Genjutus I'll agree with you cuz both Pein and Madara are featless in that section, same with travelling dimension only in case of Madara and Pein.

Yeah, but also don't forget Sasuke using EMS through his rinnegan, a feat that Madara confirmed he couldn't do.

I believe Hago can also travel through dimensions and his rinnegan is most definitely superior to Sasuke's, the guy can travel through time and still have enough power to share with Sasuke and Naruto and then even summon the Hokages do other crazy shit.

@Bold, just because Sasuke has the better Rinnegan does not mean his is stronger than Hagoromo's. Sorry, it may seem like that contradicts each other, but keep reading. Everything you listed in bold is just because Hagoromo is that fucking strong, not necessarily because his Rinnegan is superior. What people don't understand is that Hagoromo didn't directly give Sasuke a rinnegan. He gave him the chakra to awaken it. So if we look at this mathematically it makes sense. Sasuke's rinnegan is Indra's Chakra + 50% Hagoromo's chakra, while Hago's rinnegan is just 100% Hagoromo chakra. The other 50% that Hago has over Sasuke only means that his Rinnegan can produce things at a larger scale than Sasuke's, like a moon sized CT. But that doesn't mean that his can replicate or do the same things that Sasuke's can, because Sasuke's Rinnegan is obviously different. This is also why Sasuke's would be superiors to Madara, because as SenseiSama said, Madara's rinnegan is pretty much Indra + Ashura while Sasuke is Indra + Hago (Indra/Ashura).

 

[SZiaee]

-ameno did work on madara yea, but madara figured out how it worked, seeing limbo does'nt mean he can handle them like naruto did (even then limbo destroyed narutos clones), madara figured out the range and how it works, madara can just limbo swap
- madara can use clones that use EMS, its not as sufficient yea but he still can use sharingan genjutsu
- sasuke could'nt use the portal while stuck in kaguya's dimension too + we know dual rinnegan are stronger when they are together, and using kamui eye is easier to access the dimension, coz if madara had the portal technique, he might take longer (as seen from when obito was searching for sasuke), so you can't conclude madara can't use the portals

1- Remember when Madara was fighting Guy ; he was just escaping (remember when he tried to hide in TSB) ... If Madara could travel to another dimension , he must have done that .
Or remember when he was escaping from Naruto and Sasuke ; if he could travel to kamui dimension , why did he search for kakashi ? At that time he was just waiting for black zetsu (despite having enough time and chakra to create a portal) and taking Kakashi's eye was his last key .
So I believe we can conclude that Madara's rinnegan can't create those portals and this is Sasuke's specialty .
2- Madara's EMS doesn't seem to be even close to Sasuke's level since we just see his Susanoo and no other sharingan ability .
3- The other point I missed is that Sasuke's rinnegan and EMS abilities are matched . For instance Sasuke can use Amaterasu and then use Amenotejikara to put that on many people in less than a second ... This way Sasuke can kill many kage level shinobi in no time .

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

This is not a fair point. Manga has specifically said on numerous occasions that those with the full power of the Rinnegan can use all of the 6 paths. Sasuke has already used, what 3 or 4 of them? Manga cannot spoon feed you every little thing. You need to use your common sense sometimes. If Sasuke can use 4/6 Six paths techs, on top of doing things that other rinnegans can't do, it should be obvious that he has the full power of the Rinnegan.

Well Sasuke can't do things that other Rinnegans can, you shouldn't ignore that fact either. On top of that you're forgetting one more thing, Sasuke got 12 years to perfect his Rinnegan whereas Madara was old when he got his Rinnegan and during the 4th war arc I'd consider him new to his own Rinnegan eyes. Another problem with Sasuke's rinnegan is him needing to recharge it to use it to its full potential. Madara never had any such limitations due to his being pure and perfect Rinnegans.
SenseiSama said something similar about spoon feeding stuff and in certain situations I'd agree to that but then you shouldn't ignore facts either...xd For example in the Boruto movie or Naruto Gaiden that is set after about 12 years VOTE 2 happened and there have been situations where one or the other unused paths would've been the best choice for Sasuke to use and still he never used them and this has happened on more than one occasion.

Or Sasuke can do things with his Rinnegan that others can't. Read what you wrote below. Also if Madara's rinnegan is Peins Rinnegan as you say,

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would have been a perfect time to use that Coreless CT, but Pain didn't.

Again Madara can do things Sasuke can't. Read above point. About the coreless CT you're ignoriing the fact that Nagato was controlling pein from a distance and Pein had already used a lot of power destroying the village using shinra tensei and on top it the rinnegan wasn't Nagato's to begin with. Madara's techniques were on a whole other level than Nagato's were. Pein was having difficulty maintaining one cored CT and you're expecting him to show a core less CT lol.

Yeah, but also don't forget Sasuke using EMS through his rinnegan, a feat that Madara confirmed he couldn't do.

Well Madara still had access to his PS and stuff without even his eyes a feat Sasuke never showed so lets not go there.

@Bold, just because Sasuke has the better Rinnegan does not mean his is stronger than Hagoromo's. Sorry, it may seem like that contradicts each other, but keep reading. Everything you listed in bold is just because Hagoromo is that fucking strong, not necessarily because his Rinnegan is superior. What people don't understand is that Hagoromo didn't directly give Sasuke a rinnegan. He gave him the chakra to awaken it. So if we look at this mathematically it makes sense. Sasuke's rinnegan is Indra's Chakra + 50% Hagoromo's chakra, while Hago's rinnegan is just 100% Hagoromo chakra. The other 50% that Hago has over Sasuke only means that his Rinnegan can produce things at a larger scale than Sasuke's. But that doesn't mean that his can replicate the things that Sasuke's can, because Sasuke's is obviously different. This is also why Sasuke's would be superiors to Madara, because as SenseiSama said, Madara's rinnegan is pretty much Indra + Ashura while Sasuke is Indra + Hago (Indra/Ashura). Sorry if this part is confusing.

Are you seriously saying Sasuke has better rinnegan lol. Then check again, take Indra for example, he had only MS yet he was able to use PS. None of the Uchihas have shown that feat. What was that spoon feeding stuff you're telling me again lol. Now you're the one who needs to be spoon fed. Clearly Indra being the first of the Sharingan, he had such a feat. What makes you think that Hagoromo who had the first dual Rinnegan would be inferior to Sasuke.
About the chakra quantity, you tell me which is better pure Hagoromo chakra or having part Hago chakra + some Indra chakra (which is half as powerful as Hago chakra). Again you're being ignorant of the fact that other Rinnegans can do stuff that Sasuke's can't and thus doesn't make Sasuke's better.

 

[SZiaee]

Well Sasuke can't do things that other Rinnegans can, you shouldn't ignore that fact either. On top of that you're forgetting one more thing, Sasuke got 12 years to perfect his Rinnegan whereas Madara was old when he got his Rinnegan and during the 4th war arc I'd consider him new to his own Rinnegan eyes. Another problem with Sasuke's rinnegan is him needing to recharge it to use it to its full potential. Madara never had any such limitations due to his being pure and perfect Rinnegans.
SenseiSama said something similar about spoon feeding stuff and in certain situations I'd agree to that but then you shouldn't ignore facts either...xd For example in the Boruto movie or Naruto Gaiden that is set after about 12 years VOTE 2 happened and there have been situations where one or the other unused paths would've been the best choice for Sasuke to use and still he never used them and this has happened on more than one occasion.

1- Well , as you know not using an ability doesn't mean he doesn't have that ability . For example Madara didn't use any MS techs other than Susanoo (And he had 30+++ years to perfect that) ... Is it true to say he didn't have any MS ability ?
2- Sasuke's rinnegan doesn't need recharging when using simple rinnegan techs , just for Amenotejikara and teleportation jutsus . And when it's recharging , it loses tomoes not it's shape as a rinnegan ... So your point is lost. Plus , Madara's rinnegan has limits like this (For example on how many limbos he can use)
3- Madara's limbo seems like shadow clones to Sasuke but Sasuke's Ameno made Madara escape(even in JJ mode) .

 

[King Of Pop]

you didnt even bring any valid points to show madaras rinnegan is better. what you said proves nothing

=Dondaime Hokage Naruto;20642312]Not when:
[*]Madara's eyes are the Sages eyes. Sasuke can not have eyes that are stronger than the Sage's.

only because hagoromo himself is way superior to sasuke, chakra potency and all so his rinnegan would obviously be stronger, says nothing about the rinnegan itself. and madara is not the sage btw. so basically i agree but not in the way you put it

[*]When Sasuke has not enough chakra (like in VOTE 2) he can not control properly his Rinnegan.

doesnt that apply to every doujutsu user? chakra is needed to maintain doujutsu, he was running low so obviously his rinnegan shut down.

[*]Sasuke's Rinnegan needs to be recharged whereas Madara's and Hagoromo's doesn't need to.

only when he uses jutsus (ameno, portals) that madaras rinnegan cant even use. and even then the recharge only applies to the jutsu that is a cause of it(cant use ameno or cant open portals), doesnt limit his ability to use other rinnegan techniques like the paths considering he absorbed kuramas chakra when his eye was shut down. and dont act like madara doesnt have any sort of drawbacks, his limbo can only be used for a limited amount of time before they return to madaras body and it takes some secs before he can use it again as sasuke analyzed. there is a five sec cool down for deva after shinra tensei is used judging from nagato. so none of the rinnegans are completely limitless in their use when it comes to certain jutsus, its not just sasuke.


not to mention as an adult, he could use ameno even when he was chakra drained so obviously he has better in this regard

[*]Also Sharingan can also trap Bijuu with just 2 moves... Madara controlled Kurama with his Sharingan completely against Hashi.
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but we are talking of rinnegan and madara cant use genjutsu with his rinnegan active, that feat goes only to sasuke and he trapped 9. but yeah this doesnt matter as madara also wrecked all 9 bijjus with limbo, so hes done the same.

Well Sasuke can't do things that other Rinnegans can, Again you're being ignorant of the fact that other Rinnegans can do stuff that Sasuke's can't and thus doesn't make Sasuke's better.

the only thing the other rinnegan can do that sasuke cant is limbo. thats it. Tomoed rinnegan on the other hand can use
-Amenotejikara utilized in 3 different ways(teleport himself, swap with an object, teleport an opponent)
-portals to dimensions
-Sharingan abilities like genjutsu which are amped when used with tomoed rinnegan.
in addition to the paths.
and madaras rinnegan technique like limbo does have drawback as it goes back to madara after a certain amount of time. so its not just sasuke

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

the only thing the other rinnegan can do that sasuke cant is limbo. thats it. Tomoed rinnegan on the other hand can use
-Amenotejikara utilized in 3 different ways(teleport himself, swap with an object, teleport an opponent)
-portals to dimensions
-Sharingan abilities like genjutsu which are amped when used with tomoed rinnegan.

Well Madara was new to his rinnegan as well, if he had 12 years who knows what new abilities he'd have had.

1- Well , as you know not using an ability doesn't mean he doesn't have that ability . For example Madara didn't use any MS techs other than Susanoo (And he had 30+++ years to perfect that) ... Is it true to say he didn't have any MS ability ?

He used whatever he needed to use. Sasuke on the other hand didn't use the unused six paths abilities even when there were multiple occasions where those where the best techniques to use.

2- Sasuke's rinnegan doesn't need recharging when using simple rinnegan techs , just for Amenotejikara and teleportation jutsus . And when it's recharging , it loses tomoes not it's shape as a rinnegan ... So your point is lost. Plus , Madara's rinnegan has limits like this (For example on how many limbos he can use)

Well does looking like a rinnegan matter when the eyes are unable to use actual rinnegan techniques.

3- Madara's limbo seems like shadow clones to Sasuke but Sasuke's Ameno made Madara escape(even in JJ mode) .

Well Madara wasn't fighting Sasuke alone now was he? And he didn't bother to fight Sasuke and Naruto and chose to cast IT instead.

 

[SZiaee]

Well Madara was new to his rinnegan as well, if he had 12 years who knows what new abilities he'd have had.



He used whatever he needed to use. Sasuke on the other hand didn't use the unused six paths abilities even when there were multiple occasions where those where the best techniques to use.



Well does looking like a rinnegan matter when the eyes are unable to use actual rinnegan techniques.



Well Madara wasn't fighting Sasuke alone now was he? And he didn't bother to fight Sasuke and Naruto and chose to cast IT instead.

1- Do you have a proof Madara was new to his rinnegan ? You just say he was at old age and couldn't learn techs ... He had gedo statue and had a huge amount of chakra and could use that to learn the rinnegan ... And remember when Zetsu gave him one of his rinnegans ... He said 'the true battle starts here' meaning that he wasn't new to rinnegan .
2- I agree . But Sasuke doesn't always pick the best choice . Again doesn't mean he doesn't have those paths .
3- Are you saying he can't use any rinnegan techs when his eye is recharging ? Chapter 697 page 17 : Sasuke absorbs Naruto's chakra but his rinnegan was recharging .
And I'll say it again that Madara's rinnegan needs recharging for using limbo and it's same to Sasuke's rinnegan when using Ameno .
4- We are comparing eyes not chakra ; It's totally unfair to say Madara in JJ mode but Sasuke just has his rinnegan . Remove 10 tails and Sasuke's Ameno will kill him many times .(Even in JJ mode , Sasuke could kill him 3 times in less than 5 mins ... And all Naruto did was watching )

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

1- Do you have a proof Madara was new to his rinnegan ? You just say he was at old age and couldn't learn techs ... He had gedo statue and had a huge amount of chakra and could use that to learn the rinnegan ... And remember when Zetsu gave him one of his rinnegans ... He said 'the true battle starts here' meaning that he wasn't new to rinnegan .

Lol...the gedo statue was his life support. Where do you think he could've gone in his condition to master his rinnegan. Well why wouldn't Madara make such a comment. His eyes were his main powers.

2- I agree . But Sasuke doesn't always pick the best choice . Again doesn't mean he doesn't have those paths .

Well if it were once I'd have agreed, but its not mate.

3- Are you saying he can't use any rinnegan techs when his eye is recharging ? Chapter 697 page 17 : Sasuke absorbs Naruto's chakra but his rinnegan was recharging .
And I'll say it again that Madara's rinnegan needs recharging for using limbo and it's same to Sasuke's rinnegan when using Ameno .

Its not recharging, limbo clones have a duration after which they return back to Madara's body, once they're back he can use it again immediately unlike Sasuke who has to wait for his full eye power to return.

4- We are comparing eyes not chakra ; It's totally unfair to say Madara in JJ mode but Sasuke just has his rinnegan . Remove 10 tails and Sasuke's Ameno will kill him many times .(Even in JJ mode , Sasuke could kill him 3 times in less than 5 mins ... And all Naruto did was watching )

You're overestimating Sasuke's ameno. Even Momo was able to punch Sasuke in the face when he used ameno. Sasuke was able to attack Madara with ameno because Madara wasn't concerned with Sasuke and was aiming to get his other eye.
As for Naruto watching Sasuke blitzing Madara, lol your fanboyism is quite apparent, go read the manga again before making such stupid comments. Naruto was taking care of one of Madara's limbo clones as his technique was more suited to deal with the clone. So if you're going to argue with a fanboy attitude then I am done with you.

 

[Edogawa]

The Rinnegan that Madara & Hagoromo possess is the original and purest form of Rinnegan. Sasuke's Rinnegan is stated to be only one-eyed Rinnegan in the official translation.

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If it's one-eyed Rinnegan, we can assume its capabilities are like Obito's Rinnegan, with minor difference being it has teleportation. Sasuke's supporters stating that Sasuke's Rinnegan controlling Biju's is a greater feat need to revise the manga. Obito was shown to have manipulated the Biju's in the same manner as Sasuke.

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The other claim Sasuke's supporters make is his core-less Chibaku Tensei. It's not something unique him. Databook IV lists Nagato as user of that too. It's not an ability unique to his Rinnegan. Any Rinnegan user can create a core-less Chibaku Tensei, as supporter by the databook IV.

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''Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei

It has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a Kekkei Genkai, sealing technique.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much Chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic satellite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the Kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.''

The idea of Sasuke's Rinnegan being more powerful than the pure Rinnegan is pitiful. Combining the Sharingan & Rinnegan power is something Obito could also do, which does not apply to Sasuke only.

Madara's & Hagoromo's Rinnegan > Sasuke's one-eyed Rinnegan.​

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

The Rinnegan that Madara & Hagoromo possess is the original and purest form of Rinnegan. Sasuke's Rinnegan is stated to be only one-eyed Rinnegan in the official translation.

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If it's one-eyed Rinnegan, we can assume its capabilities are like Obito's Rinnegan, with minor difference being it has teleportation. Sasuke's supporters stating that Sasuke's Rinnegan controlling Biju's is a greater feat need to revise the manga. Obito was shown to have manipulated the Biju's in the same manner as Sasuke.

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The other claim Sasuke's supporters make is his core-less Chibaku Tensei. It's not something unique him. Databook IV lists Nagato as user of that too. It's not an ability unique to his Rinnegan. Any Rinnegan user can create a core-less Chibaku Tensei, as supporter by the databook IV.

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''Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei

It has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a Kekkei Genkai, sealing technique.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much Chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic satellite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the Kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.''

The idea of Sasuke's Rinnegan being more powerful than the pure Rinnegan is pitiful. Combining the Sharingan & Rinnegan power is something Obito could also do, which does not apply to Sasuke only.

Madara's & Hagoromo's Rinnegan > Sasuke's one-eyed Rinnegan.​

Good post. +rep.
Now be ready to take on the fanboys. Or simply ignore them..

 

[SZiaee]

Lol...the gedo statue was his life support. Where do you think he could've gone in his condition to master his rinnegan. Well why wouldn't Madara make such a comment. His eyes were his main powers.



Well if it were once I'd have agreed, but its not mate.



Its not recharging, limbo clones have a duration after which they return back to Madara's body, once they're back he can use it again immediately unlike Sasuke who has to wait for his full eye power to return.



You're overestimating Sasuke's ameno. Even Momo was able to punch Sasuke in the face when he used ameno. Sasuke was able to attack Madara with ameno because Madara wasn't concerned with Sasuke and was aiming to get his other eye.
As for Naruto watching Sasuke blitzing Madara, lol your fanboyism is quite apparent, go read the manga again before making such stupid comments. Naruto was taking care of one of Madara's limbo clones as his technique was more suited to deal with the clone. So if you're going to argue with a fanboy attitude then I am done with you.

1- Madara even named his jutsu (Limbo : border jail) and knew that his limbos exist in the world of Limbo ... Meaning that he used limbo at least for one time . Meaning he was not new to rinnegan . (But look at Sasuke when he first discovered his Ameno , He didn't know what kind of power it was and didn't know it's range and it's duration but Madara seemed perfect with his rinnegan)
2- Ok ; let's say it's not recharging ... There's a time Madara can't use his Limbo right ? And there's a time Sasuke can't use his Ameno but both Madara and Sasuke can use other rinnegan based techniques ..... I'm just saying both their rinnegan have weakness . But even when Madara is using his eyes at full power , do you think he can punch Sasuke ? (I know he can do so in JJ mode , but we are comparing eyes not chakra ...Answer me with a theory please : CAN MADARA BEAT SASUKE JUST USING HIS EYES ???? )
3- I agree Sasuke's Ameno isn't that powerful to silently kill Madara many times , but it can at least create an opening (like how in Boruto movie it created the time for Boruto to start his attack ) ... You should agree Sasuke's Ameno is more useful than Madara's Limbo (in Sasuke vs Madara battle)
4- I agree that Naruto was playing an important role in that battle .... But JJ Madara must be matched with rikudo chakra and rinnegan which are Naruto and Sasuke .... Remove jubi and Sasuke alone can match Madara (Theory : Sasuke uses Amaterasu in Susanoo's hand and moves Madara in that Amaterasu (using Ameno) and holds him until he dies )
What I meant by "watching" is that Naruto could use clones to hold limbo but he didn't . And I'm sorry of using this word .

 

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The Rinnegan that Madara & Hagoromo possess is the original and purest form of Rinnegan. Sasuke's Rinnegan is stated to be only one-eyed Rinnegan in the official translation.

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If it's one-eyed Rinnegan, we can assume its capabilities are like Obito's Rinnegan, with minor difference being it has teleportation. Sasuke's supporters stating that Sasuke's Rinnegan controlling Biju's is a greater feat need to revise the manga. Obito was shown to have manipulated the Biju's in the same manner as Sasuke.

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The other claim Sasuke's supporters make is his core-less Chibaku Tensei. It's not something unique him. Databook IV lists Nagato as user of that too. It's not an ability unique to his Rinnegan. Any Rinnegan user can create a core-less Chibaku Tensei, as supporter by the databook IV.

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''Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei

It has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a Kekkei Genkai, sealing technique.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much Chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic satellite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the Kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.''

The idea of Sasuke's Rinnegan being more powerful than the pure Rinnegan is pitiful. Combining the Sharingan & Rinnegan power is something Obito could also do, which does not apply to Sasuke only.

Madara's & Hagoromo's Rinnegan > Sasuke's one-eyed Rinnegan.​

I agree that Sasuke's Rinnegan is not more powerful than the double Rinnegan but I disagree with the notion that Double Rinnegan is stronger than Sasuke's Single Rinnegan.

At best they are equal in power and capability(for what we know about Rinnegan minus genjutsu and S/T). What set them apart is the user chakra prowess.

If Madara holds more power than Sasuke, he can overpower Sasuke but for the win it depends on battle strategy.

I doubt Rinn Tensei Double Rinnegan Madara is far stronger than Current Sasuke.

 

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The Rinnegan that Madara & Hagoromo possess is the original and purest form of Rinnegan. Sasuke's Rinnegan is stated to be only one-eyed Rinnegan in the official translation.
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there is no such thing as purest form of rinnegan. if anything sasukes is more advanced considering he can use more abilities through it unlike madara.

its was called a one eyed rinnegan because it was unlocked in one eye, duh. says nothing about its power.

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If it's one-eyed Rinnegan, we can assume its capabilities are like Obito's Rinnegan, with minor difference being it has teleportation. Sasuke's supporters stating that Sasuke's Rinnegan controlling Biju's is a greater feat need to revise the manga. Obito was shown to have manipulated the Biju's in the same manner as Sasuke.

no its nothing like the normal one rinnegan obito wielded because he used CT which is the full power of nagato who is a dual rinnegan user, a jutsu that madara only used when he acquired his second rinnegan and something obito never used. so it being one rinnegan is irrelevant when it has shown to display the power of two, untop of additional abilities that not even a dual rinnegan user can use.

obito controlled the bijjus via other means through chakra rods, basically outer path, thats not what sasuke did in which used genjutsu. the reason the bijju had sharingan was because they were connected to obito via his chakra using chakra rods, so they took on his eyes in the same manner as nagatos 6 pein bodies taking on the eyes of nagato. when son goku was explaining to naruto about what to do to free the bijjus, he said he should take out the stakes that produces the chains that bind them

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. he made no mention of any sort of genjutsu so drop that fanfic. obitos sharingan wasnt involved in their manipulation which is the point i think you are trying to make.

The other claim Sasuke's supporters make is his core-less Chibaku Tensei. It's not something unique him. Databook IV lists Nagato as user of that too. It's not an ability unique to his Rinnegan. Any Rinnegan user can create a core-less Chibaku Tensei, as supporter by the databook IV.

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''Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei

It has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a Kekkei Genkai, sealing technique.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much Chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic satellite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the Kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.''

Nagato was listed because he is a CT user as the bold indicates and we have seen how he creates his CTs and thats through black cores, simple as that. nowhere did it say all rinnegan users can use targets as the core, that description was based on six paths CT and sasuke is the only one shown to replicate that. otherwise we would be saying naruto is capable of using CT too simply because he was listed.

or lets also grant sasuke limbo since the description said "a person who possesses the rinnegan"

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Wheel Grave: Border Jail (輪墓・辺獄, Rinbo: Hengoku)

Heading: Perceiving this phantom is impossible, the enemies unpreparedness invites disaster.

→ The Rinnegan can shape one shadow.

↑ With a complete set of two Rinnegan it can shape 4.

A person who posses the Rinnegan can intervene in an adjacent world, an extremely distance world. In that space a shadow is produced, which everyone who is connected with the current world can't feel. Not only will the technique user gain a duplicate of himself with equal ability, but it will also be invisible. Squaring of against a user, counter attack is impossible, going up against this ability will result in one losing against such a powerful enemy.

→ When fighting the enemy in close combat the shadow will stay away. But after a time the shadow will return.

but am sure you would disagree

The idea of Sasuke's Rinnegan being more powerful than the pure Rinnegan is pitiful. Combining the Sharingan & Rinnegan power is something Obito could also do, which does not apply to Sasuke only.

there is no such thing as pure rinnegan, you pulled that from your ass. bold, already explained what obito did. obito had sharingan eye so of course he would be able to use it as well, he never combined it with his rinnegan, he simply used it separately since he still had it. its not the same if both the users eyes were rinnegan which is the case of madara.

Madara's & Hagoromo's Rinnegan > Sasuke's one-eyed Rinnegan.

yet tomoed rinnegan can do all what theirs can except limbo.

 

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Madara Rinegan = Indra + Ashura

Sasuke Rinnegan = Indra + Hagoromo


Oh, and Madara's eyes can't use Kaguya's S/t nor can they use Sharingan jutsu. And Limbo isn't as OP as you think since he can see them and use chakra rods to bind them.

tbh Madara has the third eyes with 9t + rinnegan, but he didnt have chance to use it but IT only :lol

 

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The Rinnegan that Madara & Hagoromo possess is the original and purest form of Rinnegan. Sasuke's Rinnegan is stated to be only one-eyed Rinnegan in the official translation.

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If it's one-eyed Rinnegan, we can assume its capabilities are like Obito's Rinnegan, with minor difference being it has teleportation. Sasuke's supporters stating that Sasuke's Rinnegan controlling Biju's is a greater feat need to revise the manga. Obito was shown to have manipulated the Biju's in the same manner as Sasuke.

Just because its from VIZ does mean it's official. I read the page in Japanese (assuming you're talking about when Madara is floating above both Naruto and Sasuke) and Madara only says Rinnegan; nothing about being one-eyed.

 

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I agree that Sasuke's Rinnegan is not more powerful than the double Rinnegan but I disagree with the notion that Double Rinnegan is stronger than Sasuke's Single Rinnegan.

You can disagree if you desire to, but the manga stated that for the Rinnegan's full power to be activated, one must possess the two eyes, implying that two Rinnegan are stronger than one.

there is no such thing as purest form of rinnegan. if anything sasukes is more advanced considering he can use more abilities through it unlike madara.

its was called a one eyed rinnegan because it was unlocked in one eye, duh. says nothing about its power.

It's a process of devolution. Rinnegan started with Rinne-Sharingan, then devolved to Rinnegan then devolved to Sharingan. The shape Madara has is the purest because it's not intact with Sharingan.

no its nothing like the normal one rinnegan obito wielded because he used CT which is the full power of nagato who is a dual rinnegan user, a jutsu that madara only used when he acquired his second rinnegan and something obito never used. so it being one rinnegan is irrelevant when it has shown to display the power of two, untop of additional abilities that not even a dual rinnegan user can use.

Fallacy: Argument from silence (argumentum ex silentio) – where the conclusion is based on the absence of evidence, rather than the existence of evidence.

Your claim that because the scenario didn't show, then it's impossible to exist. For one, Obito said that implanting one Rinnegan nearly killed him, so he's an invalid example.

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For two, Madara stated he could use Chibaku Tensei with one Rinnegan.

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obito controlled the bijjus via other means through chakra rods, basically outer path, thats not what sasuke did in which used genjutsu. the reason the bijju had sharingan was because they were connected to obito via his chakra using chakra rods, so they took on his eyes in the same manner as nagatos 6 pein bodies taking on the eyes of nagato. when son goku was explaining to naruto about what to do to free the bijjus, he said he should take out the stakes that produces the chains that bind them [x]. he made no mention of any sort of genjutsu so drop that fanfic. obitos sharingan wasnt involved in their manipulation which is the point i think you are trying to make.

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If the Sharingan wasn't involved in the manipulation, then the Biju wouldn't have tried to attack Tobi.

Nagato was listed because he is a CT user as the bold indicates and we have seen how he creates his CTs and thats through black cores, simple as that. nowhere did it say all rinnegan users can use targets as the core, that description was based on six paths CT and sasuke is the only one shown to replicate that. otherwise we would be saying naruto is capable of using CT too simply because he was listed.

Sasuke's CT is a regular Chibaku Tensei; Nagato was listed as user, so Nagato and Madara can replicate that feat. Databook is an official document, so its words are factual. Anything you try to deny will be ignored.

there is no such thing as pure rinnegan, you pulled that from your ass. bold, already explained what obito did. obito had sharingan eye so of course he would be able to use it as well, he never combined it with his rinnegan, he simply used it separately since he still had it. its not the same if both the users eyes were rinnegan which is the case of madara.

Just by looking at your grammar, I can safely assume you're not bright at basic biology either. I think I have addressed that above, and I won't repeat it afterwards.

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] He used Outer Path (Rinnegan) and Biju control (Sharingan), suggesting he combined the power of his Doujutsu like current Sasuke.

Just because its from VIZ does mean it's official. I read the page in Japanese (assuming you're talking about when Madara is floating above both Naruto and Sasuke) and Madara only says Rinnegan; nothing about being one-eyed.

VIZ is a company that directly works with the author, meaning they also receive translations from Japan to translate them in English. It's not the same as fan-made MangaPanda or ***********, or some guy on forum claiming he could read Japanese. That's why they are official.

And if you have seen the Japanese, bring me a picture, translation of it and academic source of where that translation came from.​

 

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You can disagree if you desire to, but the manga stated that for the Rinnegan's full power to be activated, one must possess the two eyes, implying that two Rinnegan are stronger than one.



It's a process of devolution. Rinnegan started with Rinne-Sharingan, then devolved to Rinnegan then devolved to Sharingan. The shape Madara has is the purest because it's not intact with Sharingan.



Fallacy: Argument from silence (argumentum ex silentio) – where the conclusion is based on the absence of evidence, rather than the existence of evidence.

Your claim that because the scenario didn't show, then it's impossible to exist. For one, Obito said that implanting one Rinnegan nearly killed him, so he's an invalid example.

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For two, Madara stated he could use Chibaku Tensei with one Rinnegan.

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If the Sharingan wasn't involved in the manipulation, then the Biju wouldn't have tried to attack Tobi.



Sasuke's CT is a regular Chibaku Tensei; Nagato was listed as user, so Nagato and Madara can replicate that feat. Databook is an official document, so its words are factual. Anything you try to deny will be ignored.



Just by looking at your grammar, I can safely assume you're not bright at basic biology either. I think I have addressed that above, and I won't repeat it afterwards.

Bold: [

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] He used Outer Path (Rinnegan) and Biju control (Sharingan), suggesting he combined the power of his Doujutsu like current Sasuke.



VIZ is a company that directly works with the author, meaning they also receive translations from Japan to translate them in English. It's not the same as fan-made MangaPanda or ***********, or some guy on forum claiming he could read Japanese. That's why they are official.

And if you have seen the Japanese, bring me a picture, translation of it and academic source of where that translation came from.​

First you need to know what is a definition of "full power" where I think you never had any idea about it bcus you followed/took manga words too literal.

What Double Rinnegan have that Sasuke's Rinnegan lack?

Full power here mean full potential and not about eyes strength.

Example: One Rinnegan gave Madara one Limbo where Double Rinnegan gave him 4 Limbos. But there still a need of confirmation on what gave Madara three more Limbos and not one. Juubi power or the other Rinnegan.

Before I going further I want to see your answer to my question first.