Negging Prime Hiruzen in one thread

[Darth AniCetuS]

Prime Hiruzen is strongest shinobi of history!

He's history and not the strongest either.

 

[Uchiha seeker]

Thought he just had a mastery of many jutsu which made him a skiller...

 

[Dr Wolverine]

Kishimoto said in DataBook that he is the strongest of the Hokage , being stronger than Hashirama . If it is stronger than Hashirama , he is the strongest Shinobi World

 

[startup97]

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Fourth Databook proof!!!

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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama in the Nature Elements. All five nature alterations, Hiden (clan techniques), Genjutsu, all Ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. Hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member

5 Elements - Not even his full power???

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Since Hiruzen was revived at old age, his chakra and power should be as low as before but wait... Tobirama states that the Hokage have been revived "close to original power" this means Hiruzen was revived weaker then he was alive at old age yet he was able to produce the 5 Elements at such mastery. Just imagine his Prime.

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Hiruzen knows and could perform all non KKG Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals =

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Broken Ninjutsu versatility

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Hidden Leaf Tech

Neutalizer technique, Bringer of Darkness, Great Clone Explosion and all 8 Gates at will.
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough


Hiruzen (Sarutobi Clan)
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Izunaka Clan
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades

Uzumaki Clan

Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Five Elements Unseal

OP Summoning Monkey King Enma

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The Third hokage's comrade in arms, the monkey king enma's transformation jutsu Characterized by the hardness of diamond and its at-will extensibility, Kongou Nyoi-Bou is Sandaime's"weapon of choice", so to speak and with it in hand he's made it through a world of war for an extended period of time.

Also, when Enma is transformed into Diamond Shifting Staff, it is also possible that he can attack out of his own free will, his claws and fangs add an element of surprise and irregularity. Forged in the fire of battle, its at-will transformation-based attack and defense go beyond the scope of proficiency, to attain the realm of Shinobi "godhood".

-The main method of attack consists in strikes and thrusts that take advantage of its extensibility. The hardness of diamond translates into destructive power.

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自在に変幻する堅固なる獄！！
A solid prison that changes shape at will!!

Paragraphs:
金剛如意に変化した猿魔が、さらに�� �身して数十本の如意棒に姿を変え、� ��の四方八方を格子状に取り囲んで捕 縛する術。
After transforming himself into an adamantium staff, Enma clones himself in staff form then boxes the enemy into a lattice.

金剛の堅さを持つ牢壁は決して破る�� �と能わず、捕えられた敵は座して敗� ��の屈辱を知るのみ。
The prison wall with the toughness of adamantium cannot possibly be broken, and the captured enemy is left with nothing but the humility of defeat.

Durability Feats - Super Kage Bunshin???

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Hiruzen has shown to have excellent durability feats at age 69 with his Kage Bunshin as one of his clones was stabbed by Hashirama with 4 Kunai in the chest yet did not disperse until Hiruzen was done with it. He was also able to hold Orochimaru's soul for an hour long despite being stabbed through the chest by the Sword of Kusangi.

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Dangerous CQC

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Even past his Prime, Hiruzen had showed excellent Close Quarter Combat skills. Moments after sealing parts of his soul away to seal the Edo Hokage and exhausting his remaining Chakra on Kage Bunshin, he was still able to easily disarm Orochimaru from his Sword of Kusangi with great ease and catch him to prepare his sealing Jutsu. He was also able to easily break through the Shinju branches and save Naruto despite Tobirama and Minato unable to get through.

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Further Hype and Testimonials

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Orochimaru admitting that he would be killed by a 59 year old Hiruzen.

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Danzo in his dying moments admitting inferiority despite possessing Izanagi, Kotoamatsukami and Hashirama's DNA.

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Kabuto, a spy who has spied on and knows all about the Shinobi countries states that an old Hiruzen was stronger then all the 5 Kage at the time. Just imagine his Prime.

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Even with the entire SA and 5 Kage, Shikamaru states that only Hiruzen could contend with Guruguru at the time.

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Considers himself to be the strongest in his group which also included Tobirama. Confident enough to take on the entire Kinkaku and survive.

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Extra Databook Hype

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"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure

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[MickNerks]

SMH Nothing you mentioned discredited Prime Hiruzen. I will have fun picking this apart.

If "Prime Hiruzen" was real, and was the strongest Shinobi. Then why did everyone in his Squad state that Prime Hiruzen couldn't take the Kumogakure Hunter Nin, even if they all(Including Tobirama) teamed up?

Please understand that that was not Hiruzen in his prime, That was a Hiruzen between the age of 16-20.

Teen Hiruzen (16-20)

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Prime Hiruzen (30-45)

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Old Hiruzen

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So no, prime hiruzen was not present to fight the 20 elite ninja. Also, this should be common sense because Hiruzen couldnt have mastered all the jutsu in the Leaf Village until he became hokage, becasue only then would the entire village trust him enough to share their techniques.

If "Prime Hiruzen" was so strong why didn't he kill all 20 of the Kumogakure Hunter Nin like Obito did when he was a kid?

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Once again that was not Hiruzen in his Prime!!!

Also Danzo stated to Tobirama that "There is no one greater than you in the Village"

So Hiruzen wasn't the strongest of his time, Tobirama Senju was.

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During that time it is possible that Tobirama was still stronger, but it could also be very unlikely when you look at the fact that Hiruzen made a similar statement saying how he was the

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of all the people there. Its also possible Danzo was saying that Tobirama, as hokage, was at the top of the village and therefore was the greatest asset the village had so he shouldnt sacrifice himself.

If Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage why didn't he Resist/break the Edo Tensei like Hashirama and Tobirama did?

And Hiruzen not being at full power isn't an excuse because they were all at 70% of their maximum power.

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Where as Hiruzen was Fodderized by Oro for the second time.

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Please undersatnd that every Hokage was brough back in his prime EXCEPT hiruzen. And we already know from Hiruzen's fight from Orochimaru that he was weakened from OLD AGE:

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Hiruzen came back weaker than he was in his prime, so there is no way you can judge him on his inability to resist orochimaru, especially when we both know

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. If we were to scale how the hokage came back relative to their prime it would look like (worst case):

Hashirama - 90%
Tobirama - 90%
Hiruzen - 65%
Minato - 110% (Came back a Jinchuriki).

SO NO. Prime Hiruzen's status was never challenged in the Manga. If anything it was Expanded on and Proven.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

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SMH Nothing you mentioned discredited Prime Hiruzen. I will have fun picking this apart.


Please understand that that was not Hiruzen in his prime, That was a Hiruzen between the age of 16-20.

Teen Hiruzen (16-20)

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Prime Hiruzen (30-45)

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Old Hiruzen

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So no, prime hiruzen was not present to fight the 20 elite ninja. Also, this should be common sense because Hiruzen couldnt have mastered all the jutsu in the Leaf Village until he became hokage, becasue only then would the entire village trust him enough to share their techniques.



Once again that was not Hiruzen in his Prime!!!




During that time it is possible that Tobirama was still stronger, but it could also be very unlikely when you look at the fact that Hiruzen made a similar statement saying how he was the

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of all the people there. Its also possible Danzo was saying that Tobirama, as hokage, was at the top of the village and therefore was the greatest asset the village had so he shouldnt sacrifice himself.




Please undersatnd that every Hokage was brough back in his prime EXCEPT hiruzen. And we already know from Hiruzen's fight from Orochimaru that he was weakened from OLD AGE:

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Hiruzen came back weaker than he was in his prime, so there is no way you can judge him on his inability to resist orochimaru, especially when we both know

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. If we were to scale how the hokage came back relative to their prime it would look like (worst case):

Hashirama - 90%
Tobirama - 90%
Hiruzen - 65%
Minato - 110% (Came back a Jinchuriki).

SO NO. Prime Hiruzen's status was never challenged in the Manga. If anything it was Expanded on and Proven.

nice SOLO

 

[Itachi The L Giver]

SMH Nothing you mentioned discredited Prime Hiruzen. I will have fun picking this apart.


Please understand that that was not Hiruzen in his prime, That was a Hiruzen between the age of 16-20.

Teen Hiruzen (16-20)

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Prime Hiruzen (30-45)

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Old Hiruzen

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So no, prime hiruzen was not present to fight the 20 elite ninja. Also, this should be common sense because Hiruzen couldnt have mastered all the jutsu in the Leaf Village until he became hokage, becasue only then would the entire village trust him enough to share their techniques.



Once again that was not Hiruzen in his Prime!!!




During that time it is possible that Tobirama was still stronger, but it could also be very unlikely when you look at the fact that Hiruzen made a similar statement saying how he was the

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of all the people there. Its also possible Danzo was saying that Tobirama, as hokage, was at the top of the village and therefore was the greatest asset the village had so he shouldnt sacrifice himself.




Please undersatnd that every Hokage was brough back in his prime EXCEPT hiruzen. And we already know from Hiruzen's fight from Orochimaru that he was weakened from OLD AGE:

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Hiruzen came back weaker than he was in his prime, so there is no way you can judge him on his inability to resist orochimaru, especially when we both know

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. If we were to scale how the hokage came back relative to their prime it would look like (worst case):

Hashirama - 90%
Tobirama - 90%
Hiruzen - 65%
Minato - 110% (Came back a Jinchuriki).

SO NO. Prime Hiruzen's status was never challenged in the Manga. If anything it was Expanded on and Proven.

OP tried it tho.

 

[Guntah]

Prime Hiruzen>>>Itachi