Naruto and Sasuke's Powerups Logically

[Umari Senju]

Most of what you posted is pretty good. The only part (and this is not to say you are wrong) is Sasuke's Rinnegan.

While true he got Hashi's cells near death, Hashi was no longer the Ashura Transmigrate. Naruto was. So his cells wouldn't awaken his Rinnegan as they did for Madara since they were both still alive and transmigrates at the time.

On that note, however, there was the fact that Hagoromo did mention that Madara's survival did create create a problem in how the transmigration process normally works so therefore it might have been possible for Sauce to get his Rinnegan via Hashi cells.

My best guess is that if Hago hadn't appeared Sauce would have awakened with the double Rinnegan due to Hashi's cell. But got the Rinnesharingan (the more powerful version of the Rinnegan) due to Hago's chakra.

Everything else you stated is pretty damn good to be honest.

 

[Holy God]

The Sage gave them the seals which had in store their new powers. It was a gift from the sage. The only hing Obito and Kabuto did was made sure that they could come back because the Sage wasn't responsible for that.

Then what would be the point in Obito collecting the rest of the Tailed Beasts' chakra? He only needed Kurama's, which he already had, in order for Naruto to survive.

 

[Holy God]

Most of what you posted is pretty good. The only part (and this is not to say you are wrong) is Sasuke's Rinnegan.

While true he got Hashi's cells near death, Hashi was no longer the Ashura Transmigrate. Naruto was. So his cells wouldn't awaken his Rinnegan as they did for Madara since they were both still alive and transmigrates at the time.

Hagoromo implies that Hashirama still carried Ashura's chakra after death.

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[Rohan]

It's possible that Hashirama still retained some of Ashura's chakra when revived as an Edo seeing as he clearly died before Naruto was born, meaning he died as a transmigrant.

Take a look at this manga panel :-

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It is proof that Hashirama retained Ashura's chakra.

 

[TheSages456]

The seals were amplifying the chakra Hagoromo gave them, Rinnegan and RSM weren't a result of the seals but a result of Obito and Kabuto's actions.

Naruto and Sasuke both received the same Sage chakra but Naruto got RSM due to having the chakra of 9 bijuu while Sasuke got Rinnegan because his eyes were powered by Indra's chakra

The only thing the seals did was amplify Sasuke's Yin and Naruto's Yang, but in their prime they should be capable of the same feats the seals gave them at the time.

The chakra is clearly coming from the seals as shown by Kaguya's Byakugan, so nope. No idea whatsoever where you're getting this nonsense from.

Naruto couldn't use the Biju's powers before meeting Hagoromo, but he could after meeting Hagoromo. Naruto's Six Paths Sage mode comes from the Biju, nothing else.
Hagoromo directly gave Sasuke the Rinnegan's power in one of his eyes.

 

[123fire]

It actually makes a lot of sense. The only thing is Sasuke and his Rinnegan. Uchiha+Senju dna doesn't equal Rinnegan. You need Ashura and Indra's or Hago's specifically according to Hago himself. It's possible that Hashirama still retained some of Ashura's chakra when revived as an Edo seeing as he clearly died before Naruto was born, meaning he died as a transmigrant.

Mix that stale Ashura chakra with some of Sasuke's fresh Indra chakra, and Rinnegan does make perfect sense.

Not bad dude I'm impressed with your manga interpretation skills



Then again there's this^

Thank you

The seals were amplifying the chakra Hagoromo gave them, Rinnegan and RSM weren't a result of the seals but a result of Obito and Kabuto's actions.

Naruto and Sasuke both received the same Sage chakra but Naruto got RSM due to having the chakra of 9 bijuu while Sasuke got Rinnegan because his eyes were powered by Indra's chakra

The only thing the seals did was amplify Sasuke's Yin and Naruto's Yang, but in their prime they should be capable of the same feats the seals gave them at the time.

First time i agree with you 100%

It's Ashura's chakra + Indra's chakra = Rinnegan

Senju's DNA doesn't necessarily have to be involved.

The Sage gave them the seals which had in store their new powers. It was a gift from the sage. The only hing Obito and Kabuto did was made sure that they could come back because the Sage wasn't responsible for that.

Yeah lets say Obito didn't give naruto the 8 and 1 tails do u think he can still unlock this mode? Nope

Most of what you posted is pretty good. The only part (and this is not to say you are wrong) is Sasuke's Rinnegan.

While true he got Hashi's cells near death, Hashi was no longer the Ashura Transmigrate. Naruto was. So his cells wouldn't awaken his Rinnegan as they did for Madara since they were both still alive and transmigrates at the time.

On that note, however, there was the fact that Hagoromo did mention that Madara's survival did create create a problem in how the transmigration process normally works so therefore it might have been possible for Sauce to get his Rinnegan via Hashi cells.

My best guess is that if Hago hadn't appeared Sauce would have awakened with the double Rinnegan due to Hashi's cell. But got the Rinnesharingan (the more powerful version of the Rinnegan) due to Hago's chakra.

Everything else you stated is pretty damn good to be honest.

Thank you

 

[123fire]

The chakra is clearly coming from the seals as shown by Kaguya's Byakugan, so nope. No idea whatsoever where you're getting this nonsense from.

Naruto couldn't use the Biju's powers before meeting Hagoromo, but he could after meeting Hagoromo. Naruto's Six Paths Sage mode comes from the Biju, nothing else.
Hagoromo directly gave Sasuke the Rinnegan's power in one of his eyes.

Then what was the point of Obito giving Naruto the 8 and 1 tails?

 

[TheSages456]

Then what was the point of Obito giving Naruto the 8 and 1 tails?

Obito gave Naruto the chakra of Shukaku & Gyuuki so Naruto could have the chakra of every Biju.
When Naruto meets Hagoromo, the Biju finally manifest in full physical form and Naruto can actually use their powers unlike before.

 

[Troyg39]

Take a look at this manga panel :-

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It is proof that Hashirama retained Ashura's chakra.

Ahh see and there we have the missing link. Good post and good eye dude. I wonder how much Hashirama really knew and if this had anything to do with his intentions all along when he gifted Sasuke with his chakra

 

[123fire]

Obito gave Naruto the chakra of Shukaku & Gyuuki so Naruto could have the chakra of every Biju.
When Naruto meets Hagoromo, the Biju finally manifest in full physical form and Naruto can actually use their powers unlike before.

Yeah obito played a role in Naruto RSM

 

[SenseiSama]

It's Ashura's chakra + Indra's chakra = Rinnegan

Senju's DNA doesn't necessarily have to be involved.

The Sage gave them the seals which had in store their new powers. It was a gift from the sage. The only hing Obito and Kabuto did was made sure that they could come back because the Sage wasn't responsible for that.

Indra + Ashura = Hagoromos chakra but having Hagoromo's chakra doesn't automatically grant Rinnegan


Rinnegan is a result of having Indra's eyes + Hagoromo's chakra, Naruto didn't awaken dojutsu despite having the Sage's chakra because he didn't have Sasuke's Sharingan.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

this entire thread is a piece of shit