I didn't say canonical, either the universe has it or it doesn't.
Are you maintaining that there is some sort of Naruto multiverse? Otherwise your addition to my statement is nonsense, and you don't read pictures... you see them.
But mostly, you are the person that you argue against that someone who has a mental narrative that doesn't suit all the facts or allow for your interpretation to be in line with what the author was trying to communicate as the ways he can communicate are limited. And the story does not envelope the whole of the narutoverse but that it tells a specific story but eludes to things that happened off frame such as the battle between the Sannin in Hanzo. You know it happened but you have no idea how it went down. Knowing abilities that a character didn't get to showcase allows you to surmise how the battle might've played out. But if you're a hard liner who believes solely that which is limited to the pages of the manga then you are limiting what you can know.
Also your point about the Naruto databooks, needing to be included to show artistic intent is ridiculous as you are supposed to pay for the manga like you pay for the comics. It's why manga sites gets taken down, so a compendium of information that supplements the manga that you must pay additional to read is in line with having to pay to read the manga. All of which you seem oblivious too.
Furthermore, earlier you stated that I would have to teach you how to do linguistics to make my point. You wouldn't ask the dictionary to tell you how you derived it's definitions. You stop being lazy, pick up some books and figure out how to do the work.
You, I'm willing to bet, have freeloaded the manga and believe that only the things in which you were able to read for free are actual because your cheapness otherwise puts you at a disadvantage towards knowing Naruto facts.
But to reiterate. The databook is canon. By definition. By Etymology. By semantics. By lexicology. You cannot logically deny it is canon because you have made up some definition of canon and you continue to shout that your definition is the true definition of canon when linguists, that is professionals of language, disagree with your definition and in no way imply your definition.
The reason it so tiresome debating you is not because you are right, or because you make good points. It's that you relentlessly are wrong and seek to ignore facts that disagree with you and create faux facts to support your argument.
The fact that J.K. Rowling for instance states that Dumbledore is Gay and it is understood to be so, is because the artist has those artistic liberties to stipulate what is and is not. For the same reason, the Naruto manga ended, yet the Boruto manga takes place in the same exact universe despite being a different text all together.
But I'm getting side tracked, at best I'd call your argument style is at best argumentum ad nauseum.
In any logical exchange or debate, at the end you can look back and say that "I established this point." You can then divide the logic showing what premises your overall argument is based on. Those premises must be sound. The soundness of the premises must be testable. Which may involve further argumentation. But to give an example.
If I argue that we have blow torches as hot as the sun, if that is my conclusion.
Then my two premises would be the sun is x number of degrees. The blow torch reaches x number of degrees. Therefore the blowtorch is as hot as the sun.
To which I may argue with either of your premises, because if they aren't valid and sound neither is your conclusion.
To justify your original premise you would use the argument that given the suns distance we have to account for z amount of heat loss in the vaccuum of space. We experience n amount of heat on the planet. Therefore the sun is x amount of degrees.
If i called into question the amount of heat loss due to the energy traveling through the vaccuum of space then you'd set up an argument to support that this is true.
This is the structure of logical argumentation. Not a recitation of the same erroneous idea until you're opponent gives up because you have more stamina and they see no reason to continue wasting effort.
Pointing out your logical inconsistencies is of no benefit though because you choose not to recognize them and you want your opponent to simply accept what you say. You do not provide arguments when a premise of yours is called into question.
Ok so I'll start here. I'll give the credit that Gaara's sand can be used to support via creating platforms. Which pales in comparison to healing. Period. It does however also allow for sealing, which would have been the correct response which I purposely left open for you to state so our game could continue a little further. But sealing in the vast set of circumstances has less utility than healing so again a moot point. I will give you the Sand Clone, I did forget about that, that advantage can be stacked against healing in terms of support depending on the situation and we'd have to evaluate the overall benefit of healing during a battle which has increased vastly increases mission success over the use of sand clones.
(clarification) Whether clones increase mission more success as opposed to whether healing increases mission success more is a fair question, that has no obvious answer as there are no statistics to it.
Though I will not that no one thought that elemental or shadow clones should become standard for the sake of improving mission success but it was argued that healing should do so for that reason.
I already spoke about his sand eye, which tells me you didn't read for accuracy or understanding but just to reply. Yes he can link his sand to his optic nerve. Quite literally said that. And countered with a telepathic connection.
Sand sensing being used for information is a reach. At least compared to Katsuyu informing Shikaku of the decision Raikage and Hokage made about Naruto and Bee or about the progress of the battle thus far, or in provide Tsunade information about how many and who is deceased. Sand sensing touches an object and Gaara can reason that an object is there, but the information provided by the sand is minimal.
I simply addressed the fallacy that Gaara's sand only has two uses, being offense and defense. Creating a sand platform allows Gaara, and any of his teammates aerially capabilities, which is a huge advantage over ground based close-med range fighters. Also, let's not ignore the fact that Gaara served as a pivotal supporting role alongside 8G Gai, facing up against Jubi Jin Madara. We're speaking magnitudes of the level of characters here. So it's not just the sand platform, but the speed it had to be executed and travel in order to become even a factor in such a high level fight. I did include Gaara's sealing. It was in the scans I provided. I shouldn't of assumed that you would of picked up on such a small detail, and posted something more blatant.
Being able to create undistinguishable sand clones of not only yourself, but your teammates as well is extremely useful. I don't believe I need to go into detail as to why. Not only that, but unlike Kage Bunshins (or other clones) these clones are able to immediately attack the opponent upon contact or the casters intent by forming into a surprise assault of sand, as shown how it was utilized against the Trollkage. When we take the asset of healing into consideration, it needs to be noted that the healer must rely on the support of others in order to have the time and opportunity to safely come to the aid of whoever was injured. Not to mention, we also must assume that whoever needs healing, isn't fatally injured in the first place. That discredits it's worth. Sending in sand clones first, in addition to Gaara's sand versatile defenses (hyped up to be one of the best in the manga) diminishes a lot of these weaknesses.
I did notice that you briefly mentioned the optic nerve, but you did not include it while creating the category of the sands usefulness. As with everything, there are the pros and cons. Katsuyu can be in many places at once, but she can not move as quickly as Gaara's sand; nor can she move stealthily, operating without the opposition being aware of her presence. I addressed sand sensing in a complete different category of possible uses, which was not information. So that's quite ironic of you to mention me not reading for accuracy and understanding. Gaara's sand can be used offensively, defensively, supportively, informatively, and for sensing and locating purposes. Katsuyu can't locate invisible objects or beings.
Actually that's not what I did at all, it is called prefecing an argument. You're obviously about to respond, and I laid out the building blocks to my argument.
The correct analogy would be
A Professional Boxer can weave and punch
A Kung Fuist can Punch and pivot
Stop being silly, this is why in the hyperlinks used, I tried to exemplify the strongest instances of Gaara showcasing his power.
So in the instance of him Shielding the village from C3 it was compared to Katsuyu shielding villagers from Chou Shinra Tensei
Gaara's strongest crushing technique was compared to a tiny clone of Katsuyu producing winds and damage that could crush. You see how Gaara didn't get the short end of the stick there?
Come on FT you can do better than that the analogy was lazy and false. And you're arguments don't take into account the nuance of mine. Try again.
Also Katsuyu is not a summon with a time limit but has been explained to be a summon connected to the Yin Seal. Which proves you don't know about Katsuyu.
Nothing incorrect with my analogy, when your reasoning was based off atrocious examples and comparisons. While assessing Gaara's offense, all you mentioned was that Gaara can grab and crush. Really? Is that really all he can do? The silliness lies with you guy, because this whole portion is simply laughably flawed. Gaara's sand can take on any formation, simultaneously attacking from above, from below the feet, from literally all angle's at once. It can cover ridiculous AoE, which makes dodging nearly impossible regardless of how fast the opposition is. All done at speeds far faster than Katsuyu. It can accomplish all this while also being able to defend simultaneously as well. Blind sighting Gaara? No problem, because he has automatic sand that reacts on it's own. Like are we being completely serious here?
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It's not as simple as Gaara can grab and crush, and so can Katsuyu. Honestly, what fallacious reasoning. Overall versatility needs to be accounted for. Katsuyu pales in comparison to Gaara's offensive and defensive capabilities. Try again when this even becomes somewhat comparable.
Edit: Did you say that Katsuyu was summoned before Chou Shinra Tensei but neglect to mention that Gaara's Sand had been present and infused with his chakra before C3? They were both readily available before the attacks and managed to shield effectively in the time it took to launch the attacks.
Now if we swap the damage from C3 and Chou Shinra Tensei are you supposing that Gaara could have saved his villagers from CST?
Gaara didn't just use any pre-existing sand lying around the surface. He specifically chooses the richest sand grains, amasses the giant floating shield, and reinforced it with chakra. This was all done near instantly within seconds upon realizing what the actual threat was. It nearly took close to no prep time, which is not at all comparable to Katsuyu being conveniently summoned way prior to CST. If Katsuyu was summoned at that moment, she would of accomplished absolutely nothing, and that applies with C3 as well. So I am not ashamed of admitting that Gaara mostly likely wouldn't of been able to do anything, but slightly cushioning the attack with sand. Pain would of had a tough time getting off CST with Gaara around in the first place.
You have to be a next level Tsunade fanboy to even think about saying Katsuya is overall better than Gaara's sand. The only category Katsuya is better at is healing, which Gaara doesn't even possess.
Offense? You simply can't compare Katsuya's linearly slow acid attacks to the speed, variety, and effectiveness of Gaara's sand.
Defense? Again, more speed, variety. Both are strong in countering certain attacks. Katsuya is better with blunt attacks, while Gaara can block explosions. Edge is to sand again, as Gaara has certain resistance to blunt attacks, while Katsuya has shown nothing regarding explosions
Sensory? Gaara's third eye. Using regular sand to sense the movement of his enemies or their actions, making it almost impossible to blindside Gaara as well as making him better in espionage.
Support? This one is for Katsuya tbh. She can heal which is all needed to be said
Gaara didn't just use any pre-existing sand lying around the surface. He specifically chooses the richest sand grains, amasses the giant floating shield, and reinforced it with chakra. This was all done near instantly within seconds upon realizing what the actual threat was. It nearly took close to no prep time, which is not at all comparable to Katsuyu being conveniently summoned way prior to CST. If Katsuyu was summoned at that moment, she would of accomplished absolutely nothing, and that applies with C3 as well. So I am not ashamed of admitting that Gaara mostly likely wouldn't of been able to do anything, but slightly cushioning the attack with sand. Pain would of had a tough time getting off CST with Gaara around in the first place.
He still only accomplishes the feat because of his location. Not to mention he probably has the best grains ready just in case there is an aerial attack on the village so you are ignoring the prep he has. Put Gaara in another village and he does not stop the same attack, switch Tsunade up and katsuyu can still do the same.
The only thing Gaara has over Katsuyu is flight. That makes it overall more useful than Katsuyu.
Katsuyu can locate invisible opponents and opponents that are hiding. She liquefies across the battlefield and Tsunade can tell where the opponent is. Katsuyu can be all over a battlefield, Tsunade will always know where an opponent is.
Katsuyu can give Tsunade information from across the world. Through Katsuyu Tsunade
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the SA had not found Kabuto yet.
Katsuyu easily breaks genjustu for Tsunade while Gaara can still get caught in a genjustu with his third eye.
Chakra from Gaara's sand can be absorbed while Katsuyu saved the SA from getting their chakra absorbed by the god tree.
Katsuyu still operates while Tsunade is down. Can be called to save Tsunade from dying.
Katsuyu survived CST and Naruto's rampage as the 8 tails even as it withstood CT. Gaara's sand would not withstand the blast of CST since it completely destroyed Konoha's buildings [
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Katsuyu has two forms a solid one and liquid one. The solid one can become 1000s of opponents while the liquid one can form over anything just like Gaara's sand.
The sand and Katsuyu are very similar and versatile.
You have to be a next level Tsunade fanboy to even think about saying Katsuya is overall better than Gaara's sand. The only category Katsuya is better at is healing, which Gaara doesn't even possess.
Offense? You simply can't compare Katsuya's linearly slow acid attacks to the speed, variety, and effectiveness of Gaara's sand.
Defense? Again, more speed, variety. Both are strong in countering certain attacks. Katsuya is better with blunt attacks, while Gaara can block explosions. Edge is to sand again, as Gaara has certain resistance to blunt attacks, while Katsuya has shown nothing regarding explosions
Sensory? Gaara's third eye. Using regular sand to sense the movement of his enemies or their actions, making it almost impossible to blindside Gaara as well as making him better in espionage.
Support? This one is for Katsuya tbh. She can heal which is all needed to be said
Well Offense: Gaara has to create his own sand unless he's in suna. That takes time. Two the acid isn't slow, but even if it were, it coming from say 360 directions basically neutralizes any stupid speed argument.
Can you explain to me the difference that pushing force generated by an explosion, and the pushing force generated by CST? I'll wait.
Sensory? You actually think Gaara wins this. She senses Chakra. Edge Katsuyu.
I simply addressed the fallacy that Gaara's sand only has two uses, being offense and defense. Creating a sand platform allows Gaara, and any of his teammates aerially capabilities, which is a huge advantage over ground based close-med range fighters. Also, let's not ignore the fact that Gaara served as a pivotal supporting role alongside 8G Gai, facing up against Jubi Jin Madara. We're speaking magnitudes of the level of characters here. So it's not just the sand platform, but the speed it had to be executed and travel in order to become even a factor in such a high level fight. I did include Gaara's sealing. It was in the scans I provided. I shouldn't of assumed that you would of picked up on such a small detail, and posted something more blatant.
Being able to create undistinguishable sand clones of not only yourself, but your teammates as well is extremely useful. I don't believe I need to go into detail as to why. Not only that, but unlike Kage Bunshins (or other clones) these clones are able to immediately attack the opponent upon contact or the casters intent by forming into a surprise assault of sand, as shown how it was utilized against the Trollkage. When we take the asset of healing into consideration, it needs to be noted that the healer must rely on the support of others in order to have the time and opportunity to safely come to the aid of whoever was injured. Not to mention, we also must assume that whoever needs healing, isn't fatally injured in the first place. That discredits it's worth. Sending in sand clones first, in addition to Gaara's sand versatile defenses (hyped up to be one of the best in the manga) diminishes a lot of these weaknesses.
I did notice that you briefly mentioned the optic nerve, but you did not include it while creating the category of the sands usefulness. As with everything, there are the pros and cons. Katsuyu can be in many places at once, but she can not move as quickly as Gaara's sand; nor can she move stealthily, operating without the opposition being aware of her presence. I addressed sand sensing in a complete different category of possible uses, which was not information. So that's quite ironic of you to mention me not reading for accuracy and understanding. Gaara's sand can be used offensively, defensively, supportively, informatively, and for sensing and locating purposes. Katsuyu can't locate invisible objects or beings.
Nothing incorrect with my analogy, when your reasoning was based off atrocious examples and comparisons. While assessing Gaara's offense, all you mentioned was that Gaara can grab and crush. Really? Is that really all he can do? The silliness lies with you guy, because this whole portion is simply laughably flawed. Gaara's sand can take on any formation, simultaneously attacking from above, from below the feet, from literally all angle's at once. It can cover ridiculous AoE, which makes dodging nearly impossible regardless of how fast the opposition is. All done at speeds far faster than Katsuyu. It can accomplish all this while also being able to defend simultaneously as well. Blind sighting Gaara? No problem, because he has automatic sand that reacts on it's own. Like are we being completely serious here?
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It's not as simple as Gaara can grab and crush, and so can Katsuyu. Honestly, what fallacious reasoning. Overall versatility needs to be accounted for. Katsuyu pales in comparison to Gaara's offensive and defensive capabilities. Try again when this even becomes somewhat comparable.
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Gaara didn't just use any pre-existing sand lying around the surface. He specifically chooses the richest sand grains, amasses the giant floating shield, and reinforced it with chakra. This was all done near instantly within seconds upon realizing what the actual threat was. It nearly took close to no prep time, which is not at all comparable to Katsuyu being conveniently summoned way prior to CST. If Katsuyu was summoned at that moment, she would of accomplished absolutely nothing, and that applies with C3 as well. So I am not ashamed of admitting that Gaara mostly likely wouldn't of been able to do anything, but slightly cushioning the attack with sand. Pain would of had a tough time getting off CST with Gaara around in the first place.
I want to begin this by first apologizing for being away for so long, haha work comes first.
Nextly, I would like to start by pointing out that as I stated in the comment that launched this debate Gaara is at the peak of his game in a desert or in Suna.
Yes, but if you measure the usefulness of sand platforms against say the usefulness of a a slug who can liquefy and heal an army while they fight, I think sand platforms find themselves as net less useful.
You're argument that his sand is more useful do the the fact that he can create Sand clones is interesting. Considering Kakashi can create Raiton clones which are significantly more useful. Or Hashirama, Madara, or Yamato can create wood clones again much more useful. The sand clones are no more useful than Suiton Clones, and as far being able to mimic his support, he managed to use an academy level transformation jutsu. How does that make the sand more useful?
Your note on healing is silly because we're discussing Katsuyu and not a medical ninja. So she doesn't actually need support to get to her patients as she's the most indestructible creature we've seen in the NV. As we saw per the War, and Konoha invasion arc, it is far more likely that shinobi will be injured than outright killed immediately. Add to that, the idea that it depends how quickly one may die from a wound. A fatal wound that takes minutes to kill can be healed and addressed.
But now allow me to suggest an even greater purpose for Katsuyu which Gaara's sand stands to provide no usefulness for, genjutsu. One can be awakened from Genjutsu through having chakra poured into their chakra network. Katsuyu's divisive abilities allow her to be placed on any and every member of a team. She draws chakra telepathically from Tsunade and Sakura's Yin Seal. Allowing access to pools of chakra that she can push into any given body, she is essentially a tool that stops genjutsu in its tracks. Because she channels Tsunade's healing abilities, and Tsunade effortlessly healed two Tsukyomi victims, she could even heal any damage done by genjutsu.
Now to talk about sensing, Katsuyu can sense chakra. Even when those who the chakra emanates from/around is unaware of it. Making her a incredibly valuable asset in the field if enemies seek to use cunning or clone feints.
Actually name one move of Gaara's that doesn't ultimately come back to him winning through crushing an opponent. That is his end goal in every fight. I suppose he does try suffocation too. Those are his tools, the intermediary steps aren't actually important to usefulness as offensively his goal is to cover the opponent in sand and to either suffocate them or crush them. Feeling that it doesn't match the complexities of his style is fine, but even you have to admit that those are the only things that logically and that we've seen him do that can actually seal the deal especially against upper tiered opponents.
You talk about it attacking from above, below, and around, but how is it attacking, what is the attacks ultimate goal?
But you're analogy was incorrect because you used a child as an example. Katsuyu has been hyped to be of legendary status. Not that of a child. She has been hyped to have the offensive capablities necessary to kill Orochimaru. She has displayed defensive capabilities strong enough to save thousands at once. She's displayed support capabilities that has allowed her to heal tens of thousands. She has all capabilities necessary to completely neutralize genjutsu as a viable means of attack. She can sense even faint chakra. And relay information instantly all across the world. And she's the child in your metaphor. Well I'd certainly like to see Gaara play support to thousands simulateously. Or to effectively neutralize genjutsu without his team needing a medic afterwards. His saving of Suna corresponds in scale with what Katsuyu did in Konoha. She's not the child if you insist on the metaphor.
So what you're saying is that Gaara was in the desert. And the sand wasn't sitting there present and ready for him to use? Ok.
Katsuyu pales in comparison how. Ok Katsuyu can divide thousands of times, with each of those clones being incredibly hard to kill. That's point one. Next, each of those clones can spit death dealing acid. Acid that melts stone faster than Manda can get around the stone. So if it makes contact with flesh, there's nothing that can be done. That's point two. Point three is that she has in the time to took the rhino to charge the interrogation building, she managed to come from nowhere and encase all the shinobi in the room. Point Three Now I want to point out I have already named one way in which almost any opponent is outmanuevered because of sheer number and lethal ability of Katsuyu. She can encase an opponent and having deadly medical ninjutsu transferred through her killing whatever enemy is stuck inside. That's point four. Point 5 Food Cart Destroyer.
Now that's three separate ways Katsuyu can kill and do so effectively. Against even jounin. She has the offense that puts her at top tier summons.
Defensively, CST outranks C3. The destruction caused by CST gives a pretty clear implication it literally caused a crater in the middle of the hidden leaf, and it turned everything outside the crater into rubble. Compare this with a normal Shinra Tensei that had the force to beat all three of the Large Toad Summons. This is a Gamabunta who took one of Shukaku's elemental blasts, being rendered useless by an ordinary Shinra Tensei. Thus, to protect the citizens inside of her necessarily, Katsuyu needs to be incredibly tough and durable.
Gaara's automatic Sand defense can be penetrated by speed, force, or raiton. Of the opponents Gaara is likely to encounter, they are will probably use one or the other. Gaara's strongest defense pales before Yasaka Magatama. It would be blown away by CST. It would collapse against Ay or Tsunade. It would be disentengrated against Oonoki. It would melt from Mei. Kakashi would Raiton right through it. Kisame would flood it and make it heavier and slower. You'll note that Gaara has not relied on his automatic defense since the time skip. Afterall, Kimmaro's bone bullets almost had the force to make it through. That's not to say his manual sand defense isn't strong, but the automatic one wouldn't sand up to the attacks Gaara would be likely to face. It's not even worth mentioning.
Also Pein would not have had any trouble against Gaara. None. Don't even say something that stupid. Asura path and Animal Path would have had Gaara scrambling. And If Gaara had gone to try and fight the paths individually as he started to locate them, the Deva Path at any point in time could have launched CST and wrecked everything. Sand can't cushion against that, at best there would have been a massive sand storm as a result. If Gaara had gotten captured by Preta Path like Naruto had, it would have been game over.
Well Offense: Gaara has to create his own sand unless he's in suna. That takes time. Two the acid isn't slow, but even if it were, it coming from say 360 directions basically neutralizes any stupid speed argument.
I'm going to show you kid Gaara engulfing an entire forest in sand in mere seconds
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and you're telling me Kazekage Gaara's going to have trouble with time? lel
Katsuya first has to surround the enemy for her to use 360 sand, which takes far longer than what Gaara can do.
Underline is extremely ironic when you think Katsuya's offense is better than Gaara's. Next level bullshit is this
Can you explain to me the difference that pushing force generated by an explosion, and the pushing force generated by CST? I'll wait.
CST merely pushes the target away, while an explosion pushes away and has the potential to eradicate its target. CST doesn't produce fire like an explosion
Sensory? You actually think Gaara wins this. She senses Chakra. Edge Katsuyu.
Gaara can see through his sand, while Tsunade can't.
Gaara can cover more area as he can control every inch of a battlefield if it has sand
Katsuya senses chakra? I'd like a scan of that
I'm going to show you kid Gaara engulfing an entire forest in sand in mere seconds
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and you're telling me Kazekage Gaara's going to have trouble with time? lel
Katsuya first has to surround the enemy for her to use 360 sand, which takes far longer than what Gaara can do.
Underline is extremely ironic when you think Katsuya's offense is better than Gaara's. Next level bullshit is this
CST merely pushes the target away, while an explosion pushes away and has the potential to eradicate its target. CST doesn't produce fire like an explosion
Gaara can see through his sand, while Tsunade can't.
Gaara can cover more area as he can control every inch of a battlefield if it has sand
Katsuya senses chakra? I'd like a scan of that
From the sand he is himself carrying, he grinds the rocks and minerals from underground into an homogenous sea of sand and manipulates it like a tsunami that engulfs absolutely all things in his line of sight!! This jutsu is for no one except Gaara, who lives up to his "Of the Desert*" namesake. This raging sea deals a lot of damage by itself, but one can further take advantage of the sand for a second and a third consecutive assault! That sublime succession of sand attacks has this jutsu as its starting point!!
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-Causing the atmosphere to quake and the ground to rumble, the surging sea of sand swallows everything whole.
-Raging waves, surging billows.
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-"As long as I have sand... I can do anything." True to his word, he displays a jutsu well beyond the imaginable!!
The problem with the manga scan you provided is that you posted page 19 of chapter 215, but the jutsu activation starts when his sand begins to break down rocks. But Gaara started fighting in chapter 212. Giving him ample time to create a sea of sand.
It may eradicate through burning or through concussive force. Its fully possible that fire does harm to Katsuyu but its also manga fact that Gaara's sand can begin to melt (who knows at what temperatures though, Amateratsu is at least hot enough). But let's suffice to say of all the various attacks they could run into the possibilities are quite varied, with explosions being rather rare only two people I can think of consistently used them. There was Deidara and the reanimated shinobi who used explosion style. It's really quite rare.
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Also Gaara can see through his sand, but Tsunade can sense through Katsuyu.
Here is the databook page on Quicksand Waterfall Flow: The problem with the manga scan you provided is that you posted page 19 of chapter 215, but the jutsu activation starts when his sand begins to break down rocks. But Gaara started fighting in chapter 212. Giving him ample time to create a sea of sand.
It may eradicate through burning or through concussive force. Its fully possible that fire does harm to Katsuyu but its also manga fact that Gaara's sand can begin to melt (who knows at what temperatures though, Amateratsu is at least hot enough). But let's suffice to say of all the various attacks they could run into the possibilities are quite varied, with explosions being rather rare only two people I can think of consistently used them. There was Deidara and the reanimated shinobi who used explosion style. It's really quite rare.
I thought so to but then I realized that's just Gaara's sand dripping. It's done that in cases where it had no reason to melt.
Still surviving C3 without any damage means it is very resistant to heat. Same with the enton not being able to melt it. Katsuyu is made out of water which is more susceptible to heat than sand.
I thought so to but then I realized that's just Gaara's sand dripping. It's done that in cases where it had no reason to melt.
Still surviving C3 without any damage means it is very resistant to heat. Same with the enton not being able to melt it. Katsuyu is made out of water which is more susceptible to heat than sand.
I agree with that assessment, still explosion style is rare. In terms of Katons, You may be on to something. It would explain why Katsuyu wasn't summoned against Madara.
I thought so to but then I realized that's just Gaara's sand dripping. It's done that in cases where it had no reason to melt.
Still surviving C3 without any damage means it is very resistant to heat. Same with the enton not being able to melt it. Katsuyu is made out of water which is more susceptible to heat than sand.
I agree with that assessment, still explosion style is rare. In terms of Katons, You may be on to something. It would explain why Katsuyu wasn't summoned against Madara.
Here is the databook page on Quicksand Waterfall Flow: The problem with the manga scan you provided is that you posted page 19 of chapter 215, but the jutsu activation starts when his sand begins to break down rocks. But Gaara started fighting in chapter 212. Giving him ample time to create a sea of sand.
It may eradicate through burning or through concussive force. Its fully possible that fire does harm to Katsuyu but its also manga fact that Gaara's sand can begin to melt (who knows at what temperatures though, Amateratsu is at least hot enough). But let's suffice to say of all the various attacks they could run into the possibilities are quite varied, with explosions being rather rare only two people I can think of consistently used them. There was Deidara and the reanimated shinobi who used explosion style. It's really quite rare.
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Also Gaara can see through his sand, but Tsunade can sense through Katsuyu.
Bruh stop. Gaara appeared in 212 and started to fight in 215, after Shikamaru's and Temari's battle with Tayuya was over. In 215 Gaara starts fighting. A casual reader would understand how fast Gaara created the sand he needed to engulf a forest. Gaara must have started crushing earth to make sand anywhere from pages 10-15 when you see sand hands catching kimimaro. Again, the amount of sand kid Gaara made is ridiculous, and the amount he should be able to make as Kazekage is even more. Just stop, you're never convincing anyone in Katsuya being better than Gaara's sand
Amaterasu didn't immediately melt Gaara's sand, and Gaara shed it off before it could. I'd take Gaara's feats over fearless katsuya
katsuya can. She still isn't as versatile as what Gaara can do
Before I address the rest of this... Gaara out right stated that creating sand is effortless for him. In other words, it is an extremely easy task, which doesn't imply that it takes an extensive amount of time to do. Second, the context of the manga is clear.
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Kimimaro stated that he was underestimating Gaara, and so his sand tactics will never catch him off guard again. In direct response to that, Gaara then creates a plethora of sand that is simply unavoidable. Stating that Gaara showed up in chapter 212, and immediately started prepping sand is absolutely baseless, and completely ignores all context. Lastly, Gaara was shown in the War-Arc creating and using sand instantly out of bedrock [
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Also, Katsuyu is not your traditional chakra sensor. It had no idea that Orochimaru and company where meters away [
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Bruh stop. Gaara appeared in 212 and started to fight in 215, after Shikamaru's and Temari's battle with Tayuya was over. In 215 Gaara starts fighting. A casual reader would understand how fast Gaara created the sand he needed to engulf a forest. Gaara must have started crushing earth to make sand anywhere from pages 10-15 when you see sand hands catching kimimaro. Again, the amount of sand kid Gaara made is ridiculous, and the amount he should be able to make as Kazekage is even more. Just stop, you're never convincing anyone in Katsuya being better than Gaara's sand
Amaterasu didn't immediately melt Gaara's sand, and Gaara shed it off before it could. I'd take Gaara's feats over fearless katsuya
katsuya can. She still isn't as versatile as what Gaara can do
So you're saying Gaara appeared in 212. Kimmimaro attacked him at the beginning of 213. And the battle resumed in 215, do you think Gaara waited to begin breaking up the stone or do you think after initially rescuing Lee he immediately began to prepare for battle?
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Argumentum ad Populum mixed with argumentum ad verecundiam
There are some things that logically increase or decrease with age. Strength, speed, reflexes, agility. I'm just trying to find out why you think sanding down rocks for some reason gets a boost because Gaara was older. Especially at this is a skill he never needs to practice in Suna, which he rarely leaves as he's the kazekage.
As I stated before whether or not Gaara's sand has a Katon weakness is unimportant. It has three other ones that are glaring enough.
Now, we've been at this for about 3 and half pages or so. People keep saying Gaara's sand is the more versatile thing. However they consistently cannot do a logical comparison of the abilities the sand has displayed and the abilities that Katsuyu has displayed and come to the conclusion that the sand is more versatile. Rather what we've seen is a one sided argument saying look at everything Gaara's sand can do; obviously it must be more versatile than Katsuyu. I will grant you that we could talking past each other. By versatile I mean how many different things can you do well, it would be possible for someone else to mean the number of ways one can accomplish one thing. For instance Gaara has a number of defense techniques to result in the same idea. He has his sand armor, and his sand shield, and shield of shukaku, and his sky sand defensive wall, and his Mothers sand shield. Some may consider this a versatile array of abilities, I see it as simply a progression of a sand shields thus I only take note of the strongest one as they do the same job, and they do it in the same method.
I will try to be objective, realizing that I have a bias.
Gaara's Sand can create flying platforms
Katsuyu can counter genjutsu
Gaara can create Sand Clones to assist him in battle
Katsuyu can divide herself into as many clones as she wishes to aid her in battle.
Gaara can feel invisible targets through his sand
Katsuyu can sense chakra
Gaara can see through his sand being linked up with his optic nerve
Katsuyu's summoners can telepathically sense what Katsuyu sees
Gaara can create his own sand to cover a landscape
Katsuyu can liquefy to cover a landscape
Sand Hail
Zesshni Nesan
Sand Tsunami
Food Cart Destroyer
Gaara can use his sand to seal tough opponents
Katsuyu can use remote healing.
Katsuyu can relay information from multiple battlefields at once.
Gaara's sand is more flashy, but nothing backs up your claim that its more versatile. And certainly not that it's more useful. Healing and Information relay alone contend for usefulness. Being a healing pad for an army and relaying helpful information during missions or on various parts of battles more than proves her usefulness out weighting that of Gaara's sand. Add in offensive and defensive capabilities and it really shouldn't be a question of what has more utility.
The sannin's summons are legendary creatures. They are renown separate from the renown the sannin have. They have power above that of a jonin. It's why Manda can threaten to eat Orochimaru, why Gamabunta has such a complex relationship with Jiraiya. They are incredibly strong creatures. It's why Gamabunta was used to hold down the 9 tails, and why he went toe to toe with shukaku. 5% of Katsuyu is what it takes to create the legendary dead lock of power for the summons. Creatures that are summoned to fight against bijuu shouldn't be underestimated. If you took Kurenai, Asuma, sixth hokage, Kiba, Neji, Hiashi, Chouji, and Chouza, the Naras and put them against one of the legendary boss summons, they would have quite a difficult time.
Before I address the rest of this... Gaara out right stated that creating sand is effortless for him. In other words, it is an extremely easy task, which doesn't imply that it takes an extensive amount of time to do. Second, the context of the manga is clear.
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Kimimaro stated that he was underestimating Gaara, and so his sand tactics will never catch him off guard again. In direct response to that, Gaara then creates a plethora of sand that is simply unavoidable. Stating that Gaara showed up in chapter 212, and immediately started prepping sand is absolutely baseless, and completely ignores all context. Lastly, Gaara was shown in the War-Arc creating and using sand instantly out of bedrock [
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Also, Katsuyu is not your traditional chakra sensor. It had no idea that Orochimaru and company where meters away [
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]. So obviously, Katsuyu would also notice that it hasn't completely diminished when she is also attempting to heal the SA at the same time. Hence why she said that she noticed it while healing everyone.
Easy =/= instantly. For instance, I can easily grow plants, that doesn't mean the minimum required time for them to grow and bear fruit is reduced. It is easy for me to make mashed potatoes from scratch. That doesn't mean that the potatoes will be mashed instantly, there is still a process than must be undergone. It may be easy for me to dig holes, it doesn't mean easiness erases that it takes me time. I can easily write papers or responses to things, it still takes time. It may take less time than if it were arduous, but that's not because it being easy makes it takes less time its that difficulty increases time.
In response to that Gaara unleashed the sand he'd been prepping unless you are insisting that Gaara's sand was not in the ground at all and instantly his sand entered into the ground and pulverized enough stone to create a sea of sand faster than any of his other sand or reaction feats. Nextly those two feats you just displayed showed him making significantly smaller structures near instantly, nothing terrain changing which was the argument right? That Gaara could instantly change the terrain, well his best feats are creating a 10 foot wall and sand hands near instantly. All of which was Gaara fighting at his top form. In a desert. The entirety of the battle happened in a desert. I really don't what you're claiming contrary to my claim. I made claims about Gaara outside of a desert. And of any possible feat all you can tell me is when the structure emerged from the earth not when Gaara started creating his sand. Which leaves me with one of two arguments. 1, either he is in the desert and loose sediment from said bedrock fills the cracks inbetween the bedrock, such sediment would be sandy considering the lack of water in the desert. Gaara of the Desert can manipulate sand, thus he can use whatever Sand is present. or 2 The fact that we don't see his sand entering the ground would suggest, that it is already there doing its job. Gaara launched his sand in with the bedrock to create sand and manipulate it. You see, Gaara manipulates sand. So he either has to create it or its already there. If he's not in a desert its not already there. If he needs to create it, his sand needs to go into the ground and pulverize enough rock to turn it into sand. If his sand never enters the ground then second is impossible. Thus he must be utilizing the first.
Finally the thing about Naruto actively healing the SA is dishonest. He wasn't addressing wounds he was providing them with chakra. Shikamaru who was mentioned in conjunction with the benefit Naruto was giving to the SA was suffering from chakra loss not a physical injury. Katsuyu however, is healing wounds. Do you see how you created a false parallel. Naruto gained no wound healing powers until after his meeting with So6P. Which is noteably after this incident. The only thing that was threatening the SA at that point in time was chakra depletion from resulting from the God Tree trying to reasorb its chakra. Nice try.
I don't know maybe Katsuyu didn't realize because she was weakened, and dedicating all of her attention on trying to save the gokage whilst not having enough chakra to do so? I somehow doubt she was very open to be looking for chakra signatures if she was called after the battle had been completed.
After all Katsuyu does come from one of the legendary sage homes. 仙人」三大秘境 Was the term the databook used. 仙人 translates to Sennin which translates to Sage 三 Is the japanese character for three 大 is the japanse character for big 秘 means secret or unexplored and 境 territory. All together then it the "Sage Three Big Unexplored (Secret) Territories" So yes, I imagine that Katsuyu can sense in addition to what the manga displayed.
Easy =/= instantly. For instance, I can easily grow plants, that doesn't mean the minimum required time for them to grow and bear fruit is reduced. It is easy for me to make mashed potatoes from scratch. That doesn't mean that the potatoes will be mashed instantly, there is still a process than must be undergone. It may be easy for me to dig holes, it doesn't mean easiness erases that it takes me time. I can easily write papers or responses to things, it still takes time. It may take less time than if it were arduous, but that's not because it being easy makes it takes less time its that difficulty increases time.
In response to that Gaara unleashed the sand he'd been prepping unless you are insisting that Gaara's sand was not in the ground at all and instantly his sand entered into the ground and pulverized enough stone to create a sea of sand faster than any of his other sand or reaction feats. Nextly those two feats you just displayed showed him making significantly smaller structures near instantly, nothing terrain changing which was the argument right? That Gaara could instantly change the terrain, well his best feats are creating a 10 foot wall and sand hands near instantly. All of which was Gaara fighting at his top form. In a desert. The entirety of the battle happened in a desert. I really don't what you're claiming contrary to my claim. I made claims about Gaara outside of a desert. And of any possible feat all you can tell me is when the structure emerged from the earth not when Gaara started creating his sand. Which leaves me with one of two arguments. 1, either he is in the desert and loose sediment from said bedrock fills the cracks inbetween the bedrock, such sediment would be sandy considering the lack of water in the desert. Gaara of the Desert can manipulate sand, thus he can use whatever Sand is present. or 2 The fact that we don't see his sand entering the ground would suggest, that it is already there doing its job. Gaara launched his sand in with the bedrock to create sand and manipulate it. You see, Gaara manipulates sand. So he either has to create it or its already there. If he's not in a desert its not already there. If he needs to create it, his sand needs to go into the ground and pulverize enough rock to turn it into sand. If his sand never enters the ground then second is impossible. Thus he must be utilizing the first.
Finally the thing about Naruto actively healing the SA is dishonest. He wasn't addressing wounds he was providing them with chakra. Shikamaru who was mentioned in conjunction with the benefit Naruto was giving to the SA was suffering from chakra loss not a physical injury. Katsuyu however, is healing wounds. Do you see how you created a false parallel. Naruto gained no wound healing powers until after his meeting with So6P. Which is noteably after this incident. The only thing that was threatening the SA at that point in time was chakra depletion from resulting from the God Tree trying to reasorb its chakra. Nice try.
I don't know maybe Katsuyu didn't realize because she was weakened, and dedicating all of her attention on trying to save the gokage whilst not having enough chakra to do so? I somehow doubt she was very open to be looking for chakra signatures if she was called after the battle had been completed.
After all Katsuyu does come from one of the legendary sage homes. 仙人」三大秘境 Was the term the databook used. 仙人 translates to Sennin which translates to Sage 三 Is the japanese character for three 大 is the japanse character for big 秘 means secret or unexplored and 境 territory. All together then it the "Sage Three Big Unexplored (Secret) Territories" So yes, I imagine that Katsuyu can sense in addition to what the manga displayed.
You either missed or purposely missed my point. It's called context. You need to pay close attention to the context when there isn't concrete proof to prove your point. Stop ignoring it in convenience to your arguments, because your assertion that Gaara showed up on chapter 212 and immediately starting prepping all the sand is again, absolutely baseless. So let's try this once more.
Understand the context here.
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Gaara couldn't capture Kimimaro with his guard sand alone, resulting in Kimimaro slandering his capabilities. In direct response to that, Gaara captured him from below his feet; and then specifically said that Kimimaro was actually the foolish one, because it doesn't take any effort to create sand from the ground. Again, context is clear. It was done right on the spot due to the fight progressing and his guard sand not sufficing. Nothing was ever mentioned or even slightly implied in regards to creating sand requiring a whole bunch of prep time.
Then once again, Gaara's efforts didn't suffice to defeat Kimimaro, something he couldn't of predicted. Why would Gaara predict fighting an opponent capable of withstanding his Sand Coffin? Kimimaro then commented that the sand will never catch him off guard again, which lead Gaara to attacking with an unavoidable amount of sand.
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What you're suggesting is that Gaara perfectly predicted every scenario in this fight, and conveniently prepped everything accordingly in response to Kimimaro. Extremely far fetched and desperate reasoning. Lastly, Kimimaro was forming and commenting on his
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that would easily bypass Gaara's weak sand defenses. What does Gaara respond with? Immediately forming his absolute defense shield of Shukaku [
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Gaara is not at a significant disadvantage starting outside of a desert, because it takes little to no time or effort to create one. I'm not addressing anything else until we get this very simple concept cleared up and understood.
You either missed or purposely missed my point. It's called context. You need to pay close attention to the context when there isn't concrete proof to prove your point. Stop ignoring it in convenience to your arguments, because your assertion that Gaara showed up on chapter 212 and immediately starting prepping all the sand is again, absolutely baseless. So let's try this once more.
Understand the context here.
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Gaara couldn't capture Kimimaro with his guard sand alone, resulting in Kimimaro slandering his capabilities. In direct response to that, Gaara captured him from below his feet; and then specifically said that Kimimaro was actually the foolish one, because it doesn't take any effort to create sand from the ground. Again, context is clear. It was done right on the spot due to the fight progressing and his guard sand not sufficing. Nothing was ever mentioned or even slightly implied in regards to creating sand requiring a whole bunch of prep time.
Then once again, Gaara's efforts didn't suffice to defeat Kimimaro, something he couldn't of predicted. Why would Gaara predict fighting an opponent capable of withstanding his Sand Coffin? Kimimaro then commented that the sand will never catch him off guard again, which lead Gaara to attacking with an unavoidable amount of sand.
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What you're suggesting is that Gaara perfectly predicted every scenario in this fight, and conveniently prepped everything accordingly in response to Kimimaro. Extremely far fetched and desperate reasoning. Lastly, Kimimaro was forming and commenting on his
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that would easily bypass Gaara's weak sand defenses. What does Gaara respond with? Immediately forming his absolute defense shield of Shukaku [
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]. Did Gaara predict this as well, and had separately prepped the higher quality sand, hiding it the entire time for this very occasion? Surely not. Everything is done right on the spot. Context. He formed it by nigh instantly collecting the strongest minerals, and solidifying it with chakra. Very similar to how he formed his defense against C3.
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Gaara is not at a significant disadvantage starting outside of a desert, because it takes little to no time or effort to create one. I'm not addressing anything else until we get this very simple concept cleared up and understood.
The context is this, Gaara's sand was already in the ground as per the scan you showed. Third Panel, First scan. No reason to believe it was in the ground doing nothing but waiting.
The context of Gaara's I can easily create Sand is because Kimmimaru believed that Gaara only had access to sand in his gourd. Gaara was stating that he could create more sand, and that if he does he could do anything. See?
Furthermore, Gaara wouldn't have to predict a single move of Kimmaru to start prepping sand. Why because he was sent there to back up Naruto. A ninja who beat him in his shukaku form. Do you think he would underestimate Kimmimaro, especially when Lee who put up a good fight against him needed to be saved as soon he arrived on the battlefield. Him prepping sand would simply be a natural result of assuming his enemy is more powerful than the guy that beat him last time.
To suggest that Gaara prepping sand to fight shows prediction of the entire fight, when the only thing Gaara can do is use sand is foolishness and desperate. Perhaps, he prepared the only ninja tool he uses for a serious battle, and of course realizing that he didn't want to be limited to the amount of sand in his gourd facing an opponent that Lee was in no way equipped to deal with maybe he thought it may be better if he had more to work with. After all the worst that could happen from him having more sand is chakra waste, which as a jiinchuuriki hardly matters. The result of him not having enough is his death.
You've actually caused me to Face Palm I don't know what's with you and prediction. To make the Shield of Shukaku, all Gaara would need to do is manipulate the finest and strongest grains of sand that he had already created. Nothing absolutely nothing supports your claim that he needed to predict that attack.
As he already stated "from underground I collect the strongest minerals." How could he do that if his sand wasn't already underground?
Now it is true that he needed to know that he needed the toughest sand he could make to shield against Kimmimaro's attack. But guess what? Kimmimaro told him he was using the thickest and strongest bone he could create.
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The best you could argue is that Gaara quickly brought the minerals he had collected up from the ground.
Which is totally supported by you know the fact that he had just used Sand Tsunami
Very interesting debate thus far. Both sides coming up with great arguments. This is the level Tsunade should be thought to be on. Gaara is no way near massively superior to Tsunade, thats just stupid.
The context is this, Gaara's sand was already in the ground as per the scan you showed. Third Panel, First scan. No reason to believe it was in the ground doing nothing but waiting.
The context of Gaara's I can easily create Sand is because Kimmimaru believed that Gaara only had access to sand in his gourd. Gaara was stating that he could create more sand, and that if he does he could do anything. See?
If you're talking about the third panel on the very first scan in my post you just quoted, that was the sand Gaara was just using to attack Kimimaro. Unless I'm looking at the wrong panel, I have no idea what you're talking about, because that sand wasn't in the ground.
You're once again disregarding what I've stated and beating around the bush. Gaara couldn't tag Kimimaro with the gourd sand--> Kimimaro slanders his capabilities with sand---> Gaara surprises him with a below the surface attack--> Gaara then proceeds to say, you're the fool, because I can effortlessly create sand from the ground. Context is clear cut. Then the fact that nothing was ever stated or slightly implied about this procedure demanding a whole lot of prep time, which you continue to conveniently ignore, along with any rational reasoning.
Not even the Databook, which you posted earlier, supports your assertion.
From the sand he is himself carrying, he grinds the rocks and minerals from underground into an homogenous sea of sand and manipulates it like a tsunami that engulfs absolutely all things in his line of sight!! This jutsu is for no one except Gaara, who lives up to his "Of the Desert*" namesake. This raging sea deals a lot of damage by itself, but one can further take advantage of the sand for a second and a third consecutive assault! That sublime succession of sand attacks has this jutsu as its starting point!!
Notice it how it mentions absolutely nothing about an extensive amount of prep time being needed, which would be a key detail to include. It literally just states that Gaara grinds sand, and then unleashes the Sand Tsunami. It is done and accomplished right on the spot, as the text implies. The manga nor databook gives us literally no reason to believe what you're desperately trying to argue.
Furthermore, Gaara wouldn't have to predict a single move of Kimmaru to start prepping sand. Why because he was sent there to back up Naruto. A ninja who beat him in his shukaku form. Do you think he would underestimate Kimmimaro, especially when Lee who put up a good fight against him needed to be saved as soon he arrived on the battlefield. Him prepping sand would simply be a natural result of assuming his enemy is more powerful than the guy that beat him last time.
To suggest that Gaara prepping sand to fight shows prediction of the entire fight, when the only thing Gaara can do is use sand is foolishness and desperate. Perhaps, he prepared the only ninja tool he uses for a serious battle, and of course realizing that he didn't want to be limited to the amount of sand in his gourd facing an opponent that Lee was in no way equipped to deal with maybe he thought it may be better if he had more to work with. After all the worst that could happen from him having more sand is chakra waste, which as a jiinchuuriki hardly matters. The result of him not having enough is his death.
You're scrambling for excuses. Gaara, along with the other two sand siblings, were sent from Tsunade to back up the whole Sasuke retrieval team, not just Naruto. Gaara arrived at Kimimaro's grounds way after Naruto had left. So that has nothing to do with anything here, unless you have proof suggesting Gaara knew Naruto fought and couldn't defeat Kimimaro. Lee? Do you not remember the condition Lee was left in the last time Gaara had seen him? Gaara even noticed that Lee wasn't fighting like his normal self [
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What's desperate is you banking on something never stated or implied anywhere. If all that sand was prepped beforehand, why not just unleash it all at once, soon as he had such a large quantity? Because as you said, he wouldn't want to be limited to a smaller amount of sand any longer then he had to, and chakra isn't an issue. Why instead did he so conveniently use it appropriately and accordingly in direct response to Kimimaro? The simple answer is because it doesn't require any time to prep it, and it's effortless to do so for him. He can make it right on the spot. Apparently, this is rocket science.
You've actually caused me to Face Palm I don't know what's with you and prediction. To make the Shield of Shukaku, all Gaara would need to do is manipulate the finest and strongest grains of sand that he had already created. Nothing absolutely nothing supports your claim that he needed to predict that attack.
As he already stated "from underground I collect the strongest minerals." How could he do that if his sand wasn't already underground?
Now it is true that he needed to know that he needed the toughest sand he could make to shield against Kimmimaro's attack. But guess what? Kimmimaro told him he was using the thickest and strongest bone he could create.
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The best you could argue is that Gaara quickly brought the minerals he had collected up from the ground.
Which is totally supported by you know the fact that he had just used Sand Tsunami
That's fine, because I, along with many others, have been face palming at you for a while now. Wrong. It wouldn't be as simple as manipulating the highest quality grains. In order to form this ultimate defense, Gaara first needs to distinguish and locate the highest quality of minerals from the ordinary ones underground. After he does that, he pressurizes them with chakra, creating sand. The sand consisting of the initial Sand Arms and Sand Tsunami and the sand consisting of the Shield Of Shukaku are of different quality and occurrences. My point is, which you obviously failed to comprehend once again, that this technique must have to of been done right on the spot. Else, we'd be claiming that Gaara had predicted the nature of attack from Kimimaro. Since you agreed that Gaara didn't predict it, that means that we know for a fact that Gaara didn't start prepping the Shukaku Shield until
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, and completed it in the very next page.
So let's piece this together.
A) We can come to the logical conclusion that picking out the best minerals, and making high quality sand takes more time and effort then ordinary lesser quality sand. B) We know that it took Gaara little to no prep time to create his highest quality defense right on the spot. And C), this was done by SRA Gaara. Shippudden Kazekage Gaara accomplished a very similar procedure as SRA Gaara, except on a much larger scale.
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Thus, Kazekage Gaara can form masses of sand within seconds. End of story, period.
