Can Kakashi Kamui be countered? Or avoided?

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[Your Creepy Stalker]

Yes, Yes. You just need to be really fast, or have some kind of teleportation.

 

[Angelic.]

Kamui gg

 

[Sir Blades]

Kamui can be avoided, not countered. Cant really counter a time space hole.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Sir Blade explained it well

 

[Ricardo]

Sir Blades soloing the plebs :bdpf:

 

[The Necromancer]

Kamui can be avoided, not countered. Cant really counter a time space hole.

If we knew more about the mechanics behind it, it would be more feasible to counter.

 

[Sir Blades]

If we knew more about the mechanics behind it, it would be more feasible to counter.

Naturally.
Speaking from a story perspective the individual would have to do extensive research and then run against the possibility of it requiring large amounts of chakra or techniques that are simply not feasible. Which is why avoiding it would be easier for the ninja.

 

[Ansatsuken]

If we knew more about the mechanics behind it, it would be more feasible to counter.

Even TSB(the highest level Ninjutsu/Senjutsu) that can nullify/absorb Ninjutsu couldnt absorb/nullify it(Kamui Snipe).

I think only other Kamui snipe can counter it

 

[The Necromancer]

Naturally.
Speaking from a story perspective the individual would have to do extensive research and then run against the possibility of it requiring large amounts of chakra or techniques that are simply not feasible. Which is why avoiding it would be easier for the ninja.

Logically both Genjutsu and Kamui require some sort of chakra to manifest their effects, similarly to how CT requires a ball of chakra to pull the earth around it.

So my theory is that the sharingan simply "projects" minute chakra through the air, similar to Amaterasu albeit with standard chakra of a barely noticeable amount, which then produces whatever effect.

Unless Kishimoto is creating physics humans can't even comprehend, Kamui and genjtsus can't produce effects with no influence of force behind them, and if my theory is true, it is feasible that defenses such as Preta Path, the Yata Mirror, or any other ability that absorbs or nullifies chakra (or even one that sends it away) would remove the chakra projection which would cause Kamui or Genjutsu to activate.

This would take extreme skill and timing, but it would work under that situation.

 

[Yatori]

How about FTG?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Logically both Genjutsu and Kamui require some sort of chakra to manifest their effects, similarly to how CT requires a ball of chakra to pull the earth around it.

So my theory is that the sharingan simply "projects" minute chakra through the air, similar to Amaterasu albeit with standard chakra of a barely noticeable amount, which then produces whatever effect.

Unless Kishimoto is creating physics humans can't even comprehend, Kamui and genjtsus can't produce effects with no influence of force behind them, and if my theory is true, it is feasible that defenses such as Preta Path, the Yata Mirror, or any other ability that absorbs or nullifies chakra (or even one that sends it away) would remove the chakra projection which would cause Kamui or Genjutsu to activate.

This would take extreme skill and timing, but it would work under that situation.

It can be supernatural power that not bound by physics of chakra of NV.

 

[Jokule67]

If we knew more about the mechanics behind it, it would be more feasible to counter.

We know exactly how it works already.

You cannot escape it once it starts forming on you. DB says this. Also noone has ever escaped Kamui before.

Only one who has escaped, teleported out of it.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Use Kamui

 

[The Necromancer]

It can be supernatural power that not bound by physics of chakra of NV.

But even supernatural power (that we can comprehend) has to exert a force.

Let's take the example of lifting a boulder with different supernatural methods.

The Force: The Force reaches from the user, to the object, and lifts it.
Magic: Magic extends from the user, to the object, and lifts it.
Bending: Chi extends from the user, to the object, and lifts it.
Chakra: Chakra extends from the user, to the object and lifts it.

I can't think of more examples of that nature, but all effects must have an origin force. Speech is sound waves traveling through air particles. Sight is light traveling through the air and into our eyes to be translated by the brain.

Every event ever comprehensible by humans has an origin force, so Kamui simply opening a hole in the universe without the user having some sort of physical connection to that point in space is literally inconceivable to the human mind. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Jokule67]

Logically both Genjutsu and Kamui require some sort of chakra to manifest their effects, similarly to how CT requires a ball of chakra to pull the earth around it.

So my theory is that the sharingan simply "projects" minute chakra through the air, similar to Amaterasu albeit with standard chakra of a barely noticeable amount, which then produces whatever effect.

Unless Kishimoto is creating physics humans can't even comprehend, Kamui and genjtsus can't produce effects with no influence of force behind them, and if my theory is true, it is feasible that defenses such as Preta Path, the Yata Mirror, or any other ability that absorbs or nullifies chakra (or even one that sends it away) would remove the chakra projection which would cause Kamui or Genjutsu to activate.

This would take extreme skill and timing, but it would work under that situation.

All the chakra thats being formed is only in the Eye itself.

Normal Genjutsu sends out chakra to your brain to control your senses.

Doujutsu, however, hypnotizes the victim.

Kamui literally just bends space/time. I dont believe any chakra is used to actually grab the space/time.

 

[The Necromancer]

All the chakra thats being formed is only in the Eye itself.

Normal Genjutsu sends out chakra to your brain to control your senses.

Doujutsu, however, hypnotizes the victim.

Kamui literally just bends space/time. I dont believe any chakra is used to actually grab the space/time.

That is incomprehensible to the human mind. You're saying no force whatsoever causes the Kamui hole to open? It just.... does. Because... Kamui.

And Genjutsu controls the opponent's brain's chakra. It's not just hypnotism, it's literal bodily manipulation of chakra, nearly similar to Jyuken.

 

[Sir Blades]

Logically both Genjutsu and Kamui require some sort of chakra to manifest their effects, similarly to how CT requires a ball of chakra to pull the earth around it.

So my theory is that the sharingan simply "projects" minute chakra through the air, similar to Amaterasu albeit with standard chakra of a barely noticeable amount, which then produces whatever effect.

Unless Kishimoto is creating physics humans can't even comprehend, Kamui and genjtsus can't produce effects with no influence of force behind them, and if my theory is true, it is feasible that defenses such as Preta Path, the Yata Mirror, or any other ability that absorbs or nullifies chakra (or even one that sends it away) would remove the chakra projection which would cause Kamui or Genjutsu to activate.

This would take extreme skill and timing, but it would work under that situation.

That is an interesting theory, the problem is that we have not been provided with evidence of any jutsu using minute chakra.
We also have to take in to consideration that kamui has the same "speed" of activation no matter the distance of the object as long as its in the field of vision of the user. If we go by your theory that would mean that the user is shooting chakra a near instant speed at the opponent with doesnt seem feasible in any way.
Very good theory nonetheless.

 

[The Necromancer]

That is an interesting theory, the problem is that we have not been provided with evidence of any jutsu using minute chakra.
We also have to take in to consideration that kamui has the same "speed" of activation no matter the distance of the object as long as its in the field of vision of the user. If we go by your theory that would mean that the user is shooting chakra a near instant speed at the opponent with doesnt seem feasible in any way.
Very good theory nonetheless.

With so little evidence, there's no way to answer this, but that's why it's a theory.

If you replace nothingness with an invisible CT core as the mechanism behind Kamui, everything seems to make a little more sense.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

How about FTG?

Yes FTG works. One S/t technique works on another. Minato avoided Kamui by teleporting away.

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