Wheres your proof that Sasuke lost the physical battle? Didn't it end with them both being unable to continue fighting at the same time?
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Sasuke didn't use SEVERAL of his abilities, even though using them would be very effective. Do me a favor and count them.
Aside from not using Genjutsu he also made him conveniently lose his sword which he had/used in every battle be had since the start of Part Two, right before fighting Naruto.
Can't have them match each other in Taijutsu for a whole day if Sasuke has a Sword to easily end things quickly
Also, Kishimoto wants his Rasengan and Chidori clashes.
- During the Final Rasengan and Chidori clash, instead of using Enton Chidori, he could have extended his Chidori as he and Naruto were charging towards each other, then slash him.
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In his battle against Bee, from a distance and with little reaction time, he easily extended Chidori and it sliced through the Hachibi's tentacle like butter.
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- Or he could have used Chidori Spear or Senbon to hit Naruto from a distance.
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There was no need to get in close range with Enton Chidori. But Kishimoto likes his Rasengan and Chidori clashes. Can't end without it.
If he's going to attack from close up then Chidori Stream is best suited for that. It's both an attack and defense.
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What would Naruto do to counter Sasuke if he used those abilities. Prove that he would survive.
You must be trolling, or perhaps you're actually this dumb? How was that fanfic? Literally, all i did was mention the techniques he didn't use, post the manga/databook pages to them showing/describing the techniques, and based on that, i mentioned the moments where using it would have been very effective.
Whilst falling in the air Sasuke summoned and threw 3 Shuriken which each took out a clone.
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Such superb accuracy even whilst tired. Plus hitting Naruto with his Sword would be easier given the size. A sword swing to hit a guy right infront of you doesn't require as
much precision as hitting a target from a distance with a small object.
By the way, Naruto is the one who was so tired that he tripped.
Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa
Sasuke fans need to stop this routine of hype beasting him and then use an opponent being a jin, having a partner, or him missing something inconsequential as a reason he can't tcb. If Sasuke is every bit as good as you say he is, none of that would matter.
Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa
Naruto and Kaguya are both stronger than Sasuke, whether or not he does or doesn't know how to use the rennigan.
But if you're going to act like Sasuke wasn't at full power, then neither was Naruto, given that he was fighting for a much, much longer time than Sasuke, and granted how he did the majority of fighting against Kaguya anyways, not to mention the fact that Naruto wasn't even trying to kill Sasuke while the latter was trying to kill the former.
Furthermore, Naruto had chakra from all the Bijuu aswell. The mode he's in requires it, hence the Gudoudama. Obito and Madara attained it aswell when they got chakra from all the Bijuu.
hagoromo and hamura used six paths senjutsu without tailed beast powers...kishimoto has stated that six paths senjutsu is a result of the tailed beasts not once.
Naruto used the rest of their chakra against Sasuke, and never had it replenished, which is why he hasn't entered that mode since
Re: Who's more lucky that Sasuke was new to the Rinnegan & lost his Sword?Kaguya orNa
Ive read the OP, is this thread about how sasuke is stronger than naruto or speculating how sasuke "should've won against naruto in VOTE " ? I'm confused
No there isn't. There's a recharge after he travels through Kaguya's dimension, but switching locations with another object is something he's done with ease.
Don't use outside logic. Use in story logic. Naruto vs Sasuke. His abilities and skills against Sasuke's abilities and skills. Sasuke clearly comes out as superior.
- Against Itachi Sasuke summoned and threw a massive amount of Shuriken within seconds.This and the next few pages.
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Against Naruto he only summoned and threw 3 Shuriken literally as he was falling to the ground, which each took out an entire clone. Then he got up, activated Chidori and charged at what he thought was the real Naruto. The clone stopped his arm and he was punched by the real Naruto.
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Instead of charging at him with Chidori, he could have easily summoned more shuriken and safely threw them from a distance. That's efficient. He would conserve chakra and physical energy, and wouldn't have to worry about being hit himself.
- Aside from not using Genjutsu, Chibaku Tensei, and Bansho Tenin on Naruto, even though he easily did so against all the Bijuu.
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There's several other abilities that he didn't use even though they would have been very effective.
- During the Final Rasengan and Chidori clash, instead of using Enton Chidori, he could have extended his Chidori as he and Naruto were charging towards each other, then slash him.
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In his battle against Bee, from a distance and with little reaction time, he easily extended Chidori and it sliced through the Hachibi's tentacle like butter. This/the next page.
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- Or he could have used Chidori Spear or Senbon to hit Naruto from a distance.
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There was no need to get in close range with Enton Chidori. But Kishimoto likes his Rasengan and Chidori clashes. Can't end without it.
If he's going to attack from close up then Chidori Stream is best suited for that. It's both an attack and defense.
Funny way to divert from the points i made on how having/using his Sword would have been very effective. One of the points that i made showed that Sasuke could have killed Naruto in the very beginning of the battle.
Anyway, Naruto and Sasuke are equal in power. Sasuke used the Bijuus chakra so he could overpower him, which he did til the Kyuubi gave Naruto all the Natural Energy above ground. NE is combined with the users chakra to create Senjutsu, which futher powers the user up.
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When Sasuke got his boost, Naruto got one just a few pages later. So it's funny that you forgot about it, or perhaps you choose to not mention it to act like Naruto is Superior?
A big difference between the power up they got during their battle is that Sasuke attained the chakra on his own, while Naruto had the Kyuubi gather and give him chakra while he was busy fighting their opponent.
Furthermore, Naruto had chakra from all the Bijuu aswell. The mode he's in requires it, hence the Gudoudama. Obito and Madara attained it aswell when they got chakra from all the Bijuu.
Naruto used the rest of their chakra against Sasuke, and never had it replenished, which is why he hasn't entered that mode since.
Also, the Bijuus were used throughout the whole war. First as part of the Edo Jins, then by 3 different Jinchuriki - Obito, Madara and Kaguya. Their chakra was used to cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi by Madara, Kaguya used it to open portals and switch dimensions several times, the latter of which was stated to even be costly for her, The Goddess of Chakra who also had the Shinjuu Tree itself powering her.
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And she used their chakra to form a single massive Gudoudama as an attempt to create a whole new dimension. Sasuke only absorbed a PORTION of what was left, not even all of it. Which includes the Yang Kyuubi, whom ran out of chakra multiple times when Naruto had him. Naruto had the Yin Kyuubi starting from the Sage power up.
By the way, the Kyuubi is the Strongest Bijuu. Remember when Tobi used several Fully Transformed Bijuu to create a single massive Bijuu Bomb? BM Naruto easily matched it, since then he has had multiple power ups.
Plus Naruto had portions of all their chakra aswell.
Sasuke fans need to stop this routine of hype beasting him and then use an opponent being a jin, having a partner, or him missing something inconsequential as a reason he can't tcb. If Sasuke is every bit as good as you say he is, none of that would matter.
Why not point out facts? I prefer not to selectively read. Even with Naruto having the Kyuubi, with or without Sasuke having his Sword or Rinnegan mastery, he still was very capable of killing Naruto. Read my above points to Warlocks.
Why even state something so obvious as Kaguya being stronger than Sasuke? That's clear, and i never stated otherwise. I only noted how given the situation, Sasuke wasn't as effective against her as he could have.
Naruto and Sasuke are equal in power. Actually notice the details of the story and how Kishimoto portrayed his characters.
- Indra and Ashura inherited half of the Sage's power.
- Naruto and Sasuke are their reincarnations, and were given half of his power
- Rasengan=Chidori
- Kyuubi Avatar=Susano'o
- Both got a power up during the battle, and still matched each other
- Indra's Arrow=The Double RasenShuriken
- Both matched each other in Taijutsu for a whole day
- Both ended up unable to contine to fight at the same time
- Battle ended with then both being in the exact same condition
If Naruto was stronger, the difference wouldn't be big enough for Sasuke to have a chance to win.
Anyway, take a look at the points i made above to Warlock. With or without his Sword, and Mastery of the Rinnegan, Sasuke is superior to Naruto.
But if you're going to act like Sasuke wasn't at full power,
Ive read the OP, is this thread about how sasuke is stronger than naruto or speculating how sasuke "should've won against naruto in VOTE " ? I'm confused
It was about who was more lucky against Sasuke, Kaguya or Naruto. With his Sword and or Rinnegan mastery, he would have fared better against them both.
No there isn't. There's a recharge after he travels through Kaguya's dimension, but switching locations with another object is something he's done with ease.
And I stated that he had a cooldown because he used Ameno to travel through Kaguya's dimension. Merely swapping places with another object in the normal world wouldn't warrant a cooldown. Upon awakening his powers, Sasuke did that with relative ease.
And I stated that he had a cooldown because he used Ameno to travel through Kaguya's dimension. Merely swapping places with another object in the normal world wouldn't warrant a cooldown. Upon awakening his powers, Sasuke did that with relative ease.
Swapped places with his sword and immediately used Ameno twice afterwards.
He only needed to go on cooldown after he swapped places with Sakura's jacket and transporting Sakura, Obito, and himself outside of Kaguya's dimension. That certainly proves that Sasuke traveling through her dimensionis what weakens his ocular powers and actually, he wasn't on cooldown after he swapped places with Sakura's jacket which debunks your entire argument. He can certainly use Ameno frequently, the only issue is using it to travel through Kaguya's Dimension as in Gaiden, Sasuke stated that it consumed too much chakra to do so.
Swapped places with his sword and immediately used Ameno twice afterwards.
He only needed to go on cooldown after he swapped places with Sakura's jacket and transporting Sakura, Obito, and himself outside of Kaguya's dimension. That certainly proves that Sasuke traveling through her dimensionis what weakens his ocular powers and actually, he wasn't on cooldown after he swapped places with Sakura's jacket which debunks your entire argument. He can certainly use Ameno frequently, the only issue is using it to travel through Kaguya's Dimension as in Gaiden, Sasuke stated that it consumed too much chakra to do so.
So what you're saying is "Ameno" the tech he used to escape the dimension can be spammed with no cooldown as long as he's not traveling dimensions? The same "Ameno" he used more chakara for correct?
