What kind of stupid logic is that.... Her strength =/= fast react CQC speed. She couldn't even handle kabuto in cqc and you expect me to believe she can dish on someone who held his own against kakashi cqc feats? Doesnt need to overpower her, all he needs to do is immobilized her and take her heart out. The ***** doesn't even use clones or long range attacks, she's just asking for it.
These are just her charging in with speed, not what I'm referring to. I'm talking about actual CQC. Her punches or kicks will not one shot all of kakuzu 4 hearts asap and even if she could react fast enough to dodge some of the hair or extended arm his phase 2 form could still go underground and grab her by surprise. Thou i wonder if her chakra scalps could cut through it?
I see. My answer would be something like this. Tsunade's portrayal has changed dramatically from Part 1 to the War Arc. The canon points out that she hadn't stayed on top of her skills while in retirement.
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But note the difference in Part 1 v War Arc Stamina
Part 1 Tsunade had the chakra to heal her muscles, use ranshinsho, summon katusuyu and use the first stage of Creation Rebirth
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War Arc Tsunade had the chakra to Use First Stage Creation Rebirth, Heal and refill Oonoki and Gaara's Chakra supply, Heal Mei, Tank Yasaka Magatama, Dragon Song, Three Susanoo swords to the gut via byakugou, and power the super jinton all whilst fighting through the night.
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The Height of Part 1 Tsunade's Strength most notable feats involved destroying a wall and lifting Gamabunta's sword.
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The height of War Arc Tsunade's Strength is breaking through Madara's Susanoo. A feat that a Chou Oodama Rasengan couldn't accomplish nor could Ay with the help of Heavy Weight Jutsu couldn't accomplish.
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The height of her foot speed in Part 1 allowed for a blitz of Shizune, reaction to Kabuto, and her attack on Manda
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The height of her foot speed in Part 2 allowed her to have combo attacks with Ay, to block Dragon Song before Mei could respond, and to kill a clone of Madara that all the gokage believed to be the real thing.
If we allow those instances to be analogous to her skills overall then we could agree
that Part 1 Tsunade <<<< War Arc Tsunade. But it may also suggest that her CQC speed had increased.
There are hints to this fact. A Madara being actively attacked by two different kage guarded against Ay's punch. Yet A Clone Madara that showed every intention of avoiding Tsunade's attack took the her hit.
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When Tsunade was fighting her set of clones she took damage yes, but managed to get behind one of the clones despite being outnumbered.
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When she moved to tank Dragon Song her arms used enough force and speed to send the attack flying the other way.
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This combined with our analogy serves to show that her CQC speed is in fact not slow. Consider this point further. There were two taijutsu kage's present. When they attempted to seal Madara, Ay was not the one who was chosen to push him in CQC.
What kind of stupid logic is that.... Her strength =/= fast react CQC speed. She couldn't even handle kabuto in cqc and you expect me to believe she can dish on someone who held his own against kakashi cqc feats? Doesnt need to overpower her, all he needs to do is immobilized her and take her heart out. The ***** doesn't even use clones or long range attacks, she's just asking for it.
I don't think that is what he meant. I think he was referring to her having the strength to yank Kakuzu given she had the strength to lift Gamabunta's sword.
Now one of Tsunade's most dangerous techniques and the largest weakness with touching Tsunade is Ranshinsho.
Body Pathway Derangement (乱身衝, Ranshinshou)
Ninjutsu, A-rank, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)
User: Tsunade
Disturbing body control by severing the pathways of [brain←→body] information flow!!
[pictures of Kabuto discovery his loss of body control]
↑One's own body moves in any way, except how one wants it to move...!? For the common shinobi, battle, not to mention even just walking, will become impossible
An attack that severs the control threads with a flash of lightning
[picture of Tsunade hitting Kabuto with this technique]
↑As soon as strike of the hand lands, electricity is poured into the enemy's nervous system, severing the signals!!
By transforming the chakra within one's body and giving it the properties of electricity, one creates an electric field. By pouring this into the nervous system of one's opponent, one deranges their body control! An extremely high-level technique, used as a medical ninjutsu. The human body is controlled with electrical signals from the brain, but a person who had those electrical signals cut off with this technique will become unable to make their body move as they want. Because she's an expert in medical treatments, Tsunade was able to master this technique.
Tsunade simply has another option besides yanking Kakuzu should his threads grab her. Namely, she could short circuit his nervous system once he makes contact.
All of this is without the fact that Tsunade uses four elements.
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These elements are largely featless, save Raiton in which she used an A rank technique. However, given her portrayal as higher than jonin level, being kage level, and among the sannin it'd be unlikely that she had pitiful ninjutsu especially given her 5 in the databook. Further evidence of this is that all that survived to the end of the war prior to the hokages arrival used a Doton jutsu, yet that did not qualify them as being Earth Natured as far as the databook is concerned.
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Thus, we can reason that proficiency and diversity of techniques are needed to achieve that distinction.
Katsuyu too adds far more complication as its acid would melt through Kakuzu.
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What kind of stupid logic is that.... Her strength =/= fast react CQC speed. She couldn't even handle kabuto in cqc and you expect me to believe she can dish on someone who held his own against kakashi cqc feats? Doesnt need to overpower her, all he needs to do is immobilized her and take her heart out. The ***** doesn't even use clones or long range attacks, she's just asking for it.
Maybe if you read arguments people presented to you, you would stop making dumb comments like @bold
Since you dont want to read arguments there is not point in explaining why you are wrong. I quoted you two different times talking about two different topics. Her strength and her speed.
Also that was not a wall of text. A wall of text is one giant paragraph with no breaks in it.
Honestly besides stamina nothing really can be considered concrete proof that anything changed from part one :lol she fought in one 1v1 battle only throughout the manga in which she could barely top Kabuto.
In part two she simply abused her healing multiple times but still never showed any impressive evasive feats despite that being a medical ninja's forte.
Why people believe her CQC feats are top tier is beyond me.
Its not even a easy win. Tsunade and Sakura have means of making this fight go on very long and even winning. But Akatsuki mostly take it because of Deidara.
Its not even a easy win. Tsunade and Sakura have means of making this fight go on very long and even winning. But Akatsuki mostly take it because of Deidara.
Oh don't worry I fully agree. The only thing I ever think about in a deidara matchup is C3 I believe it is? The only person of the two I could see beating it would be Tsunade with her raiton. which would have her lose sakura at that point maybe.
Overall Idk how byakugo would react to the body simulating being eaten away by microscopic explosives.
When I say they lose, the end result would be a dead kakuzu and a Deidara pushed to at least the technique im talking about which is pretty late on because hes too arrogant to hit with the best first off and that could also be his downfall but lets pretend it isn't.
Oh don't worry I fully agree. The only thing I ever think about in a deidara matchup is C3 I believe it is? The only person of the two I could see beating it would be Tsunade with her raiton. which would have her lose sakura at that point maybe.
Overall Idk how byakugo would react to the body simulating being eaten away by microscopic explosives.
When I say they lose, the end result would be a dead kakuzu and a Deidara pushed to at least the technique im talking about which is pretty late on because hes too arrogant to hit with the best first off and that could also be his downfall but lets pretend it isn't.
