Est Why KCM & BM Arent Boroowed Power

[The Necromancer]

As I said before, its pointless to argue as we won't come to a conclusion as I do not share your opinion. Can we leave it at that and not drag this any further?

I wouldn't have minded whenever you decided to leave. It's your life.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I wouldn't have minded whenever you decided to leave. It's your life.

Thank you so much.

 

[Demonic.]

Summons and Edo Tensei are not legitimate.

So you want to say that the transition from one's own power to borrowed power is equally correlated with effort?

So if Naruto befriended Kaguya without any effort, it would be borrowed power while if Sasuke had to smooth talk Kaguya for years it would be earned? Where's the logic in that?



And I don't like talking to people who can't understand the most simple of arguments.

If Naruto's not doing it alone, it's borrowed power. Period.

Hell yeah my ninja, even Kishi says so tbh tbh

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[ComplexCity]

Hell yeah my ninja, even Kishi says so tbh tbh

So what's the definition of one's power

 

[The Necromancer]

Hell yeah my ninja, even Kishi says so tbh tbh

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So what's the definition of one's power

Anything one shinobi can do alone without interference by another conscious entity.

 

[Sage konohamaru]

don't spam!!!!!!

 

[To Whatever]

How is it borrowing when he doesnt give it back?

 

[The Necromancer]

How is it borrowing when he doesnt give it back?

It's just an expression. It's more akin to "given power" or a "handout" than it is to "borrowed" though.

 

[NarutoX28]

Summons and Edo Tensei are not legitimate.

So you want to say that the transition from one's own power to borrowed power is equally correlated with effort?

So if Naruto befriended Kaguya without any effort, it would be borrowed power while if Sasuke had to smooth talk Kaguya for years it would be earned? Where's the logic in that?

That logic is flawed because Sasuke gaining Kaguya's cooperation is not actually an ability whereas Naruto's Bijuu Mode is which is referred to as such in the databook. Naruto being able to not only just tap into Kurama's Chakra, but also being able to establish a link with Kurama and maintain it depends on the ability of the user, so Naruto earned it.

To be honest, might as well claim how Sage Mode isn't a legitimate source of power because the user is borrowing energy from an outside source, the atmosphere.

I agree that it's a borrowed power, but I disagree with it not being a legitimate source of Naruto's power.

 

[The Necromancer]

I agree that it's a borrowed power, but I disagree with it not being a legitimate source of Naruto's power.

We're saying literally the same thing then.

 

[To Whatever]

It's just an expression. It's more akin to "given power" or a "handout" than it is to "borrowed" though.

It would be a gift. Not a handout or given power in terms of it being free.

 

[NarutoX28]

We're saying literally the same thing then.

I guess. I just wanted to make it clear that I believe Bijuu Mode is a legitimate power-up because implying it's "borrowed" gives a negative connotation.

 

[HENI]

When Naruto fought people the kyuubi always had his back. When he fought Sasuke he had the kyuubi and still lost. When neji had his ass on the corner the kyuubi said "you're lucky you have me biiitchh". The title shouldn't be Naruto. It should be Kurama. He saved his ass so many times. Even Luffy from One Piece fights with his power. He don't need no ugly ass monsters inside of him. Naruto is weak , " I got friends, they got my back. " Naruto don't even know everyone's names. He just calls them friends. Even when he tried to get the kyuubi chakra his mom helped him. Yondaime stopped naruto from releasing the seal. Sasuke is badass. He gets his own powers. When Sasuke left the village Naruto stayed like "oh I have friends!" Sasuke earned his own Sharingans from one comma to 3 comma to Ems to Rinnegan.

 

[The Necromancer]

I guess. I just wanted to make it clear that I believe Bijuu Mode is a legitimate power-up because implying it's "borrowed" gives a negative connotation.

Right. "Borrowed Power" doesn't extend into the contexts of the manga. Naruto can get the job of murdering some done as ****. There are only a handful of people in the world who could fight Naruto and survive, let alone win.

But outside of the manga, when judging characters by their "power" and "strength," it's hard to say Naruto (or any character who uses borrowed powers) is better than another character who does not use borrowed powers, as even a 3 year old with a big enough handicap can beat Tiger Woods in a game of golf and LeBron James in a game of basketball.

So to say Naruto > ______ because he has a chakra demon who makes him good is foolish in my (and anyone who doesn't respect borrowed powers') opinion.

It would be a gift. Not a handout or given power in terms of it being free.

I don't see a difference between the term gift and handout... or even free powerup.

But it's irrelevant, as they all imply Naruto receiving help from an outside source, my feelings and beliefs about which I summarize above.

 

[Styles]

I don't know if this was filler or not, but in part 2 it is also suggested that not everybody can sustain a tailed beast in them. The host of Hachibi before Bee died because of Hachibi's overwhelming power. Yet a young Bee was able to contain the tailed beast.

That chick in your avatar look like a girl i use to go to school with. _@:

KCM is sort of what Sasuke does with the Rinnegan in a sense, but BM is a definite stretch. Lmao it even says in the DB that Naruto borrows power from Kurama in the Last version.

This.

 

[Devauzamaki]

When Naruto fought people the kyuubi always had his back. When he fought Sasuke he had the kyuubi and still lost. When neji had his ass on the corner the kyuubi said "you're lucky you have me biiitchh". The title shouldn't be Naruto. It should be Kurama. He saved his ass so many times. Even Luffy from One Piece fights with his power. He don't need no ugly ass monsters inside of him. Naruto is weak , " I got friends, they got my back. " Naruto don't even know everyone's names. He just calls them friends. Even when he tried to get the kyuubi chakra his mom helped him. Yondaime stopped naruto from releasing the seal. Sasuke is badass. He gets his own powers. When Sasuke left the village Naruto stayed like "oh I have friends!" Sasuke earned his own Sharingans from one comma to 3 comma to Ems to Rinnegan.

How on earth did Sasuke earned amateratsu, ems, and rinnegan. -___- it was given to him

 

[ComplexCity]

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Anything one shinobi can do alone without interference by another conscious entity.

Sorry the majority will disagree with you and state that the Kyubi was Madara's power at the time of possession. I specified one's power as well. Think I will agree with the side in which the dictionary's definition of power supports

 

[UnknownJin]

Huge amount of stamina is needed to control large amounts of chakra as mentioned in part 1. Uzumaki have the body to host bijuus with no side effects unlike the rest of NV.

There were other jin who didnt have stamina of Uzumaki and still they were the hosts.

 

[LoZelda101]

"Took it by force"

Thanks to kushina chaining his leg.

 

[Uchiha boii]

This thread is dumb af and pointless if naruto wasnt a jin could he do kcm or bm ? No then yes its borrowed power