Lol so are you telling me that a manga tagged echhi and shounen wont have the respective themes?Echhi is a very easy tag and like I said why are you so confident that FT level FS is in minority?Have you counted how many shounens are there?And you have checked each manga and judged that FT level FS is in minority?Bcoz from what i can say you only have knowledge of mainstream shounens and thats why you are telling that FT is in minority.I have already shown you that the magazine FT is published in has 8 out 14 ecchi mangas and I have read 6 out of them.I can tell that they have the same level of fs as ft does.
For males being shirtless is considered FS.Both Laxus and Erza were done in a sexual way but you noticed Erza one bcoz you are a male.Also the fact that shirtless is apparently considered badass.
Bleach has youruichi ass shots on chapter she was fighting.Its same as erza's panty shot but hating FT bcoz of fs is apparently a trend.And like I said it doesnt matter if its FS is in minority or majority, 300+ chapters have passed with this kind of FS and people still ***** about it.
Just because a manga is labelled as ecchi, doesn't mean it has as much FS as FT. I think that's where you seem to misunderstanding and you should refer to my first post here. SnS, a series that can be labelled as ecchi given the overboard FS, still doesn't have as much FS as FT since SnS uses them mainly in specific parts, i.e food reactions. How do I know which series is that FT level FS is in the minority when it comes to shonen? Perhaps taking a look at the magazines with the biggest rosters of manga titles show that the majority don't have large amounts of FS? Remember, you had this assumption that shonens are for ages 15+ but that's totally false. It can be aimed for kids and there's many shonen titles for kids.
I don't have a knowledge of only mainstream shonens. Not sure where you got that assumption from either, my avatar/sig? Lol. I would also like to know... Why are you also so confident that there's many shonens that have the same level of FS as FT? Males being shirtless isn't considered as FS necessarily. If that was the case then manly series like Fist of the North Star, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (parts 1-3), Toriko, Kinnikuman, etc. would be considered ecchi/FS heavy. That's totally not true. Why? It's not done with the intentions of sexualizing them for the pleasure of the opposite *** readers; it is used to make them more badass. No, the way it's done with Erza vs Laxus is obvious which is done with the intentions of pleasing the audience given how the manga panels are presented.
Why do you keep up bringing up the fact that hating FT is a trend? Are you assuming that I'm hating? It just shows that how biased you are towards the series and will do anything to defend this topic. I'm not complaining about it entirely! I'm telling you that it's wrong to assume that most shonens have a FS level of FT.
What are you talking about? You implied that ovas tend to have a lots of fan-service, you didn't mention anything about ecchi, just straight out anime ovas
What do u mean? In terms of perverted stuff? It is an ova after all so of course stuff like that happens.
Also no, shounen animes are not the only ones that have 14 year girls, there are many seinen mangas as well shoujo mangas out there that have 14 year old fanservice.
Because I can give criticism regardless of whether you find them justifiable or not, Not to mention I read the manga, I dropped the anime long ago
Also wendy was never stripped in the manga as far as I remmeber, nor did fan-service focus on her much, hiro knew better.
It will be good riddance tothis section complaining if you watch carefully? This both of us, you wont spread the hate nor will you need to get bothered with fanservice anymore.
No thank you. I can give my opinion on shit and describe it as I like as long as I'm not breaking rules, now if my criticism is too harsh for you then it is way better if you ignore my comments that include my opinions and viewpoints instead of desperately trying to justify how stripping a 13 years old girl must be ok with me cause other echi manga tend to it.
Bad is subjective in this case. Just bcoz you think its bad doesnt necessarily makes it bad.
400+ chapters and people are still complaining about FS.
And how was I being objective with my original comment? if you can't read for yourself then let me re-state my older quote:
Now if you find stripping a kid funny then cool, I couldn't care less, I've seen worse. But don't try and justify why I personally should find it funny or ok
All I there is to this discussion is you trying to force your sense of "humor" on me right now. I didn't find this shit funny, therefore I shared my dislike by posting my viewpoint, quite simple I think.
Just because a manga is labelled as ecchi, doesn't mean it has as much FS as FT. I think that's where you seem to misunderstanding and you should refer to my first post here. SnS, a series that can be labelled as ecchi given the overboard FS, still doesn't have as much FS as FT since SnS uses them mainly in specific parts, i.e food reactions. How do I know which series is that FT level FS is in the minority when it comes to shonen? Perhaps taking a look at the magazines with the biggest rosters of manga titles show that the majority don't have large amounts of FS? Remember, you had this assumption that shonens are for ages 15+ but that's totally false. It can be aimed for kids and there's many shonen titles for kids.
I don't have a knowledge of only mainstream shonens. Not sure where you got that assumption from either, my avatar/sig? Lol. I would also like to know... Why are you also so confident that there's many shonens that have the same level of FS as FT? Males being shirtless isn't considered as FS necessarily. If that was the case then manly series like Fist of the North Star, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (parts 1-3), Toriko, Kinnikuman, etc. would be considered ecchi/FS heavy. That's totally not true. Why? It's not done with the intentions of sexualizing them for the pleasure of the opposite *** readers; it is used to make them more badass. No, the way it's done with Erza vs Laxus is obvious which is done with the intentions of pleasing the audience given how the manga panels are presented.
Why do you keep up bringing up the fact that hating FT is a trend? Are you assuming that I'm hating? It just shows that how biased you are towards the series and will do anything to defend this topic. I'm not complaining about it entirely! I'm telling you that it's wrong to assume that most shonens have a FS level of FT.
HSDK is a series thats published for shounen demographic and it has ecchi tag.It also has nipples shown.So thats way ahead of FT in terms of fs.So according to that logic FT is somewhere in between, not too much or too less.I have seen SnS and while it doesnt have FT level FS it still has quite a bit of it.But I have already said it you cant just give one example and say FT is in minority bcoz I gave 8 other examples.
I have given you the names of 2 major magazines other than jump and both of them have 15+ demographic.I do agree that shounen can also for be kids but there arent many or atleast you should prove that there are many children friendly shounen that make FT fs in minority level.
I am confident bcoz like I listed already, there are 6 mangas that I have read out of the 8 mangas I mentioned before and they are more or less on the same level as FT fs.I also have read mangas like HSDK that are shounen tagged and have a level above fs than FT.
Jojo series is often considered manly as well as there is a word that most of the fans describe jojo's moment as 'manservice'
Both Laxus and Erza panel were meant to attract the opposite *** but given you are a male and tend to focus on female skin you wont consider Laxus's shirtless shot as regular.I am pretty sure girls wont be bothered with Erza lying there in her underwears much tbh.
Bcoz hating FT is a trend.I dont really care if you like the series or not but you are clearly complaining for wrong reasons.You are complaining of something that FT has for like last 300 chapters,you kno there will always be some kind of fanservice in FT no matter what the situation is yet you are still complaining.
@Flintstones
1)My mistake.I meant that FT is an ecchi series and generally echi series have over the top FS scenes on their OVAs
2)I said mangas not OVAs.And most of the characters are genrally 14 years to begin with in majority of mangas.
3)You are criticising it for something that it has for last 300 chapters.It wont stop having FS and you know it.I am pretty sure anyone with common sense generally stops wasting their time on hating something for so long for the same reason again and again.
4)There are wendy bath scenes and I have already watched the OVA.It has nothing more on wendy FS than it did on the manga.
5)Your criticism is not harsh but stupid.Refer to point 3
Tchh....mattaku!. This is a thread for OVA and let us keep it just like that. I swear I barely notices(except it is a full chapter or it is complete panel) any fanservice of Fairy Tail until someone points out those by linking the particular scans & points them out.
Well...Anyway, to each their own views. So, please stop it already!.
I haven't watched the OVA yet. But I heard Anime Studio added some extra scenes to the canon material.
HSDK is a series thats published for shounen demographic and it has ecchi tag.It also has nipples shown.So thats way ahead of FT in terms of fs.So according to that logic FT is somewhere in between, not too much or too less.I have seen SnS and while it doesnt have FT level FS it still has quite a bit of it.But I have already said it you cant just give one example and say FT is in minority bcoz I gave 8 other examples.
I have given you the names of 2 major magazines other than jump and both of them have 15+ demographic.I do agree that shounen can also for be kids but there arent many or atleast you should prove that there are many children friendly shounen that make FT fs in minority level.
I am confident bcoz like I listed already, there are 6 mangas that I have read out of the 8 mangas I mentioned before and they are more or less on the same level as FT fs.I also have read mangas like HSDK that are shounen tagged and have a level above fs than FT.
Jojo series is often considered manly as well as there is a word that most of the fans describe jojo's moment as 'manservice'
Both Laxus and Erza panel were meant to attract the opposite *** but given you are a male and tend to focus on female skin you wont consider Laxus's shirtless shot as regular.I am pretty sure girls wont be bothered with Erza lying there in her underwears much tbh.
Bcoz hating FT is a trend.I dont really care if you like the series or not but you are clearly complaining for wrong reasons.You are complaining of something that FT has for like last 300 chapters,you kno there will always be some kind of fanservice in FT no matter what the situation is yet you are still complaining.
I already addressed the tags issue, refer to post #11. Remember, I asked you how many shonen titles have as much FS as FT does. Clearly showing one or hell even 50 titles is not enough. Just WSJ alone has had 600+ titles! That difference is overwhelming compared to WSM which has ~140 titles.
For argument sake, even if you were correct about those 8 titles in WSM having the same level of FS as FT, that's still very well in the minority. Well, haven't I addressed those 15+ age demographic point and aren't you making the assumption that you need to have the FS level of FT to appeal towards a 15+ demographic? Not all titles in those magazines have the same level of FS as FT and don't need to have heavy FS to appeal to a 15+ demographic (assuming you were right about it being 15+ demographic). This point also refers to the second magazine you are talking about too, Weekly Shonen Sunday is it?
JoJo manliness was not used to appeal towards the opposite ***; it actually had it's inspiration of having characters with manly features given the time it was published and Kenshiro from Fist of the north star (inspiring Jonathan Joestar physique). By the way, these were WSJ titles at one point! JoJo ran in WSJ for the first 6 parts till moving to Ultra JUMP (seinen) a year after Steel Ball Run's debut. Hokuto no Ken ran in WSJ in it's entire run if I'm not mistaken. The same magazine (WSJ) is the one that you suggested has little to moderate FS! Please, don't use the phrase, "most fans", if you don't have a clue what you're talking about. My point is that it doesn't have heavy FS/ecchi and stop with your ignorant generalizations.
inb4 you say something stupid like, "oh, you don't notice the "manservice" because you're a male."
This transitions to the other point of the whole Laxus vs Erza FS. Aren't you making the awful assumption that you have to be a female to notice male FS? That's not true at all lol. It's the same way you see some female fans complain about FT for sexualizing females. I notice Laxus's character because he's one of my fav's in FT. Laxus being shirtless doesn't always mean that it's intended for FS. With Erza on the other hand, we see panels where the central focus is her ass/panties. It's not exclusive with Erza in this war arc! Does Laxus or other male characters get the same treatment to this extent? Remember, you are talking about a shonen series at the end of the day and it's usually aimed for males so you can use some common sense to answer that question.
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How on earth am I complaining about FT's high amount of FS? My issue is when it's misused and it doesn't happen all the time. Even when it is misused which you yourself admitted that Mashima himself claimed that it did; it's not going to make me drop the series since it's doesn't get in the way of the plot nor does it happen all time. The main argument is how many shonen titles have the same amount of FS as FT. The secondary point was that it's misused at times, note that I never said all or most of the time. The only "complaining" I did was that FT has moments where the FS is misused and given your blinded love for the series, you obviously focused on that.
Most of the anime have 14 years girls and there is fanservice related to them. I dont understand why only people target ft on fanservice, when other mangas and anime have tons of it.
We are talking about ovas, and the main reason you quoted me are ovas, I have never mention fairy tail's manga/anime fanservice in general in this thread, I mentioned wendy's stripping which I found bad as it did not happen in the manga, nor has fanservice ever focus on her
As I said, most animes and mangas don't have 13-14 years girls that strip for comedy, most ecchi shounen manga do, and that;s different
3)You are criticising it for something that it has for last 300 chapters.It wont stop having FS and you know it.I am pretty sure anyone with common sense generally stops wasting their time on hating something for so long for the same reason again and again.
Go ahead, show me wendy's being stripped for 300 chapters. I don;t even think that she was focused upon fanservice-wise let alone being stripped like let's say lucy or erza. It didn't happen, and if it did then it was barely noticeable, but this ova highlights the shit out of it
Most girls are labeled as sexy whenever fanservice is happening but wendy tend to be called "cute" because hiro knows that stripping her would not appeal to many nor would be considered as funny taking the fact that she's still a child and is treated as so by most (gajeel,laxus miraa)
4)There are wendy bath scenes and I have already watched the OVA.It has nothing more on wendy FS than it did on the manga.
Damn its getting tiring.I will just respect my good friend Memonto and will abandon this discussion.Just so you know you can keep your opinion and complain or in your words 'criticize' all you want.I learned that I dont really care.Gonna enjoy the OVA.
