Obama administration issues guidance on transgender access to school bathrooms

[Lightbringer]

Because there are people who pretend to be animals, objects, and even fictional characters.

Anyways, I don't necassairly have a problem with feminine boys or masculine girls, they can act how they want for all I care, it's the fact that they think they're of the opposite *** when their genitalia, and DNA, are what decided that. The term man refers to a male human, as does the term woman refer to a female human.

Is a transman a female human? No.
Is a transwoman a male human? No.

Then that's that. You can't just change the definition of the word. It's like if I called myself a plant even though, by definition, I am not, and no matter how much I insist I am and cry to the government to ban the big meany bigots to stop making fun of me, it won't change the fact that I'm not a plant.

The whole of humanity can call me a plant, with me dressing in green, coloring my skin green, bathing in the sun and taking up whatever from my rear end, with my legs in the dirt, I still will be nothing more than a human.

You can't change the way the universe works, and the universe, or God for me, has declared that men are men and woman are woman, and no amount of emotional turmoil over such things will change that, even if all the world claims as such.

Think of it like this. Remember when the whole world thought the Earth was flat? Did that make the Earth flat? Nope.

Likewise, even if the whole world thought a transwoman is a real woman or a transman is a real man, that won't change the fact that they're not. Words can't change reality.

There's a difference between *** and gender. Transgenders are people who are born into a body that they do not associate with their own gender. It is a social construct, not a biological one.

 

[ComplexCity]

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. There have been cases where people were raised by animals and were feral in nature. These people were helped and some were successful, but very rarely. Yes, these people should still retain their rights as a human and we should do all we can to help them adjust to society. But these people are suffering from the most extreme spectrum of psychological confusion and don't grasp human ideological concepts.

I mean I was just asking you for people who have that thought of being a horse, should it be socially acceptable

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's not really fair to compare situations like that horse mentality to transsexuals. Unlike that horse situation, transsexuals aren't transitioning that far. They're not moving from species to another like a person who thinks they're a horse or a lizard, and they're not transitioning from a human to an inanimate objects like idiots who say "I identify as a fighter jet" as though that's a rhetoric against transsexuals.

Unlike those people, transsexuals have actual options that can bring them closer to the *** they identify as. There are surgeries and hormone treatment that can alter a person's biological aspects to be closer to the opposite ***. And before you twist this, no, I do not mean that a person who was born a woman and undergoes hormone therapy and surgery becomes closer to male than they are female, I mean they become closer to a male post-treatment than they were pre-treatment. There are no methods of actually making a person biologically closer to a lizard or horse and definitely not to an inanimate object, so it's not at all in the same category.

 

[Made in Heaven]

There's a difference between *** and gender. Transgenders are people who are born into a body that they do not associate with their own gender. It is a social construct, not a biological one.

If it's a social construct, then I have no need nor am I obliged to bend over for their fantasies.

 

[Lightbringer]

I mean I was just asking you for people who have that thought of being a horse, should it be socially acceptable

No, because horses aren't humans nor do they abide by human law.

Transgenders are still humans and the only difference is that they are people that believe themselves to be a different gender. Being transgender is not classified as a mental disorder whereas someone believing they are a horse might be.

 

[Lightbringer]

If it's a social construct, then I have no need nor am I obliged to bend over for their fantasies.

You do realize what you just said right? Your own gender is a social construct because you were raised to be a certain way.

The only thing Transgenders are asking for is fair treatment. How is that bending over? What exactly are they doing that is ruining your life?

You're mocking their position which something they deal with every day of their lives. Imagine how that must feel.

 

[The Work]

Not gonna lie. I always wanted to walk in the girls bathroom to see what it's like.

 

[slimreaper]

No, because horses aren't humans nor do they abide by human law.

Transgenders are still humans and the only difference is that they are people that believe themselves to be a different gender. Being transgender is not classified as a mental disorder whereas someone believing they are a horse might be.

Mental illness-any of a broad range of medical conditions (such as major depression, schizophrenia, obsessive compulsive disorder, or panic disorder) that are marked primarily by sufficient disorganization of personality, mind, or emotions to impair normal psychological functioning and cause marked distress or disability and that are typically associated with a disruption in normal thinking, feeling, mood, behavior, interpersonal interactions, or daily functioning

What better describes tranny's than this^^


IF my gender isn't real, how can they feel theirs? How can something be socially constructed and yet felt at the same time? Obviously there's either some biology involved, or you're full of shit. I personally believe you're full of shit because you tend to follow that trend.

 

[Lightbringer]

Mental illness-any of a broad range of medical conditions (such as major depression, schizophrenia, obsessive compulsive disorder, or panic disorder) that are marked primarily by sufficient disorganization of personality, mind, or emotions to impair normal psychological functioning and cause marked distress or disability and that are typically associated with a disruption in normal thinking, feeling, mood, behavior, interpersonal interactions, or daily functioning

What better describes tranny's than this^^


IF my gender isn't real, how can they feel theirs? How can something be socially constructed and yet felt at the same time? Obviously there's either some biology involved, or you're full of shit. I personally believe you're full of shit because you tend to follow that trend.

Yeah well the APA disagrees with you. Go home, you're no longer relevant here.

 

[slimreaper]

Yeah well the APA disagrees with you. Go home, you're no longer relevant here.

"DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care for individuals who see and feel themselves to be a
different gender than their assigned gender."


They're biased. Why are you allowed to cite biased sources but I'm not?


It's a disorder they've just chosen to avoid calling it one to avoid stigmatizing someone. If you pressed anyone from the APA they'd say it's still a disorder.


And you never answered this


IF my gender isn't real, how can they feel theirs? How can something be socially constructed and yet felt at the same time? Obviously there's either some biology involved, or you're full of shit. I personally believe you're full of shit because you tend to follow that trend.

 

[Lightbringer]

"DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care for individuals who see and feel themselves to be a
different gender than their assigned gender."


They're biased. Why are you allowed to cite biased sources but I'm not?


It's a disorder they've just chosen to avoid calling it one to avoid stigmatizing someone. If you pressed anyone from the APA the'yd say it's still a disorder.


And you never answered this


IF my gender isn't real, how can they feel theirs? How can something be socially constructed and yet felt at the same time? Obviously there's either some biology involved, or you're full of shit. I personally believe you're full of shit because you tend to follow that trend.

@Bold The American Psychological Association (APA) is a scientific and professional organization that represents psychologists in the United States.

lol this is why I can't take you seriously. I'm not going to waste my time. Go back to praising Hitler.

 

[slimreaper]

@Bold The American Psychological Association (APA) is a scientific and professional organization that represents psychologists in the United States.

lol this is why I can't take you seriously. I'm not going to waste my time. Go back to praising Hitler.

Firstly I never once praised Hitler, My quoted answer was a sarcastic response purposely taken out of context.


secondly, I've proven their bias. Just because they are government funded doesn't mean they aren't biased.

They say it themselves

" Persons experiencing gender dysphoria need a diagnostic term that protects their access to care and
won’t be used against them in social, occupational, or legal areas."

That's the reason for the change. What better proof is there for bias than this one? Instead of using actual facts, they're changing definitions to avoid hurting people's feelings.


Please, what about this is unbiased?

 

[Lightbringer]

Firstly I never once praised Hitler, My quoted answer was a sarcastic response purposely taken out of context.


secondly, I've proven their bias. Just because they are government funded doesn't mean they aren't biased.

They say it themselves

" Persons experiencing gender dysphoria need a diagnostic term that protects their access to care and
won’t be used against them in social, occupational, or legal areas."

That's the reason for the change. What better proof is there for bias than this one? Instead of using actual facts, they're changing definitions to avoid hurting people's feelings.


Please, what about this is unbiased?

You're done here man. You've already been discredited, as usual.

 

[slimreaper]

You're done here man. You've already been discredited, as usual.

you have no answers as usual.

 

[Marin]

There are no methods of actually making a person biologically closer to a lizard or horse and definitely not to an inanimate object, so it's not at all in the same category.

Soon... :snick:

 

[Avani]

Probably the best article written on this issue:

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[Punk Hazard]

Mental illness-any of a broad range of medical conditions (such as major depression, schizophrenia, obsessive compulsive disorder, or panic disorder) that are marked primarily by sufficient disorganization of personality, mind, or emotions to impair normal psychological functioning and cause marked distress or disability and that are typically associated with a disruption in normal thinking, feeling, mood, behavior, interpersonal interactions, or daily functioning

What better describes tranny's than this^^


IF my gender isn't real, how can they feel theirs? How can something be socially constructed and yet felt at the same time? Obviously there's either some biology involved, or you're full of shit. I personally believe you're full of shit because you tend to follow that trend.

You're right, gender dysphoria is a mental illness because it causes distress. You fix that through surgery and hormone treatment, or at least, you attempt to fix it through surgery and hormone treatment.

 

[slimreaper]

You're right, gender dysphoria is a mental illness because it causes distress. You fix that through surgery and hormone treatment, or at least, you attempt to fix it through surgery and hormone treatment.

That's not the fix. So far we have no fix, but instead of trying to find one like more brain research, we're caving and saying they're fine the way they are. This line of thinking is harmful to actually getting them help. Cutting off their genitals and calling them by a different name isn't helping.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's not the fix. So far we have no fix, but instead of trying to find one like more brain research, we're caving and saying they're fine the way they are. This line of thinking is harmful to actually getting them help. Cutting off their genitals and calling them by a different name isn't helping.

That's just like your opinion man

Transgenders are considered to have a mental disorder. How is someone believing that he/she is a horse called a mental disorder, but a man thinking that he is a woman trapped in a man's body not a mental disorder when he has the biological traits (such as a penis) to prove otherwise? I'm guessing your assumption is that transgenderes have a bodily disorder rather than a mental one? And you say that gender is a social construct, so how exactly do you explain little kids believing they are the opposite ***?

The difference is there's no way to make them biologically closer to a horse like you can with transsexuals.

 

[slimreaper]

That's just like your opinion man



The difference is there's no way to make them biologically closer to a horse like you can with transsexuals.

are they really biologically closer though? XX and XY are still present