So Hagoromo specialized in Uchiha Jutsu?

[Obito the supreme jin]

Ur dumb Uchiha and Senju are equal. It's been stated a thousand times. Ur argument is hashi>maddy that's it. If you go by that logic itachi> tsunade so Uchiha is better. Uchiha has produced the strongest ninjas to be honest. Quality wise they have the most.

I am waiting for the 1000 times.

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Again a wrong reference. They weren't equal to the Senju, they were as feared as the Senjus were.

Lmao you are trying to group different Uchihas from different eras and claiming that they are the strongest. It doesn't work that way. You compare the same generations of the clan not different. Hashirama's KKG in itself is superior to anything the Uchiha can produce. This is why he was known as the God of Shinobi.

It is not just Hashirama > Madara, it was the whole clan which was inferior to the Senjus. Senjus > Uchihas. The manga and the databook agree and yet faps deny. An Uchiha will only be stronger than a Senju if they steal his cells and this was also shown in the manga.

Smh these Uchiha faps are annoying when they wank too hard. :lol

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Wrong. It was way more.

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I counted 9. Your move.

 

[Vulpini]

Then it doesn't make sense for Sasuke to advance his lightening to things like Kirin.

Where was the Sharingan Genes before Indra was Born?


Nope. I'ts just Nature transformation

Yeah but as I said how does it make sense for Sasuke to develop Raiton to the extents of Kirin which is way more powerful than his Katon. Unless you want to say it's hereditary which still makes it Uchiha.

Nah. Raiton is Sasuke's nature, particularly.

Uchiha = Katon and that's it. Show me a manga scan where it says Raiton is Uchiha and I'll believe you. :lol

 

[Styles]

I counted 9. Your move.

So all of those shinobi spitting water in the 2nd panel is 9 ? :lol

 

[arv993]

[re annoying when they wank too hard. :lol[/QUOTE]

I am waiting for the 1000 times.

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Again a wrong reference. They weren't equal to the Senju, they were as feared as the Senjus were.

Lmao you are trying to group different Uchihas from different eras and claiming that they are the strongest. It doesn't work that way. You compare the same generations of the clan not different. Hashirama's KKG in itself is superior to anything the Uchiha can produce. This is why he was known as the God of Shinobi.

It is not just Hashirama > Madara, it was the whole clan which was inferior to the Senjus. Senjus > Uchihas. The manga and the databook agree and yet faps deny. An Uchiha will only be stronger than a Senju if they steal his cells and this was also shown in the manga.

Smh these Uchiha faps are annoying when they wank too hard. :lol

U are beyond stupid they are the strongest clan at the time due to hashirama. Hashi can solo his whole clan with maddy and vice versa. Those two made up a huge part of the fighting force. And during tsunades time, yea Uchiha are stronger, itachi negs her hard if u wanna make those arguments. And Izuna was below tobirma and later died so no shit Senju was stronger at that particular point. But overall Uchiha produced stronger Ninja thats a fact.

 

[baul 24]

What's all this Senju>Uchiha BS everybody knows only hashirama was special among them was main reason why that clan existed and existed only when he is alive and completely extinct when he is dead.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

U are beyond stupid they are the strongest clan at the time due to hashirama. Hashi can solo his whole clan with maddy and vice versa. Those two made up a huge part of the fighting force. And during tsunades time, yea Uchiha are stronger, itachi negs her hard if u wanna make those arguments. And Izuna was below tobirma and later died so no shit Senju was stronger at that particular point. But overall Uchiha produced stronger Ninja thats a fact.

Learn how to comprehend the manga kid, Hashirama > Madara but also before his era in the Fedual period the Senjus were stronger than the Uchihas.

You are talking as if the entire clan revolves around Itachi. Yes I know Itachi is an exceptional shinobi, but he also has weaknesses that the Uzumaki members (Senju descendants) can exploit but Tsukuyomi is a killer so it could go either way depending on how Itachi uses it. Shisui, Fugaku are no where near Minato's level. The Uchihas are the strongest clan when the Senjus are practically extinct.

This alone proves that the Senjus were superior to the Uchihas.

The only thing that is actually true is that the Current Uchiha family is stronger than the Current Uzumaki family. I'm sure Vulpini is proud of this fact.

 

[Styles]

Learn how to comprehend the manga kid, Hashirama > Madara but also before his era in the Fedual period the Senjus were stronger than the Uchihas.

You are talking as if the entire clan revolves around Itachi. Yes I know Itachi is an exceptional shinobi, but he also has weaknesses that the Uzumaki members (Senju descendants) can exploit but Tsukuyomi is a killer so it could go either way depending on how Itachi uses it. Shisui, Fugaku are no where near Minato's level. The Uchihas are the strongest clan when the Senjus are practically extinct.

This alone proves that the Senjus were superior to the Uchihas.

The only thing that is actually true is that the Current Uchiha family is stronger than the Current Uzumaki family. I'm sure Vulpini is proud of this fact.

No they weren't. :|

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

No I don't think it ever said that.
Hashirama really didn't change it by a landslide when Madara was somewhere near his equal.

And no we do not know if those Uchiha ganged up on that 1 Senju for all we know 1 Uchiha killed him.

Why would they need to gang up on someone who was scared and like 4-5 years old? So that proves nothing but if you want to go by that then sure.

Not really since for ages whenever the Senju was hired for something the Uchiha was also hired to fight them that continued for ages that proves that they're near equals.

Not really Tobirama was the one scared of Madara. Using unorthodox methods just mean that he took advantage of people when they think the fight is over to attack. He didn't one shot Izuna nor was Izuna equal to Madara. Madara and Hashirama are the only ones that was nearly on par.

In fact you have it backwards.

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No they weren't. :|

Sorry forgot about your first quote so I'll reply to it now.

1. In regards to Taijutsu, they were never equal.

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No, Madara states that Hashirama is stronger as kids. I think this was before Hashi awoken his KKG. This is unkonown but I'm pretty sure he would have used it before to restrain Madara. Even with his 1T Sharingan he acknowledged that Madara was stronger.

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In weaponry and in ninjutsu they were somewhat equal but Hashirama's KKG gives him the advantage.

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Hashirama being Ashura's transmigrant has a much better stamina with his cells compared to Madara. In every fight, they've fought Madara got sweeped. Hashirama changed it by a landslide because they were originally going back and forth between who's stronger but Hashirama as the leader sweeping the record with Madara, the leader of the Uchiha Clan made it convincing that Madara wasn't at all his equal. He got fooled by a wood clone in Base too.

Idk why they would gang up on a little kid but they did. You can't really refute this because you see 5 Uchihas standing right in front of him ready to slash him with the Shurikens.

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This also means they were morally weak and needed each other's support to kill a small boy. The Uchiha lost more members than the Senju. You also had to consider Madara had 5 brothers (4 of them died) meaning that the Uchiha Clan suffered more causalities. This also ties back to how in the Warring States Period both clans suffered a lot of deaths but as the deaths piled up the quality based on skill wnt down on the Uchiha side. Madara steped up and fought a ood fight but pratically the Senjus were too overpowered.

Madara's name represents power so it isn't surprising if people regard him in a very highly manner to explain to others what he has done in the past so that mainly Sasuke doesn't go down his path.

You are wrong on both statements about one shotting Izuna and Madara being stronger than Izuna.

Here's the oneshot.

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Oneshotting refers to the fact how one guy gets his opponent in a move. This is basically what happened. Tobirama used Hirashin slice to finish Izuna off and Madara and Izuna were stated to be equals. BZ oneshotted Madara despite him fighting countless times in the War Arc before that. Also it didn't look like Izuna sustain any injures until Tobirama got him.

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[Styles]

Sorry forgot about your first quote so I'll reply to it now.

1. In regards to Taijutsu, they were never equal.

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No, Madara states that Hashirama is stronger as kids. I think this was before Hashi awoken his KKG. This is unkonown but I'm pretty sure he would have used it before to restrain Madara. Even with his 1T Sharingan he acknowledged that Madara was stronger.

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In weaponry and in ninjutsu they were somewhat equal but Hashirama's KKG gives him the advantage.

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Hashirama being Ashura's transmigrant has a much better stamina with his cells compared to Madara. In every fight, they've fought Madara got sweeped. Hashirama changed it by a landslide because they were originally going back and forth between who's stronger but Hashirama as the leader sweeping the record with Madara, the leader of the Uchiha Clan made it convincing that Madara wasn't at all his equal. He got fooled by a wood clone in Base too.

Idk why they would gang up on a little kid but they did. You can't really refute this because you see 5 Uchihas standing right in front of him ready to slash him with the Shurikens.

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This also means they were morally weak and needed each other's support to kill a small boy. The Uchiha lost more members than the Senju. You also had to consider Madara had 5 brothers (4 of them died) meaning that the Uchiha Clan suffered more causalities. This also ties back to how in the Warring States Period both clans suffered a lot of deaths but as the deaths piled up the quality based on skill wnt down on the Uchiha side. Madara steped up and fought a ood fight but pratically the Senjus were too overpowered.

Madara's name represents power so it isn't surprising if people regard him in a very highly manner to explain to others what he has done in the past so that mainly Sasuke doesn't go down his path.

You are wrong on both statements about one shotting Izuna and Madara being stronger than Izuna.

Here's the oneshot.

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Oneshotting refers to the fact how one guy gets his opponent in a move. This is basically what happened. Tobirama used Hirashin slice to finish Izuna off and Madara and Izuna were stated to be equals. BZ oneshotted Madara despite him fighting countless times in the War Arc before that. Also it didn't look like Izuna sustain any injures until Tobirama got him.

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What does this prove though? Madara and Hashirama sparring Madara said they was on par Hashirama say he's still standing Madara thought before hand and threw the pebble in the air. And both was knocked down.

Madara also said Hashirama is the only one who can fight on par with him as an adult.

Not really just because they're together don't mean they killed a 3-6 year old together. And only 2 of them had their weapons out. For all we know 1 member killed him.

The Uchiha and Senju both lost a lot of people and they got tired of it and did a ceasefire. We do not know which side lost more people that's just speculation on your part.

They've been fighting that whole time Kishi just showed the panel of Tobirama killing him that's not a 1 shot. Besides that he also showed them to be on par as kids or around there. Kishi always does parallels.

Itachi said Madara and Izuna was equals which was a lie. He also said they both awakened their Sharingan and MS together also which was a lie.
Madara awakened his sharingan at age 8-13 and MS later on. Izuna awakened his way before Madara did. Besides Madara in his own words only Hashirama was his equal. And Kishi did parallels on it.
Madara-Hashirama
Izuna-Tobirama
Indra-Ashura
Sasuke-Naruto

Even before Hashirama and Madara was born Senju and Uchiha have been fighting equally for ages.

You also seem to forget the reason he fought Hashirama was to gain his powers for IT. Madara once he left the village was following the Uchiha tablet his only purpose for fighting Hashirama was for his DNA.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

No I don't think it ever said that.
Hashirama really didn't change it by a landslide when Madara was somewhere near his equal.

And no we do not know if those Uchiha ganged up on that 1 Senju for all we know 1 Uchiha killed him.

Why would they need to gang up on someone who was scared and like 4-5 years old? So that proves nothing but if you want to go by that then sure.

Not really since for ages whenever the Senju was hired for something the Uchiha was also hired to fight them that continued for ages that proves that they're near equals.

The Senju were the strongest Clan during the Feudal Era when it was every man/clan for themselves, it was stated in both the Databook and there are Manga scans which prove this. It happened. It is fact, no exceptions.

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Their strength was unmatched, near rivals does not equate equal power or strength and this is factually true.

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(Took five Uchiha to take out this kid).

Bullshit, MS Madara was a ****ton weaker than Hashirama (Tobirama could have beaten him) and even when he gained EMS he was weaker by a ****ing landslide, it took him + Kurama to even make a dent in a Hasirama who had no killing intent for most of the fight (said Hashirama fought the duo in base for an entire night before going SM for the first time in front of Madara). If they were close in power the Uchiha wouldn't have defected at all, nor would they have lost each of the battles they fought against the Senju.

The Uchiha were the ones hired not because they equalled the Senju but because they were the only clan that had even the tiniest piece of hope to stand up against their betters; but we saw how that turned out, right? Especially when it was stated that in the end, the Senju's powers were "unrivalled"; or did we read a different Manga? Because I remember the Uchiha being utterly decimated, with even the second strongest member of the entire clan, Izuna MS Madara's equal, losing to the Senju clan's second strongest. And obviously we don't have to get into Hashirama vs Madara right? Because we saw how the canonical fights went didn't we? You know, the ones without amps or stolen power. It's not even worth the argument. The Senju being superior is common sense given the flash back story in which the Uchiha Clan gave up because they couldn't win against the Senju anymore and denying this is ridiculous.

 

[HashiraMadara]

This kid got no hope, ignore him he does this from butthurt because Uchiha < Senju

 

[HashiraMadara]

The Senju were the strongest Clan during the Feudal Era when it was every man/clan for themselves, it was stated in both the Databook and there are Manga scans which prove this. It happened. It is fact, no exceptions.

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Their strength was unmatched, near rivals does not equate equal power or strength and this is factually true.

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(Took five Uchiha to take out this kid).

Bullshit, MS Madara was a ****ton weaker than Hashirama (Tobirama could have beaten him) and even when he gained EMS he was weaker by a ****ing landslide, it took him + Kurama to even make a dent in a Hasirama who had no killing intent for most of the fight (said Hashirama fought the duo in base for an entire night before going SM for the first time in front of Madara). If they were close in power the Uchiha wouldn't have defected at all, nor would they have lost each of the battles they fought against the Senju.

The Uchiha were the ones hired not because they equalled the Senju but because they were the only clan that had even the tiniest piece of hope to stand up against their betters; but we saw how that turned out, right? Especially when it was stated that in the end, the Senju's powers were "unrivalled"; or did we read a different Manga? Because I remember the Uchiha being utterly decimated, with even the second strongest member of the entire clan, Izuna MS Madara's equal, losing to the Senju clan's second strongest. And obviously we don't have to get into Hashirama vs Madara right? Because we saw how the canonical fights went didn't we? You know, the ones without amps or stolen power. It's not even worth the argument. The Senju being superior is common sense given the flash back story in which the Uchiha Clan gave up because they couldn't win against the Senju anymore and denying this is ridiculous.

You're 90% right Hasirama was >>> Madara.


Tobirama being > Madara = bullshit.

Madara > all then comes Hashirama character built for the sole purpose of being the only person > Madara

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[HashiraMadara]

Bullshit, MS Madara was a ****ton weaker than Hashirama (Tobirama could have beaten him)

Blind Madara with no sharingan or no tomoe >>>> Tobirama.
He is tiers above him. Tobirama was made to be on the levels of Izuna and them all. Madara was a beast >>>>> all senjus! Sharingan or no Sharingan. Even as a kid with no sharingan he was already known by Batsuma Senju as the kid killed many Senju elites :| Hashirama is the only Senju to be > Madara hence My name and Profile HASHIRAMADARA

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

You're 90% right Hasirama was >>> Madara.


Tobirama being > Madara = bullshit.

Madara > all then comes Hashirama character built for the sole purpose of being the only person > Madara

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MS Madara and Tobirama would be around the same level. I never said he was stronger but that he could have beaten him because MS Madara = MS Izuna who Tobirama was either stronger than or on par with. Hashirama was directly the only Shinobi of the era above EMS Madara who was >>> Tobirama and Izuna because EMS Madara is MS Madara + MS Izuna in one single package (but he was still clearly weaker than Hashirama).

Blind Madara with no sharingan or no tomoe >>>> Tobirama.
He is tiers above him. Tobirama was made to be on the levels of Izuna and them all. Madara was a beast >>>>> all senjus! Sharingan or no Sharingan. Even as a kid with no sharingan he was already known by Batsuma Senju as the kid killed many Senju elites :| Hashirama is the only Senju to be > Madara hence My name and Profile HASHIRAMADARA

You mean blinded Rikudou amped Madara right? That would be Madara + Rikudou Chakra + Hashirama XD So no, sorry. MS Madara = MS Izuna who was < Tobirama or = Tobirama. As I said before, Hashirama is the only Senju above EMS Madara. It took five adult Uchiha men to kill Hashirama's and Tobirama's little brother XD So I don't really care much about the "elite" business.

 

[YellowFang]

Not quite,

It were Uchiha who had a share of Hagoromo's actual powers...

 

[Meowazziel]

Raiton and Sharingan?

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Hagoromo specialised in both body powers (shown with his Uzumaki color lifeforce hair and Senjutsu) and in eye powers, like Rinnegan and he is shown with Sharingan (anime), but hasnt been shown specialising in sharingan stuff though.

 

[rich2010]

You didn't get the memo bro? It's Fillerfacts day. Fillerfacts>Mangafacts on thursdays

This just cracked me up. Lolest

 

[Styles]

The Senju were the strongest Clan during the Feudal Era when it was every man/clan for themselves, it was stated in both the Databook and there are Manga scans which prove this. It happened. It is fact, no exceptions.

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Their strength was unmatched, near rivals does not equate equal power or strength and this is factually true.

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(Took five Uchiha to take out this kid).

Bullshit, MS Madara was a ****ton weaker than Hashirama (Tobirama could have beaten him) and even when he gained EMS he was weaker by a ****ing landslide, it took him + Kurama to even make a dent in a Hasirama who had no killing intent for most of the fight (said Hashirama fought the duo in base for an entire night before going SM for the first time in front of Madara). If they were close in power the Uchiha wouldn't have defected at all, nor would they have lost each of the battles they fought against the Senju.

The Uchiha were the ones hired not because they equalled the Senju but because they were the only clan that had even the tiniest piece of hope to stand up against their betters; but we saw how that turned out, right? Especially when it was stated that in the end, the Senju's powers were "unrivalled"; or did we read a different Manga? Because I remember the Uchiha being utterly decimated, with even the second strongest member of the entire clan, Izuna MS Madara's equal, losing to the Senju clan's second strongest. And obviously we don't have to get into Hashirama vs Madara right? Because we saw how the canonical fights went didn't we? You know, the ones without amps or stolen power. It's not even worth the argument. The Senju being superior is common sense given the flash back story in which the Uchiha Clan gave up because they couldn't win against the Senju anymore and denying this is ridiculous.

The same DB that said Hiruzen was the strongest Kage.

If they was fighting way before Madara and Hashirama was born or even their clan leaders proves that they're somewhat on par.

Even then those scans of what Itachi was telling Sasuke was proven wrong.
Madara and Hashirama united when both sides was tired of fighting and killing because they they lost to many people.
Madara was fine with Hashirama becoming 1st Hokage. He left the village because of Tobirama's shit talking about Madara never gonna become Hokage. Even though the village was made already.

And no it didn't take 5 Uchiha to kill that kid the next page clearly shows that 1 Uchiha most likely killed him. But since you want to get technical I guess Senju's jumped Madara's brother's.

That bold don't even need to be replied to when even Tobirama was afraid of Madara. And Madara himself said only Hashirama could stand up to him. And Kurama is Madara's summoning you can't take that away from him.

You remember the Uchiha being utterly decimated yet they've been fighting non-stop for ages back and forth. Yea once Madara left once Izuna was injured that's when the Uchiha gave up Madara was their leader after all.

Izuna and Madara was in no way shape or form equals. They didn't awaken Sharingan together or MS together. That's manga facts Madara awakened his sharingan at 8-13 years old when he severed his ties with Hashirama. It's unknown when Izuna even awakened his sharingan.


Yea we did but I guess you don't know why Madara fought Hashirama now do you? He fought Hashirama to get his DNA for the eye of the moon's plan(IT) because he was following the Uchiha tablet.

But like I said they've always been nearly on par just Hashirama made the difference. But overall Uchiha and Senju are on par.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

The same DB that said Hiruzen was the strongest Kage.

Which was true back then but got retconned. These statements of the Senju Clan haven't. The entire Manga has been saying Senju>>>Uchiha from the start and still said that as far into the Hashirama flashbacks. The fact that you're trying to discredit the canon Databook in this instance is ****ing retarded when the Manga supports it and tells us this.

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If they was fighting way before Madara and Hashirama was born or even their clan leaders proves that they're somewhat on par.

No, you can be fighting for years even if you're not on the same level. It is true that while the Senju were the strongest throughout the Feudal Era it was only until Hashirama that they were OMG stronger, but this doesn't change the fact that the Senju had been stronger still for all these years. Wars between ancient kingdoms could last years and years despite one kingdom being superior by either a large amount or a small amount. It is a fact however that the Senju had been winning more (Madara lost four brother's to the Senju, and a Clan Leader's family typically has the strongest popping in).

Even then those scans of what Itachi was telling Sasuke was proven wrong.
Madara and Hashirama united when both sides was tired of fighting and killing because they they lost to many people.
Madara was fine with Hashirama becoming 1st Hokage. He left the village because of Tobirama's shit talking about Madara never gonna become Hokage. Even though the village was made already.

Madara and Hashirama united after Madara surrendered and the Uchiha couldn't take the beating anymore as they were losing so many of their poeple to the Senju (either through death or defection). :heh:

And no it didn't take 5 Uchiha to kill that kid the next page clearly shows that 1 Uchiha most likely killed him. But since you want to get technical I guess Senju's jumped Madara's brother's.

Prove it than, as that scan shows five of them purposefully ganging up on Hashirama's little brother.

That bold don't even need to be replied to when even Tobirama was afraid of Madara. And Madara himself said only Hashirama could stand up to him. And Kurama is Madara's summoning you can't take that away from him.

Only Hashirama can stand up to EMS Madara, but MS Madara and MS Izuna were around the same pedestal. Tobirama was the fastest Shinobi of that entire era and was considered one of the strongest Shinobi in the world. He managed to beat even Izuna and we saw how strong he was in Edo without even being at full power. As for summoning Kurama, Kurama isn't even a summoning creature, Madara up and put him into a Genjutsu to control him, but this doesn't change a thing as even with Kurama he still lost. And no, Madara said Hashirama was the only one who was stronger than him and also the only one that could beat him, several times. :xD:

You remember the Uchiha being utterly decimated yet they've been fighting non-stop for ages back and forth. Yea once Madara left once Izuna was injured that's when the Uchiha gave up Madara was their leader after all.

Izuna and Madara was in no way shape or form equals. They didn't awaken Sharingan together or MS together. That's manga facts Madara awakened his sharingan at 8-13 years old when he severed his ties with Hashirama. It's unknown when Izuna even awakened his sharingan.

Yeah, this implies the Uchiha weren't weaker right:

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Not awakening the Sharingan at the same time doesn't matter, Itachi got his at age 6-7? But Sasuke grew to be more powerful.

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They didn't have their Sharingan at the same time but they were of similar power.

Yea we did but I guess you don't know why Madara fought Hashirama now do you? He fought Hashirama to get his DNA for the eye of the moon's plan(IT) because he was following the Uchiha tablet.
But like I said they've always been nearly on par just Hashirama made the difference. But overall Uchiha and Senju are on par.

EMS Madara fought Hashirama before VOTE and lost to him when Hashirama was in base.

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They also fought countless hundreds of times but Madara always lost. So you tell me what this ****ing implies? Madara still lost at VOTE and still crapped his pants upon seeing Shinsuusenju for the first time. Hashirama still blasted him into oblivion even when Madara had Kurama.

Nearly on par is not overall equal or even close to being equal. They never were. The Senju were stronger to begin with and dominated the entirety of that period. Hashirama just tipped the scale to OMFG levels but this doesn't change the fact nor change anything.

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