About Hagoromo's eyes

[CamUchiha]

Filler isn't manga fact. Hagoromo only had a Rinnegan in the manga.

Because he wasn't young in the manga! He was portrayed at his full strength being the ten rails jinchuriki

 

[wanderingcactus]

SP really loves to troll.

Why give him normal eyes that look like "bayakugan" when they could've given him his dad's eyes.

Also it only became sharingan due to the dilution. So why did it go from sharingan MS to rinnegan as he is the progenator of sharingan.

basically it is wrong because he is already whole to begin with. he did not have to gain something to get rinnegan.
But I'll keep an open mind as it is not over yet.

My theory is that once he uses senjutsu, it'll turn them into rinnegan.

Still a farfetch though

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

@Underline. I can turn that statement the other way.

Another stupid ass post that I need to counter.

We dont want back story from SP, we want Back story from Kishi in manga.

You're just wasting your time typing all this

I am not wasting my time at all, like i said you being stubborn.

Boruto the new manga is not written by kishi yet many will see it as the continuation of the series as much as they hate the art style.

Listen bredrin, i aint here to make up your mind. But i see it how i see it and i am GLAD we are getting some backstory. As i explained in the post Kaguya was actually Studio Perriots character.

And still, how do YOU know that kishi is not on board with this?? The fact is you do not.

Take a seat.

 

[SenseiSama]

Stop being stubborn and denying MANGA FACTS , you contradicted yourself . You said black zetsu said he awakened the rennigan which means he had a sharingan first and u say its filler . Please stfu filler hater trying to pick anything to make it seem a plothole!!!

No I didn't, he had normal eyes that evolved into Rinnegan it still supports BZ's statement. He already had Yin +Yang chakra so he wouldn't have awakened Sharingan.

 

[Troyg39]

Everyone saying the fillers arent manga fact. Some people saying it simply because they like to say it and are being stubborn.

We are not talking about Road to TenTen here. Or the filler we had to endure when Naruto was on his way to train on Turtle Island. We are not talking about the Ninja Ostrich.

Some filler are to be seen as Canon, as it is an indisputable that Kishi presented us with many plotholes and unanswered questions during his writing of the manga and subsequent running out of time.

So the Itachi 'filler' or the Itachi backstory.
Or the Kaguya 'filler' or the Kaguya backstory.
Itachi in Anbu.

These things have been included specifically for the purpose of rectifying the plotholes that kishi was not able to fill owing to the fact that he ran out of time. How do you know he is not the one helping Studio Perriot with the ideas in these backstories?

Hagoromo had the Sharingan. It makes perfect sense. He later gained the Rinnegan. He also studied and was taught Frog Sage Mode. - even in that sense things are being explained and loose ends/plot holes being tied up.

I am really enjoying this backstory actually.

But i find people on here make me laugh at the same time. I read on so many threads (before the end of the manga) people on here saying "What about the History of the Sage!" and "What about Itachis Story!" as well as "What about what happened to the Uzumakis!!" and many said they'd be cool if these things would be explained even after the ending of the manga.

But now you are getting some explanations you are still complaining, even though it is being presented in such a good way.

Yaaawwn. People just being stubborn now. You are getting the answers you had asked for!

I am not a fan of fillers either! But at least i can see when it serves develop the plot itself. Its basically Canon, hence SP's timing in providing the backstories to us.

So what I'm getting out of this colorful waterfall of text you call a post..is that we should assume the anime is canon even though Kishi doesn't write or script the anime, or even own the rights to it

assume these fillers are made with Kishi's input even though there isn't any known confirmation of his involvement, other than the fact that he doesn't write or script the anime

and assume the fillers are specifically made for unanswered questions Kishi didn't get to in the manga

Yea I totally feel you bro

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

So what I'm getting out of this colorful waterfall of text you call a post..is that we should assume the anime is canon even though Kishi doesn't write or script the anime, or even own the rights to it

assume these fillers are made with Kishi's input even though there isn't any known confirmation of his involvement, other than the fact that he doesn't write or script the anime

and assume the fillers are specifically made for unanswered questions Kishi didn't get to in the manga

Yea I totally feel you bro

If you do not like the colour then you can put on the shades in your profile pic and continue reading. Or you can take a backseat.

I am not telling you to assume anything. I am not telling you to assume that Itachis backstory was canon.

I am not telling you to assume that the many epic battle sequences as included in the anime are canon either because many were not shown that way in the manga.

I am not telling you to assume anything.

Neither am i telling you to assume that Boruto the Movie was canon or that the New Boruto Manga is canon seeing as Kishimoto has nothing to do with it.

What was your point again?

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

People are very ignorant when it comes to fillers and are quick to disregard the information as not viable but people it was displayed to us for a reason so that we could understand the orgins of certain criteria's so that we would not have to debate over stupid shit like this. Not only that but these fillers make complete and logical sense unlike some of the people who just asspull "its not canon" without hard facts on whatever it is your arguing about, there's evidence in fillers, there is no evidence in your complaining about it not being canon. We do not know if kishi was supportive of this but damn why the hell would he add trash ass shit to his manga instead of logical reasons that made sense to important plot characters backgrounds and orgins, people stop being ignorant, some of these backstorys have really reasonable and great backgrounds and for the people who disagree with fillers I have nothing to say to you because we will not see eye to eye on things and you will be wasting your time arguing and or attempting to russell jimmies. You can take what information you want from anime, and I will take information that I want from the anime without *****ing if its canon. That is all.

 

[Styles]

I never said they're born overpowered, but BZ clearly stated he awakened Rinnegan, not a Sharingan. When Hagoromo talks about Indra he doesn't say "Indra was born with my eyes" he makes the distinction between their dojutsu by saying "he was born with powerful eyes".

The Sharingan is evolutionary because Indra inherited his father's dojutsu genes which happen to be the genes for RinneSharingan. But Indra had a Sharingan because he didn't have the chakra for Rinnegan in the first place, as a result he awakened a further devolved state of Kaguya's eye.

In contrast Hagoromo had the chakra for Rinnegan so he would have awakened a Rinnegan directly instead of having to go through Sharingan stages. He would have gone from standard Otsutsuki eyes to Rinnegan.

Because he wasn't talking about himself. He was comparing Indra the genius to Ashura the loser. The manga only said Hagoromo had Rinnegan but it never said he was born with it. Born with sharingan or Byakugan. But Hagoromo having sharingan isn't farfetched since Indra have it. And it was never said that he had a devolved Rinnegan or had Hagoromo's natural eyes. We can only speculate.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

People are very ignorant when it comes to fillers and are quick to disregard the information as not viable but people it was displayed to us for a reason so that we could understand the orgins of certain criteria's so that we would not have to debate over stupid shit like this. Not only that but these fillers make complete and logical sense unlike some of the people who just asspull "its not canon" without hard facts on whatever it is your arguing about, there's evidence in fillers, there is no evidence in your complaining about it not being canon. We do not know if kishi was supportive of this but damn why the hell would he add trash ass shit to his manga instead of logical reasons that made sense to important plot characters backgrounds and orgins, people stop being ignorant, some of these backstorys have really reasonable and great backgrounds and for the people who disagree with fillers I have nothing to say to you because we will not see eye to eye on things and you will be wasting your time arguing and or attempting to russell jimmies. You can take what information you want from anime, and I will take information that I want from the anime without *****ing if its canon. That is all.

They are being stubborn.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Well it was good episode and nicely done. I am happy that we get finally some backstory of Kaguya including a bit life from their children Hagoromo and Hamura. Also I really love what they to do to make ootsutsuki characters more deeper then they were presented in manga. However I dislike fast pacing of hagoromo and Hamura to being grown ups and even lack of Kaguya's bond with them, honestly I would prefer to see it better done with progress like:

babies Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya loving them deeply while doing some dark stuff in background but they are not aware
kids Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya caring about her sons and rasing them up while keep terrorizing people.
early teens Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya caring and loving as they look at to her but sometimes they are not obeying
medium teens Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya feeling bad as they like to hang around a lot of them own so they are esacping from her grasp and she being afraid of them finding out. Hagoromo and Hamura being suspicious
late teens Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya neglecting them a bit while doing anything she was to do. Hagoromo and Hamura find out truth and try to oppose their mother
adults Hagoromo and Hamura - Kaguya want their chakra back as she suspect betrayal as they push and try to influnce her to stop destroying world.

Whole Kaguya's caring and mother side in opposite to her's terryfing pressence and feeling betrayed while wanting their chakra back.

Also the whole Divine ki plot, seems like Kaguya planted it in ground so eventually she would aqcuire great power.

Also I don't like Hagoromo need to go through sharigan-rinnegan evolution. It just steal a bit uniquality and greatness as he was only one stated to master Rinnegan and awoken it through normal eyes. Also Connecting to toad sage mode is also bad, would be better if Hagoromo and Hamura taught frog, snake and snail who are know as nowadays sage animals.

 

[Troyg39]

If you do not like the colour then you can put on the shades in your profile pic and continue reading. Or you can take a backseat.

I am not telling you to assume anything. I am not telling you to assume that Itachis backstory was canon.

I am not telling you to assume that the many epic battle sequences as included in the anime are canon either because many were not shown that way in the manga.

I am not telling you to assume anything.

Neither am i telling you to assume that Boruto the Movie was canon or that the New Boruto Manga is canon seeing as Kishimoto has nothing to do with it.

What was your point again?

The point was that we know for a fact Kishi doesn't script, write, supervise, or even own rights to the anime, which is why it isn't canon. There's no need to assume PS goes out of its way to get Kishi's approval on anything when we already know Kishi legally has no say so in what is done with the anime.

Kishi helped script The Last, and the Boruto movie, which is why they are canon. He's supervising the Boruto manga, which is why it's considered canon. He plays no role in the anime, which is why it isn't considered canon.

But don't mind me bro. If you're happy I'm happy. I'll just be in the backseat with my shades on

 

[Ansatsuken]

I am not wasting my time at all, like i said you being stubborn.

Boruto the new manga is not written by kishi yet many will see it as the continuation of the series as much as they hate the art style.

Listen bredrin, i aint here to make up your mind. But i see it how i see it and i am GLAD we are getting some backstory. As i explained in the post Kaguya was actually Studio Perriots character.

And still, how do YOU know that kishi is not on board with this?? The fact is you do not.

Take a seat.

The same can be ask to you.. How do you know Kishi is in the board, making an involvement?? The fact is YOU DO NOT

Take you entire post and throw it into the garbage bin bcus there were many holes I can exploit.

For Boruto manga, I never said anything or make a comment about it but one thing for you to know that manga is canon to that stories(Boruto manga and Ikemoto) and any filler SP add into Boruto anime will be consider as non-canon

 

[SenseiSama]

Because he wasn't talking about himself. He was comparing Indra the genius to Ashura the loser. The manga only said Hagoromo had Rinnegan but it never said he was born with it. Born with sharingan or Byakugan. But Hagoromo having sharingan isn't farfetched since Indra have it. And it was never said that he had a devolved Rinnegan or had Hagoromo's natural eyes. We can only speculate.

It is because Sharingan and Rinnegan are two separate KKG and he had Yin and Yang chakra. His eye would evolve directly into a Rinnegan without the need to go through Sharingan phase.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

The point was that we know for a fact Kishi doesn't script, write, supervise, or even own rights to the anime, which is why it isn't canon. There's no need to assume PS goes out of its way to get Kishi's approval on anything when we already know Kishi legally has no say so in what is done with the anime.

Kishi helped script The Last, and the Boruto movie, which is why they are canon. He's supervising the Boruto manga, which is why it's considered canon. He plays no role in the anime, which is why it isn't considered canon.

But don't mind me bro. If you're happy I'm happy. I'll just be in the backseat with my shades on

The same can be ask to you.. How do you know Kishi is in the board, make an involvement?? The fact is YOU DO NOT

Take you entire post and throw it into the garbage bin bcus there were many holes I can exploit.

For Boruto manga, I never said anything or make a comment about it but one thing for you to know that manga is canon to that stories(Boruto manga and Ikemoto) and any filler SP add into Boruto anime will be consider as non-canon

Yo, i will answer both you guys at the same time seeing as i am having two conversations about the same thing.

I am not disputing that the filler episodes are 100% under the production of Studio Perriot. and i am not assuming that Kishi is involved either.

However here's my stance on it SIMPLE:

If what Studio Perriot present to us does not in any way take from the manga but actually contributes to it and effectively successfully ties up loose ends in a way that Kishi should have then i will not put it down just because Kishimoto himself did not write the particular script.

Studio Perriot has been working with Kishimoto for many many years and are well versed when it comes to the actual canon which is the manga.

That said, Kishi himself wasted MANY PANELS AND LOTS OF TIME GOING ON AND ON ABOUT RIN and the whole OBITO thing. Taking us into constant pointless flashbacks of Rin and i am sure you can remember almost all of us getting tired of how much he was longing it out.

Maybe if he had spent less time going on about Rin he could have figured out a better way to defeat Madaras character, as well as give us the backstory of the Sage of the Six Paths.

But as he couldnt figure out a way of defeating Madara and was constantly going on about RIN, Studio Perriot stepped in with the idea of Kaguya; bearing in mind Kishi was running out of time on his contract.

So Kaguya was a character suggested by Studio Perriot.

Disappointing on Kishis side. The whole of Shippuden we would be getting whispers of this mysterious Sage of the Six Paths. Yet Kishi didnt even go into his backstory. Yet was going on about Rin.... Alot.

You guys are jokers and cant seem to see when something which is in keeping with the story itself serves to complement and complete it without contradicting it.

And again i say this. As much as i can not say Kishi is definitely a part of it. Neither can you say that he is not.

 

[Angelic.]

I like that he's didn't come out of the womb being op

 

[Styles]

It is because Sharingan and Rinnegan are two separate KKG and he had Yin and Yang chakra. His eye would evolve directly into a Rinnegan without the need to go through Sharingan phase.

Yes it's two separate KKG's but you can't evolve a Sharingan unless you have Hagoromo's chakra. With Kishi and portrayals do you really think Hamura who had Byakugan and later on Tenseigan. Was weaker than Hagoromo who had Rinnegan his whole life?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Yo, i will answer both you guys at the same time seeing as i am having two conversations about the same thing.

I am not disputing that the filler episodes are 100% under the production of Studio Perriot. and i am not assuming that Kishi is involved either.

However here's my stance on it SIMPLE:

If what Studio Perriot present to us does not in any way take from the manga but actually contributes to it and effectively successfully ties up loose ends in a way that Kishi should have then i will not put it down just because Kishimoto himself did not write the particular script.

Studio Perriot has been working with Kishimoto for many many years and are well versed when it comes to the actual canon which is the manga.

That said, Kishi himself wasted MANY PANELS AND LOTS OF TIME GOING ON ABOUT RIN and the whole OBITO thing. Taking us into constant pointless flashbacks of Rin and i am sure you can remember almost all of us getting tired of how much he was longing it out.

Maybe if he had spent less time going on about Rin he could have figured out a better way to defeat Madaras character, as well as give us the backstory of the Sage of the /six Paths.

But as he couldnt figure out a way of defeating Madara and was constantly going on about RIN, Studio Perriot stepped in with the idea of Kaguya; bearing in mind Kishi was running out of time on his contract.

Disappointing on Kishis side. The whole of Shippuden we would be getting whispers of this mysterious Sage of the Six Paths. Yet Kishi didnt even go into his backstory. Yet was going on about Rin.... Alot.

You guys are jokers and cant seem to see when something which is in keeping with the story itself serves to complement and complete it without contradicting it.

And again i say this. As much as i can not say Kishi is definitely a part of it. Neither can you say that he is not.

I make it simple for the *underline* part.

Neither me nor you knew about Kishi off panel involvement. OK I understood.

I dont care if this filler tie/fills up the manga story line.

But dont make any discussions here like what they did in Anime is a canon fact or what actually happen to them.

Other source that can support all thing inside the story be it manga/anime as canon is Databooks.

I will wait for new Databbook that saying hagoromo have Sharingan etc etc.

 

[Jokule67]

SP really loves to troll.

Why give him normal eyes that look like "bayakugan" when they could've given him his dad's eyes.

Also it only became sharingan due to the dilution. So why did it go from sharingan MS to rinnegan as he is the progenator of sharingan.

basically it is wrong because he is already whole to begin with. he did not have to gain something to get rinnegan.
But I'll keep an open mind as it is not over yet.

My theory is that once he uses senjutsu, it'll turn them into rinnegan.

Still a farfetch though

His eyes grew as he grew. It makes perfect sense. Even the tailed beasts were babies.

Everyone has to grow up. They gained power as they got older. Hamura as well.

 

[Jokule67]

Yes it's two separate KKG's but you can't evolve a Sharingan unless you have Hagoromo's chakra. With Kishi and portrayals do you really think Hamura who had Byakugan and later on Tenseigan. Was weaker than Hagoromo who had Rinnegan his whole life?

Its weird to think Hago had Rinne his whole life and Hamura didnt have Tenseigan.

It makes sense that they grew stronger and awakened these doujutsus.

Hagaromo was not born with Rinnegan. Its manga fact that he AWAKENED it.

 

[Jokule67]

If Studio Perriot created Kaguya whats the point in denying this filler when she is basucally filler villian