He broke through it when he released the CS chakra
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Chakra release is what breaks genjutsu and Sasuke proved the same rules of genjutsu apply to MS because he broke Tsukuyomi by releasing chakra.
His chakra under the influence of the Curse Mark gives him a comparable level of potency as his chakra after he awoke MS, so he essentially broke Tsukuyomi because his chakra quality was equivalent to Itachi's when he used the CS.
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This suggests that the reason no one besides Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi is because they didn't have the chakra strong enough to break it like how no one besides Superman can break free of the Hulk's grasp.
Since Naruto and Hashirama are both capable of using chakra stronger than CS Level 2 they should be able to break free of Itachi's genjutsu like Sasuke, because as we know Ashura has the feats to counter Indra's dojutsu and his descendants share the same bloodline as Uchiha.
By the time Sasuke was caught in Tsukuyomi, Itachi said without Mangekyo there's no stopping him
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His reaction when Sasuke broke the genjutsu, suggests he didn't expect his knowledge of his dojutsu to be contradicted, which implies most of what he believed about the Mangkyo was assumption rather than fact
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In fact, BZ later goes on to say the Sharingan is only a tool and all you need is more skill and power to overcome it
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Sasuke broke it when he released CS chakra, as we know Naruto and Hashirama are both capable of using a lot more potent chakra than CS, and their chakra control is some of the best in NV, therefore they would have the power and the skill to overcome Itachi's genjutsu.
And fun fact, Ashura's descendants share the same ancestor as Uchiha so they would still meet requirement of being of the "same bloodline".
No bruh. Sasuke broke out of it because Sasuke has THE STIPULATIONS TO BREAK OUT OF TSUKUYOMI.
The Cursed Marks Chakra increased the strength of his Sharingan allowing it to transgress in power like it always does allowing him to break Tsukuyomi.
If Sasuke didn't have Uchiha Blood, or Sharingan, but just CS he wouldn't have broke out. It doesn't matter how powerful your chakra is, if you don't have the stipulations to break it, YOU WON'T BREAK IT.
Why the hell is this so hard for you to grasp? Literally, when both Manga, and Databook state such it's fact. You cannot post bullshit, and pass it on as fact.
He broke through it when he released the CS chakra
Sasuke broke it when he released CS chakra, as we know Naruto and Hashirama are both capable of using a lot more potent chakra than CS, and their chakra control is some of the best in NV, therefore they would have the power and the skill to overcome Itachi's genjutsu.
And fun fact, Ashura's descendants share the same ancestor as Uchiha so they would still meet requirement of being of the "same bloodline".
I agree that what he did was boost the potency of his chakra in order to break Tsukuyomi. However, that doesn't make it irrelevant that he did so while using his Sharingan, as evidenced by the fact that it's activated. It's specifically implied that he used his Sharingan to do it. BZ's statement is that the Sharingan overcame the MS. Not just the chakra itself. So Itachi's statement that you need a Sharingan (which is all he ever said) to break Tsukuyomi isn't irrelevant or invalidated.
He's right to be surprised that Tsukuyomi was broken, because the 3T Sharingan does not have the chakra potency of the MS, which is why he assumed that it wouldn't break. However, this does not mean that you can break Tsukuyomi with chakra potency alone, as this is never shown in the manga, and BZ actually reinforces that the Sharingan was the tool used to break Tsukuyomi.
I agree that what he did was boost the potency of his chakra in order to break Tsukuyomi. However, that doesn't make it irrelevant that he did so while using his Sharingan, as evidenced by the fact that it's activated. It's specifically implied that he used his Sharingan to do it. BZ's statement is that the Sharingan overcame the MS. Not just the chakra itself. So Itachi's statement that you need a Sharingan (which is all he ever said) to break Tsukuyomi isn't irrelevant or invalidated.
He's right to be surprised that Tsukuyomi was broken, because the 3T Sharingan does not have the chakra potency of the MS, which is why he assumed that it wouldn't break. However, this does not mean that you can break Tsukuyomi with chakra potency alone, as this is never shown in the manga, and BZ actually reinforces that the Sharingan was the tool used to break Tsukuyomi.
And he mentioned KKG, he told Sasuke to face him when they have the "same eyers" because he assumed only MS would be capable of breaking Tsukuyomi, yet Sasuke proved him wrong hence why him and BZ were both surprised.
Genjutsu works in the same manner as chakra rods and Edo Tensei, it controls the user's chakra flow, therefore all it requires is a very high level of kai release that only transmigrants have been shown capable of performing
That contradicts Itachi's plan in the first place.
Knocking Sasuke out with Tsukyomi is completely contradictory to the fact that Itachi was "throwing" away the fight. My belief is that yes, Sasuke was hit by a full blown Tsukyomi. Only difference is that, Itachi expected him to break out of it and merely used Tsukyomi to push him to his limits.
But anyways, the fact remains that what you're implying is completely contradictory to Itachi's motives. Knocking out Sasuke makes no sense whatsoever, so it's clear that Itachi expected him to break through Tsukyomi.
Itachi never faced an opponent of SM Naruto or Hashirama's level so his claim is more assumption than fact. Tsukuyomi is still a genjutsu and therefore has the same weaknesses as genjutsu, it just requires a higher level of opponent to break it,
This ^^^.Plus remember there was a time when people thought The SO6P was a myth, Having all nature affinities was impossible, Meteor summoning jutsu was far fetched and the rinnegan was a legend.The point is you can't compare part 1 and part 2 power scaling. same goes for itachi's ASSUMPTION!!!
This ^^^.Plus remember there was a time when people thought The SO6P was a myth, Having all nature affinities was impossible, Meteor summoning jutsu was far fetched and the rinnegan was a legend.The point is you can't compare part 1 and part 2 power scaling. same goes for itachi's ASSUMPTION!!!
Itachi only used Tsukuyomi on fodder though, he assumed only someone with his eye power could break it because he never used genjutsu on opponents with strong enough kai release like Hashirama
But he never faced someone with high level SM like Naruto.
Except no matter what mode Naruto's in he sucks at Genjutsu. Jiraiya taught him how to break genjutsu and a fake Itachi still rek'd him with a simple finger genjutsu.
As long as you has strong chakra enough with skill then yes you can always break out of any kind of Genjutsu.
Tsukuyomi's major weakness is that the enemies has more time to react than a normal genjutsu. Either the opponent received 72 hours minus 3 second more of pain OR the oppnent can break out faster like 3 second / 72 hours = 1,157407407407407e-5 or 259.200 times faster than a normal break out genjutsu.
What makes itachi's tsukuyomi op is his control over time and space in victim's psyche cause when you are caught one has to realize that he is in genjutsu and break it later but itachi's tsukuyomi since controls time and space you feel the full effect of it before you even realize it and the damage done to your psyche depends on the time the victim spent in his tsukuyomi as he can freely manipulate it from hours to days while it lasted a mere second in real world. As we have seen even a perfect jinchuuriki like bee took two to three seconds to realize and break sasuke's MS genjutsu which is just heightened version of sharingan genjutsu.
As long as you has strong chakra enough with skill then yes you can always break out of any kind of Genjutsu.
Tsukuyomi's major weakness is that the enemies has more time to react than a normal genjutsu. Either the opponent received 72 hours minus 3 second more of pain OR the oppnent can break out faster like 3 second / 72 hours = 1,157407407407407e-5 or 259.200 times faster than a normal break out genjutsu.
This is hilarious when it's outright stated that the effects of Tsukyomi is instantaneous which is why it's not something that can merely be broken through.
This is hilarious when it's outright stated that the effects of Tsukyomi is instantaneous which is why it's not something that can merely be broken through.
instant or not instant, the opponent still has 259.200 times more to break out the genjutsu if he possesed stronger chakra to disrupt the flow than a normal genjutsu.
Tsukuyomi can make the opponent dmg quite badly or it can be broken badly and become useless.
Except no matter what mode Naruto's in he sucks at Genjutsu. Jiraiya taught him how to break genjutsu and a fake Itachi still rek'd him with a simple finger genjutsu.
I agree that what he did was boost the potency of his chakra in order to break Tsukuyomi. However, that doesn't make it irrelevant that he did so while using his Sharingan, as evidenced by the fact that it's activated. It's specifically implied that he used his Sharingan to do it. BZ's statement is that the Sharingan overcame the MS. Not just the chakra itself. So Itachi's statement that you need a Sharingan (which is all he ever said) to break Tsukuyomi isn't irrelevant or invalidated.
He's right to be surprised that Tsukuyomi was broken, because the 3T Sharingan does not have the chakra potency of the MS, which is why he assumed that it wouldn't break. However, this does not mean that you can break Tsukuyomi with chakra potency alone, as this is never shown in the manga, and BZ actually reinforces that the Sharingan was the tool used to break Tsukuyomi.
BZ's statement is that Sasuke had more skill and power to break genjutsu, the Sharingan wasn't responsible for breaking Tsukuyomi, the chakra he was able to release was. He didn't have MS yet broke an MS because his chakra under the influence of the mark gives him the same chakra quality as MS.
All you need is very strong chakra that only Sasuke had shown the potential to gain at young age due to Uchiha chakra genes. Itachi assumes you need the same blood because in his era only Uchiha have shown the genes to awaken equivalent chakra strength as him.
But this does not mean only Uchiha can break Tsukuyomi because the rules of genjutsu apply to MS as much as normal genjutsu.
He was limited by his perspective because he never faced someone as strong as Sasuke, hence why he assumed only his sibling would have the power to face him.
