What exactly does Itachi have control over when using Tsukuyomi? :wut: Is it just time manipulation?
Does he have control over how powerful his opponent is in the genjutsu?
Or can someone who is significantly more powerful than Itachi over power him in the genjutsu?
For example,
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If you replace Kakashi, with someone as powerful as Kaguya(excluding Dojutsu), could she break free from what's holding her(not Tsukuyomi, but the thing that's holding Kakashi in place) and overpower Itachi until the 72 hours are up?
Genjutsu doesn't work like that; doesn't matter how strong you are outside of the genjutsu. You could be a super strong guy and dream that you got your butt kicked by a little girl that wasn't Himawari, right? Same thing for Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
Itachi has control over the space which is the dimension and most importantly the time. He can manipulate time according to his will. It doesn't even matter about physical strength as Clay stated. Sakura the most powerful woman physically can still get whooped easily in the genjutsu and won't be able to break the cross. No one can break Tsukuyomi once caught unless you meet the conditions specified.
He makes you experience what he wants you to experience like normal Sharingan genjutsu, but in addition to that he alters your brain's perception of time, and because it's made with MS the illusion is nearly impossible to break.
Itachi never faced an opponent of SM Naruto or Hashirama's level so his claim is more assumption than fact. Tsukuyomi is still a genjutsu and therefore has the same weaknesses as genjutsu, it just requires a higher level of opponent to break it,
This was proven false when Sasuke broke it without Mangekyo, in addition Itachi never faced an opponent of SM Naruto or Hashirama's level so his claim is more assumption than fact.
Itachi never faced an opponent of SM Naruto or Hashirama's level so his claim is more assumption than fact. Tsukuyomi is still a genjutsu and therefore has the same weaknesses as genjutsu, it just requires a higher level of opponent to break it,
And he mentioned KKG, he told Sasuke to face him when they have the "same eyers" because he assumed only MS would be capable of breaking Tsukuyomi, yet Sasuke proved him wrong hence why him and BZ were both surprised.
Genjutsu works in the same manner as chakra rods and Edo Tensei, it controls the user's chakra flow, therefore all it requires is a very high level of kai release that only transmigrants have been shown capable of performing
And he mentioned KKG, he told Sasuke to face him when they have the "same eyers" because he assumed only MS would be capable of breaking Tsukuyomi, yet Sasuke proved him wrong hence why him and BZ were both surprised.
Genjutsu works in the same manner as chakra rods and Edo Tensei, it controls the user's chakra flow, therefore all it requires is a very high level of kai release that only transmigrants have been shown capable of performing
Itachi never faced an opponent of SM Naruto or Hashirama's level so his claim is more assumption than fact. Tsukuyomi is still a genjutsu and therefore has the same weaknesses as genjutsu, it just requires a higher level of opponent to break it,
And he mentioned KKG, he told Sasuke to face him when they have the "same eyers" because he assumed only MS would be capable of breaking Tsukuyomi, yet Sasuke proved him wrong hence why him and BZ were both surprised.
Genjutsu works in the same manner as chakra rods and Edo Tensei, it controls the user's chakra flow, therefore all it requires is a very high level of kai release that only transmigrants would have been capable of.
The MS statement and the statement of the only way to break Tsukuyomi being to have KKG and a Sharingan are two separate statements. He told Sasuke to get MS because he wanted Sasuke to get MS, or at least form bonds capable of creating MS. He never stated that MS was the only way to break Tsukuyomi.
Itachi only used Tsukuyomi on fodder though, he assumed only someone with his eye power could break it because he never used genjutsu on opponents with strong enough kai release like Hashirama
Itachi only used Tsukuyomi on fodder though, he assumed only someone with his eye power could break it because he never used genjutsu on opponents with strong enough kai release like Hashirama
But he never faced someone with high level SM like Naruto.
He broke through it when he released the CS chakra
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Chakra release is what breaks genjutsu and Sasuke proved the same rules of genjutsu apply to MS because he broke Tsukuyomi by releasing chakra.
His chakra under the influence of the Curse Mark gives him a comparable level of potency as his chakra after he awoke MS, so he essentially broke Tsukuyomi because his chakra quality was equivalent to Itachi's when he used the CS.
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This suggests that the reason no one besides Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi is because they didn't have the chakra strong enough to break it like how no one besides Superman can break free of the Hulk's grasp.
Since Naruto and Hashirama are both capable of using chakra stronger than CS Level 2 they should be able to break free of Itachi's genjutsu like Sasuke, because as we know Ashura has the feats to counter Indra's dojutsu and his descendants share the same bloodline as Uchiha.
The MS statement and the statement of the only way to break Tsukuyomi being to have KKG and a Sharingan are two separate statements. He told Sasuke to get MS because he wanted Sasuke to get MS, or at least form bonds capable of creating MS. He never stated that MS was the only way to break Tsukuyomi.
By the time Sasuke was caught in Tsukuyomi, Itachi said without Mangekyo there's no stopping him
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His reaction when Sasuke broke the genjutsu, suggests he didn't expect his knowledge of his dojutsu to be contradicted, which implies most of what he believed about the Mangkyo was assumption rather than fact
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In fact, BZ later goes on to say the Sharingan is only a tool and all you need is more skill and power to overcome it
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Sasuke broke it when he released CS chakra, as we know Naruto and Hashirama are both capable of using a lot more potent chakra than CS, and their chakra control is some of the best in NV, therefore they would have the power and the skill to overcome Itachi's genjutsu.
And fun fact, Ashura's descendants share the same ancestor as Uchiha so they would still meet requirement of being of the "same bloodline".
