I didn't mean WB specifically, I'm on mobile so I said that out of convenience. WBs side of the war suffered an overwhelming defeat.
BB also came and picked off a WB that was already severely wounded.
2)WB & CO. somehow managed to rescue Ace. (so they accomplised what they came for)
Meanwhile 5admirals and 5shichibukai almost failed to execute Ace at MF
They actually failed, as Ace is dead. What they came to accomplish was freeing Ace and taking him away alive. They failed at that mission. All of their top tiers were critically injured or killed, while only Akainu and Sengoku received minor injuries. I don't count Garp because he let himself get injured.
You also fail to realize that Shichibukai are scapegoats. The Marines don't have them because their admirals are too weak to contend with Yonko, but because the Admirals are extremely valuable to them, so they have the Shichibukai to be expendable in battle in order to maximize preservation of the Admirals. It's not that they needed the Shichibukai, it's that they prefer to have them.
Admiral doesn't have crew like pirates in OP.
Some of them travel alone like Kizaru, Aokiji.
Others travel wit fodders(Akainu, Garp) or wit 1 or 2 VA lvl guys(Sengoku, Isshou).
U cant put 1000s of fodders + 20plus VA lvl guys and 5shichibukai as part of Admiral strength.
I didn't mean WB specifically, I'm on mobile so I said that out of convenience. WBs side of the war suffered an overwhelming defeat.
BB also came and picked off a WB that was already severely wounded.
It doesn't matter.
Portrayal wise Yonkos > Admirals.
Admirals/Marines dont like to mess wit Yonkos but Yonkos doesnot give a damn about admirals(as shown when Jack went to save Doffy).
1Yonko fought wit Marines full strength which comprises of 5admiral + 5Shichibukai + 1000s pf fodders.He was confident enough that he will stop Marines till his crew and allies escape MF.
When another Yonko entered MF, marines has to stop the war and accept Shanks deal.
They actually failed, as Ace is dead. What they came to accomplish was freeing Ace and taking him away alive. They failed at that mission. All of their top tiers were critically injured or killed, while only Akainu and Sengoku received minor injuries. I don't count Garp because he let himself get injured.
No they didn't failed. WB last order was to leave MF and meet again in NW(WB remeaining crew met again and fought BB).
Ace died because he was reckless. If he had left then he would have survived and that Ace-Akainu-Luffy incident would have never take place.
You also fail to realize that Shichibukai are scapegoats. The Marines don't have them because their admirals are too weak to contend with Yonko, but because the Admirals are extremely valuable to them, so they have the Shichibukai to be expendable in battle in order to maximize preservation of the Admirals. It's not that they needed the Shichibukai, it's that they prefer to have them.
U are wrong here:
Shichibukai's have full authority whether or not they want to take part in Marines problems/war like situations.
For example: Mihawk had no intention to fight in MF.
Doffy went there most likely to kill Moriah. Marines had full knowledge what he was doing at PH but still they didnot arrest him.
and Boa Hancock also rejected Marines offer(to catch World) in OP 3D2Y movie.
Then the thousands of Marine fodder count as part of an Admiral's strength, placing them on par with a Yonko's.
I didn't mean WB specifically, I'm on mobile so I said that out of convenience. WBs side of the war suffered an overwhelming defeat.
BB also came and picked off a WB that was already severely wounded.
They actually failed, as Ace is dead. What they came to accomplish was freeing Ace and taking him away alive. They failed at that mission. All of their top tiers were critically injured or killed, while only Akainu and Sengoku received minor injuries. I don't count Garp because he let himself get injured.
You also fail to realize that Shichibukai are scapegoats. The Marines don't have them because their admirals are too weak to contend with Yonko, but because the Admirals are extremely valuable to them, so they have the Shichibukai to be expendable in battle in order to maximize preservation of the Admirals. It's not that they needed the Shichibukai, it's that they prefer to have them.
And do what? He couldn't even avoid fodder, how is he going to avoid Akainu?
By mobile, I mean the fact that WB moved over to Akainu, cocked his arm back, punched, and was MOVING AROUND. Complete opposite of before, where he was falling to his knees and unable to move. Moving his head would have sure helped a rain of meteors /sarcasm.
One of them evaporated a mountain. What feat has Akainu done with his regular sized fist that has matched that?
He has reacted to Akainu multiple times stop playing yourself. The fact you claimed a non-distracted top tier can't react to fodder....
I was talking about when he originally got his face blown off. LOL WB doesn't even need to be mobile to counter meteor, he can simply blast the incoming meteor with a quake.
A mountain? Oh lord do you even know how large an actual mountain is? Not to mention it's a mountain of ice, and he produces magma.....Yeah, his regular fist has literally killed a high tier and injured a top tier, both should be more durable than some ice.
I'm not claiming it, it was shown in the manga that fodder charged at WB, and he was incapable of stopping them. So they were able to stab him.
WB reacted to Akainu multiple times, but in the pages that I showed you, his body was in a state where he was incapable of reacting.
I was talking about when he originally got his face blown off. LOL WB doesn't even need to be mobile to counter meteor, he can simply blast the incoming meteor with a quake.
Based on the fact that fodder were able to stab him, it's obvious that at that moment, that wasn't an option for WB. His body was stunned and unresponsive when the heart attack hit, which is what left him open.
A mountain? Oh lord do you even know how large an actual mountain is? Not to mention it's a mountain of ice, and he produces magma.....Yeah, his regular fist has literally killed a high tier and injured a top tier, both should be more durable than some ice.
1. It was ice created from a top tier, an Admiral, from a Devil Fruit, so it's not just some chunk of ice someone took out of the fridge. Stop playing yourself.
2. It was hyperbole. However, the iceberg was still created from the single greatest feat of physical strength in the manga and was dwarfing giants. Bear in mind that the strongest Quake WB made couldn't even destroy the main building on Marineford and this iceberg was several times the size of that building.
You have to be genuinely retarded to think that Akainu's fist matches the power of a rain of his fists at 100x the size. However strong Akainu's fist is, just multiply it by the size and the multiply it by the sheer number of meteor fists.
Because he was distracted like I said he was fighting Akainu he'd be more focused. It's like you don't read my post.
Based on the fact that fodder were able to stab him, it's obvious that at that moment, that wasn't an option for WB. His body was stunned and unresponsive when the heart attack hit, which is what left him open.
He was hit once, he was hit again because he took his attention away for a second.
1. It was ice created from a top tier, an Admiral, from a Devil Fruit, so it's not just some chunk of ice someone took out of the fridge. Stop playing yourself.
Please stop, it wasn't an attack of Kuzan that Jozu picked up and threw, it was stationary ice.
2. It was hyperbole. However, the iceberg was still created from the single greatest feat of physical strength in the manga and was dwarfing giants. Bear in mind that the strongest Quake WB made couldn't even destroy the main building on Marineford and this iceberg was several times the size of that building.
Is the strength thing supposed to be impressive in this case? We're not talking about Jozu while the ice chunk was about 100 meters big. Akainu literally used lava capable of melting steel through the heat it's raditing meters away at the ice. While using the fact WB's quake not destroying the Marineford building is stupid. WB also produces earthquakes that were felt all around the OP earth and he flat out tilted the sea. Stop using that build as a bad excuse to downplay WB.
You have to be genuinely retarded to think that Akainu's fist matches the power of a rain of his fists at 100x the size. However strong Akainu's fist is, just multiply it by the size and the multiply it by the sheer number of meteor fists.
Incorrect. Akainu stepped back and the fodder ran forward and approached WB from the front, in his line of sight. They didn't come out of nowhere or catch him by surprise.
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WB literally just stood there and watched the fodder run into him from the front. How do you sneak up on someone from the front?
Please stop, it wasn't an attack of Kuzan that Jozu picked up and threw, it was stationary ice.
There's no difference. The ice was still the production of an Admiral from his Devil Fruit. Raigou was stationary lightning, and it wiped out an entire island. The ice doesn't become weaker when Kuzan stops controlling it, it's the same ice all around.
Is the strength thing supposed to be impressive in this case? We're not talking about Jozu while the ice chunk was about 100 meters big. Akainu literally used lava capable of melting steel through the heat it's raditing meters away at the ice
Kuzan's ice is going to be superior to steel, since it's produced from a Devil Fruit and has the power of an Admiral backing it up. Kuzan's ice contested with Akainu's magma enough to cause him grievous near-death injuries, it's far above the level of petty by the dozen swords.
While using the fact WB's quake not destroying the Marineford building is stupid.
As mentioned before, WB's tilt Quakes don't cause any damage, so they're inferior to Akainu's purely destructive magma attacks. John Giant was in the epicenter of the tilting Quakes, and it didn't damage him whatsoever. As you said below, size doesn't mean power.
You have to be genuinely retarded to think size=power. You clearly don't understand the concept of attack potnecy.
When has Akainu shown the same attack potency with his normal fist as he has with his Meteor Volcano? Is there one panel of Akainu matching the damage with just his fist?
That's not being critically injured. He literally continues running immediately after being shot.
See those squiggly lines drawn around Marco's body? Those indicate that he's shaking, quivering, because of the damage he took from Kizaru's beams. That indicates that his body is rattled by the damage, which means critical injury. Moments after the attack hit, and Marco was still reeling from the damage. If you think that's anything near minor or moderate damage, you're kidding yourself.
Kuzan's ice is going to be superior to steel, since it's produced from a Devil Fruit and has the power of an Admiral backing it up. Kuzan's ice contested with Akainu's magma enough to cause him grievous near-death injuries, it's far above the level of petty by the dozen swords.
u said it. Now whenever there is Mihawk debate dont deny:
-Mihawk used strongest slash at MF
-it was cutting ice that means it was stronger than normal slash which was meant to cut flesh.
u said it. Now whenever there is Mihawk debate dont deny:
-Mihawk used strongest slash at MF
-it was cutting ice that means it was stronger than normal slash which was meant to cut flesh.
No. The slash still has to interact with things physically. It's not going to pass through the ice like it's intangible. It was scraping against the ground, so it disrupted the structure of the ground. When it physically interacted the leaves, they were light and soft enough to just rustle because they didn't put any pressure back on Zoro's swing. That's why Jozu was able to block it. Even though it wasn't meant for him, it still has to physically interact with him, and since he's heavy and dense enough to actually exhibit his own pressure on the blade, like the ground was as well, it didn't just rustle or blow past him like paper, it interacted with force. Same concept with the ground.
No. The slash still has to interact with things physically. It's not going to pass through the ice like it's intangible. It was scraping against the ground, so it disrupted the structure of the ground. When it physically interacted the leaves, they were light and soft enough to just rustle because they didn't put any pressure back on Zoro's swing. That's why Jozu was able to block it. Even though it wasn't meant for him, it still has to physically interact with him, and since he's heavy and dense enough to actually exhibit his own pressure on the blade, like the ground was as well, it didn't just rustle or blow past him like paper, it interacted with force. Same concept with the ground.
This doesn't contradict anything I said. He sent it flying against the ground. It has to interact physically with the ground, and a giant slash scraping against the ice will cause it be displaced because the ground has density and weight.
This doesn't contradict anything I said. He sent it flying against the ground. It has to interact physically with the ground, and a giant slash scraping against the ice will cause it be displaced because the ground has density and weight.
it was cutting ice. u can clearly see i that small ice particles/boulders flying before Jozu stopped that attack and he did destroyed that ice mountain wit a similar attack.
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so u are contradicting yourself when u said "that attack was meant to cut flesh" and "Aokiji ice is as strong as steel"
Incorrect. Akainu stepped back and the fodder ran forward and approached WB from the front, in his line of sight. They didn't come out of nowhere or catch him by surprise.
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WB literally just stood there and watched the fodder run into him from the front. How do you sneak up on someone from the front?
Are you even reading what I said? HE WAS DITARCTED BY HIS OWN MEN. I never said anything about the marine sneaking up on him.
There's no difference. The ice was still the production of an Admiral from his Devil Fruit. Raigou was stationary lightning, and it wiped out an entire island. The ice doesn't become weaker when Kuzan stops controlling it, it's the same ice all around.
There is a massive difference, stationary ice isn't packing the same amount of force as one of Kuzan's move. Raigou was lightning amplified by a machine stop reaching. Not to mention Raigou is a huge ball which explodes with a huge burst of lightning, not even comparable to the iceberg.
Kuzan's ice is going to be superior to steel, since it's produced from a Devil Fruit and has the power of an Admiral backing it up. Kuzan's ice contested with Akainu's magma enough to cause him grievous near-death injuries, it's far above the level of petty by the dozen swords.
Ice in OP may be superior in general but it doesn't have a higher melting point and is still weak to heat, something which Akainu's magma explodes a lot of. You're taking the sword point wrong, I bought the up to empathise the magma's heat.
It's not wrong. WB's Quake didn't even scratch Kuzan's office, and Akainu evaporated an iceberg several times its size. Facts are there.
As mentioned before, WB's tilt Quakes don't cause any damage, so they're inferior to Akainu's purely destructive magma attacks. John Giant was in the epicenter of the tilting Quakes, and it didn't damage him whatsoever. As you said below, size doesn't mean power.
Do you not know how the concept of energy works. It takes wau more energy to tilt the ****ing ocean than to destroy a 100M iceberg. Not to mention the tsunamis made and destroyed by WB are better than the iceberg feat.
When has Akainu shown the same attack potency with his normal fist as he has with his Meteor Volcano? Is there one panel of Akainu matching the damage with just his fist?
I should ask you the same thing. When has his giant fist shown the strength to blow holes in WB or kill Ace? It to multiple to destroy the ice in small areas of MF and they clearly are much slower since Buggy reacted to them. And just in case, you forgot, slower means less force.
This was clearly a critical injury.
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See those squiggly lines drawn around Marco's body? Those indicate that he's shaking, quivering, because of the damage he took from Kizaru's beams. That indicates that his body is rattled by the damage, which means critical injury. Moments after the attack hit, and Marco was still reeling from the damage. If you think that's anything near minor or moderate damage, you're kidding yourself.
Shaking from a wound doesn't mean critical injury. Marco is literally left like that until after Ace dies and looks fine when he's demanding for his cuffs to get taken off. Someone who's in a critical condition wouldn't be like that.
MF Whitebeard was leagues behind the strongest man he once was, Oda mate it clear via different characters that WB lost most of his power. Marines have no idea about his sickness or about him loosing most of his strength prior to MF war. And Garp noted that Yonko are on par with Whitebeard. When he said this, he was referring to the man who once stood at the top since he had no idea about Whitebeard's condition. All Akainu could accomplish is to stalemate MF WB who was already stabbed by Squardo and had to receive serious injuries to be able to put an end to a half dead WB. In short, there is noway Akainu is in the same level as the true strongest WB or the people who were stated to be on par with him.
This old WB was stronger than Akainu and a young Emperor in their prime isn't losing to someone like Akainu. Also Akainu didn't get any stronger after the time skip also why? Because the time skip was for the worst generation to get stronger not everyone in the entire series. BB running from Akainu pre ts means nothing when Luffy pre time skip Luffy ran from Smoker. Also he didn't even master the guts Gita no mi yet.
1.I never argued BB was weaker because of that. I was simply saying Akainu has been hyped and pretty similar to Shanks' situation.
2.I do think Shanks got the best portrayal in the war. And I do have Shanks higher because of it, although its just for the sake of ranking, they should be interchangeable.
I aint making any excuses for Akainu lol, I could give two shits about him.
I am literally stating things exactly as they are. Shanks did recieve better portrayal than Akainu, BB did run away from both Shanks and Akainu for similar reasons, Akainu did recieve better portrayal than Sengoku.
Even though what you are saying is kinda flawed since when Akainu wisely backed off from Shanks he had just finished fighting WB, while BB when he dipped from Akainu was full strength.
Your even if is still not validated, you are assuming BB would treat Akainu the exact same way he did Sengoku and not Shanks. That has no backing compared to what Im saying since with Akainu a Shanks like situation actually did happen.
Its honestly pointless to bring up even ifs as it did not occur in the manga. Especially a topic like portrayal, its not about what could happen but rather the author placing characters in certain situations.
Im sure Smoker could have whooped those supernovas asses back in Saboady yet Kizaru was the one who did it, giving him meaningful portrayal. Do you think Oda would have Vergo beat the shit out of pre skip Supernovas like that? Hell no he isnt qualified to recieve that portrayal.
Thats just how it works regarding portrayal, what happened happened.
That does't even remotely make any sense. It's like me saying Kaido received the best portrayal in regards to strength which directly implies Kaido's superiority over others, then saying that I've never said Kaido is the strongest Yonko. It's irrefutable that you indirectly tried to imply that Akainu is stronger than BB.
Once again, even if's aren't always invalid. I do have something to back my point up when I said it. BB wouldn't have stopped even if it was Akainu, Why because there is noway Akainu would be more of a trouble than Sengoku and Garp together. It makes 0 sense for someone who had no problems with challenging Garp and Sengoku to back down from challenging Akainu. Sure, it's an assumption but a valid one.
I don't think someone who's fine with challenging all WB commanders to a fight would be in any shape to think about his injuries to challenge someone of his level.
BB did run away from both but the circumstances and mind set are clearly different and they play a bigger role than what we think. We've witnessed it like a legion of times that mind set alone can turn the table around in a battle. BB was out of mind when he gained WB's ability. He even went as far as calling himself the strongest and was ready to challenge about anyone at MF. Whereas, it was his normal self. Bear in mind that he didn't even bother attacking a fodder like Luffy, when they argued with each other, because that's the kind of guy he is, It'd be totally unlike BB to be fighting a marine admiral over a ship. He isn't someone that'd do stuff without gaining something big in return.
I said it before that there is no denying Akainu's portrayal. You need to be at certain level to make someone like BB run away. That's for sure. But we can't just compare it with some other scenario or make a case for Akainu's superiority using it as a reference. It's a pirate think to run away from marines after all.
You're half correct here, with the exception of that last sentence which is completely incorrect with the two techniques we are comparing. You are correct in that they are different in nature, and that they are both large scale techniques. You are wrong, however, in that the technique that tilts the air does more destruction. When WB used it, all it did was tilt the environment. People weren't injured by the Quake, and buildings were only damaged because they were tilted out of place. Tilting Akainu out of place isn't gonna injure him, as shown when John Giant, who was right next to Whitebeard as he did, received no damage from the tilting Quake. Everyone within the range of the tilting Quake were just fine and weren't injured in any way.
Kuzan's technique, which freezes everything within the range, is the opposite. While "destructive" isn't quite the most accurate word, it is far more harmful, as it has been established that being frozen by Kuzan will lead to death. Considering that it was indicated that Doflamingo managed to narrowly break out before his heart was frozen, we can rest assured that it'd take less than a week for people frozen in the attack to end up dead.
Kuzan's large scale move causes more harm to those affected than WB's(which should be pretty goddamn obvious since he stretched it so much, his own crew, allies, and ACE HIMSELF were within the range), and he still lost to Akainu, so the range of the tilt means absolutely nothing.
You probably hadn't came across the following panels.
People within range lost their balance.
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The whole Island was shaking,ships gathered around the island were being destroyed,it created a massive tsunami and even the buildings in the town behind MF didn't receive any mercy.
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Even Luffy noted that he barely escaped it.
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If this isn't same as causing destruction, I don't know what it is. One of Whitebeard pirates said he's no longer holding back when he attacked Akainu. He insinuated that he was holding himself back all along. In short, He had done this much all while holding himself back from harming his men. Forgot about all this, are you seriously trying to tell me altering an islands shape on a whim doesn't cause mass destruction as a result? Sure, it didn't damage any noticeable fighter, neither did Akainu's magma fist barrage" Or whatever the hell he calls it ". Even the GGnM punch from BB didn't harm anyone when the same attack when landed directly on Akainu did
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to him. And I told you before that Kuzan's ability can't be compared with Whitebeard's just became of scale. I'd like to see DD casually tanking one of quake punches and walk away like nothing happened similar to what he did with Kuzan. Moreover, Ocean is pretty much Kuzan's territory. Freezing buildings and Islands to their core isn't as easy as freezing water. Hell, he failed to cover less than a couple of kilo-meters before Law and co could escape. So, it's more than likely he didn't freeze the ocean too deep when he tried to help the old man.
Aight let's stop here first. It did NOT severely injure Akainu. People exaggerate the damage Akainu took from that Quake. Considering that it was shown that there was water on the bottom of the crevice WB created, if Akainu was as damaged as people say, then he would have fallen into the water and drowned.
Also, how weak does that make Marco, the WB commanders, and dozens of their pirates that a so called severely weakened Akainu fought them all by himself, and took no further damage? If Akainu, SEVERELY WEAKENED, could fend them off on his own, then why would defeating them be a good enough feat to warrant becoming Yonko? If Akainu, SEVERELY WEAKENED, could fend them off on his own, then that would just throw him ahead of Teach's level anyways, considering that a healthy Akainu should logically then be able to rolfstomp them like it's nobody's business.
He'd have fallen into the water if he lost consciousness but he apparently didn't , all he need is enough energy to grab on to something to prevent himself from falling. Who knows,there is no guarantees that the fissure was deep enough reach water at every given point. It could be that the crack wasn't deep enough around the area where he had fallen, So, he might have fallen on a rock surface. The fact is that he was out of commission for quite a while. It should be suffice to say the damage done was substantial.
Now, that's what over exaggerating things, Akainu did challenge all of them but Marco and most of the fighters can't be seen fighting Akainu afterwards on panel. The next time he was seen, it shows him along with a defeated commander and bunch of fodder pirates surrounding him. So, it isn't quite accurate to say he fought all of em together.
Incorrect, manga doesn't say people started calling him Yonko because he beat Marco forces. It says he was recognized as one after the war. They aren't quite same. Yonko status is mainly marked by having "territories under command". Law pretty much noted that they share NW equally. It could be that Marco forces are in BB's way to take over all of WB territories which'd earn him Yonko status. So, he got rid of them and succeeded in taking over all of WB territories which is what earned him the Yonko status. Yes, BB did earn his status after defeating Marco's team. But what I am trying to say is you can't "in general" earn Yonko status just by beating Marco and co. Not to mention it was an overwhelming victory for BB's team.
Untrue. It was shown later on that Kuzan's office in the building didn't have a scratch. WB's attack only smashed up that front wall, it did not destroy the building.
Do you want every single bit of it to turn into dust to confirm it to be destroyed? The fortress was completely destroyed and most of the building fall apart. It's more than enough to say it was destroyed. Even if it wasn't, it still far exceeds anything Akainu had accomplished so far in the series.
To the environment? No. But to people who freeze to death, yes. Kuzan's fruit isn't destructive, but it's harmful to those caught in it because they're made of flesh. Against flesh, the Hie Hie and Gura Gura are pretty much even when it comes to causing harm.
A slash can kill someone, so can poison, But they aren't same thing. Likewise, HHnM and GGnM don't work or effect things similarly.
Yes, they did. The sheer size of the iceberg was dwarfing giants, who in turn were dwarfing buildings. Then bear in mind that the iceberg, which was dwarfing several of Marineford's large buildings, was only a portion of the total water frozen, and then Akainu went on to melt most of that water with his Meteor Volcano. The iceberg was the size of a mountain, and a single blast from Akainu evaporated the entire thing without leaving a single trace, and that was just a fraction of the total ice that Akainu went on to destroy.
Told you before that it wasn't even as bit as Wadatsumi, even someone like Zoro can destroy that stuff pretty casually. So, you can't seriously compare it with what Whitebeard had done to MF. The entire frozen area is just a part of the island that Whitebeard shape shifted in one go. How many attacks did it took Akainu to accomplish it again? I wonder how long it'll take him to match a punch or two from WB. What you're doing is like comparing elephant gatling with king kong gun. Funny thing is the said attack still doesn't come closer to the level of destruction that one of WB punches had done to MF building.
It is irrelevant here, as the iceberg showed that Kuzan's freezing powers can do deep and far.
It's relevant, because it shows that he can't use large scale attacks when he need to freeze too deep. Under normal circumstances His freezing extends as far as the size of that iceberg it seems. Because that particular part was shown to have no ice when Luffy and co fall from the sky or rather from the frozen tsunami.
Fallacy, there is not authentic evidence to support this whatsoever, there is no proof to say Akainu can someone render BB's abilities useless. However,we have explicit statements implying that he can counter about any given ability.
Except that Akainu's best attacks don't cause dents, they eviscerate you. Just a few of Akainu's major attacks can result in losing entire sections of your body, and if you think Teach isn't taking more than a few, then you're kidding yourself.
And it's not like they'd cause instant death or that BB won't be able to avoid/counter fatal blows. Akainu was unable to defend against a second blow from half dead WB after taking first blow and was out of commission for a while after the second blow. So, one hit is all it takes to turn the table around for BB. Not to mention, it's Akainu who'll be at disadvantage when BB can fight at full potential throughout the entire battle.
Inaccurate, as Akainu has been portrayed by feats and powerscaling to be able to handle both of Teach's main abilities quite handily.
As I said, A combination is entirely a different story. BB struggled against Ace with YYnM, when the same guy was mocking Garp and Sengoku while implying that they couldn't stop him. He even seemingly injured Sengoku which says quite a lot.
And that's what will ultimately get him killed against Akainu.
I agree that Teach is an idiot but he's not as much of a block head as Luffy. He was shown to be careful when he immediately tried to restrain WB's movements right at the beginning of the fight even when the later is severely injured. So, it's not likely he'll as carefree against someone like Akainu or any admiral for that matter. Bear in mind that he was never shown to be getting outclassed in his fight with Sengoku, except for when he was attacked out of nowhere.
Yes, it does. Akainu took Whitebeard's Gura hits BOTH times without protection from his Devil Fruit, taking them raw due to WB's Haki which negated Akainu's Logia protection as the Yami Yami no Mi would, and was not severely weakened. When taking one raw, he was able to spring forward and cleave away WB's face. As it has been shown that Teach lacks the physical strength to match Whitebeard, it is far more likely that Akainu can take a Gura punch, break Teach's grip with his superior strength, and gain an advantage.
Haki is not same as YYnM in any sense. It literally nullifies any given ability. When all haki does is to allow you to hit logia. Haki based attacks can still be countered by logia users as shown with Aokiji when he was stabbed by Whitebeard and Sabo when he was attacked by Burgess. Akainu most likely shielded himself in haki , which explains why he didn't take magma form while being attacked by WB. This argument doesn't change a thing as there isn't a character who's shown to be capable of getting past the combo of GGnM and YYnM. It doesn't matter if he can't physically match Whitebeard when he can counter any attack via YYnM. If he could physically match WB, then there is no reason for him to sought abilities such as YYnM and GGnM.
Incorrect. Akainu never CLASHED with a high end move from GGnMi with the MaManM, but he has demonstrated the same destructive power with his high end moves. It is therefore only logical that if they did clash he would match it.
It never happened in manga. As I said, the kind of comparison you making is like comparing E.G with KKG. E.G isn't winning a clash against KKG.
And was Akainu not also using casual attacks when he matched WB's casual fodder Quakes? Akainu just held up his foot and flowed magma into it without even launching it, just having it explode on contact with the Quake. His leg wasn't even fully extended, but you talk as though it wasn't casual as well.
It irrelevant though, why because you can't say he could match his high end moves with his own just because he matched a casual move from WB with one of his casual moves. DD casually blocked G3 attacks but what happened when their strongest attacks came into the equation?
This is where you hurt yourself, with that last sentence. You just said in order for Teach to pull this off, he has to be a bit more careful than Teach actually is. Meaning for Blackbeard to pull off what you just said, he'd have to have the personality of someone who isn't Blackbeard. And I have bad news for what that means.
I said a bit more than what he usually does.. I even gave evidence to back it up. He started off the battle with Black Hole, Because he's up against WB which is something he doesn't usually do which can be seen in all of his previous battles. It shows that he can situationally change his attitude. Akainu is obviously strong, So, he won't be as care free as he usually does. If you think just being a bit more careful means a change in personality then it must mean Luffy has multiple personalities. :yeah:
Same reason Teach couldn't just suck in Shanks or Whitebeard. Akainu would just be able to launch himself away from the pull.
That does't even remotely make any sense. It's like me saying Kaido received the best portrayal in regards to strength which directly implies Kaido's superiority over others, then saying that I've never said Kaido is the strongest Yonko. It's irrefutable that you indirectly tried to imply that Akainu is stronger than BB.
Once again, even if's aren't always invalid. I do have something to back my point up when I said it. BB wouldn't have stopped even if it was Akainu, Why because there is noway Akainu would be more of a trouble than Sengoku and Garp together. It makes 0 sense for someone who had no problems with challenging Garp and Sengoku to back down from challenging Akainu. Sure, it's an assumption but a valid one.
I don't think someone who's fine with challenging all WB commanders to a fight would be in any shape to think about his injuries to challenge someone of his level.
BB did run away from both but the circumstances and mind set are clearly different and they play a bigger role than what we think. We've witnessed it like a legion of times that mind set alone can turn the table around in a battle. BB was out of mind when he gained WB's ability. He even went as far as calling himself the strongest and was ready to challenge about anyone at MF. Whereas, it was his normal self. Bear in mind that he didn't even bother attacking a fodder like Luffy, when they argued with each other, because that's the kind of guy he is, It'd be totally unlike BB to be fighting a marine admiral over a ship. He isn't someone that'd do stuff without gaining something big in return.
I said it before that there is no denying Akainu's portrayal. You need to be at certain level to make someone like BB run away. That's for sure. But we can't just compare it with some other scenario or make a case for Akainu's superiority using it as a reference. It's a pirate think to run away from marines after all.
I mostly brought that up because someone said Akainu doesn't have great hype. And since BB was relevant to this discussion, there couldn't have been a better instance to bring up than that.
Also BB stopped when Shanks offered a fight did he not? Despite him having no issues with Garp and Sengoku. Once again, Akainu was not put in that situation thus you can't say BB would have done the same. You can't equalize portrayal.
Akainu is a tryhard but he sure as hell isn't a dumbass. If he tried to fight Shanks right after he just finished fighting WB he'd be the latter.
I mostly brought that up because someone said Akainu doesn't have great hype. And since BB was relevant to this discussion, there couldn't have been a better instance to bring up than that.
Also BB stopped when Shanks offered a fight did he not? Despite him having no issues with Garp and Sengoku. Once again, Akainu was not put in that situation thus you can't say BB would have done the same. You can't equalize portrayal.
Akainu is a tryhard but he sure as hell isn't a dumbass. If he tried to fight Shanks right after he just finished fighting WB he'd be the latter.
It's all about your choice of words. I am pretty sure,it isn't that hard for someone like you to explain Akainu's hype without downplaying other characters involved.
Don't you think that's a double standard? You say Akainu received better portrayal despite him not being in same scenario as Sengoku or vice versa. Still arguing with me about why we can't put him in scenario as Sengoku. Shanks was superior to anyone else at MF. He made BB realize his place with his presence. Akainu was present at MF even prior to Shanks arrival, Yet BB didn't care about it and continued to assault marines.
It's all about your choice of words. I am pretty sure,it isn't that hard for someone like you to explain Akainu's hype without downplaying other characters involved.
Don't you think that's a double standard? You say Akainu received better portrayal despite him not being in same scenario as Sengoku or vice versa. Still arguing with me about why we can't put him in scenario as Sengoku. Shanks was superior to anyone else at MF. He made BB realize his place with his presence. Akainu was present at MF even prior to Shanks arrival, Yet BB didn't care about it and continued to assault marines.
The only characters you can even make a case for me downplaying were Garp and Sengoku deservedly, so how does that make me say Post skip BB is weaker than Akainu?
He recieved better portrayal because BB chose to run away from him, while he didnt mind taking on Garp and Sengoku, sure the situations arent the exact same but he still recieved better portrayal no matter how you look at it.
When it's all said and done BB ran from Shanks and Akainu, not Garp and Sengoku. Oda could have placed any other Admiral there for BB to run away from yet he wanted to give Akainu that hype and portrayal.
The only characters you can even make a case for me downplaying were Garp and Sengoku deservedly, so how does that make me say Post skip BB is weaker than Akainu?
He recieved better portrayal because BB chose to run away from him, while he didnt mind taking on Garp and Sengoku, sure the situations arent the exact same but he still recieved better portrayal no matter how you look at it.
When it's all said and done BB ran from Shanks and Akainu, not Garp and Sengoku. Oda could have placed any other Admiral there for BB to run away from yet he wanted to give Akainu that hype and portrayal.
So tell me, What would you even gain by downplaying Garp and Sengoku in a BB VS Akainu thread? Isn't whole point of hyping Akainu more than Garp and Sengoku is to ultimately imply Akainu's superiority over BB?
I said it before the circumstances and mind set are totally different. You refuse to admit that Akainu would've received same treatment as Sengoku and Garp at MF because we can't tell how he'd have responded to Akainu. Sure, I agree with you but you'll have to agree that there is no telling if BB wouldn't have run away from Sengoku or Garp, if Akainu gets replaced by one of them in that scenario. So, you can't really compare Akainu's case with that of Garp and Sengoku. Are you trying to say Akainu is at a higher level than other admirals because Oda didn't choose anyone else even though the manga clearly implied that he isn't any better than other admirals?
So tell me, What would you even gain by downplaying Garp and Sengoku in a BB VS Akainu thread? Isn't whole point of hyping Akainu more than Garp and Sengoku is to ultimately imply Akainu's superiority over BB?
I said it before the circumstances and mind set are totally different. You refuse to admit that Akainu would've received same treatment as Sengoku and Garp at MF because we can't tell how he'd have responded to Akainu. Sure, I agree with you but you'll have to agree that there is no telling if BB wouldn't have run away from Sengoku or Garp, if Akainu gets replaced by one of them in that scenario. So, you can't really compare Akainu's case with that of Garp and Sengoku. Are you trying to say Akainu is at a higher level than other admirals because Oda didn't choose anyone else even though the manga clearly implied that he isn't any better than other admirals?
