[VS] Blackbeard vs Akainu

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Not all posts deserve proper replies. You give me that emotion fueled rambling 10 times and I'm gonna give it that same reply 10 times lmao.

You want a proper reply, you put in the effort to actually make valid points. You want to put zero effort towards understanding anything I said, that's on you.
Lol

I individually replied to multiple segments of your post and provided facts.. you couldn't do the same and replied with a picture of a trash can and spoke about nonsense that is physically impossible. You lost the debate right then and there..

You failed miserably.. and that's all there is to it..


You and Riker were both defending the same ideals, and he came back again and again with facts and/or at least opinions and kept up the debate without once resulting to childish behavior or personal insults.. Even though him and I have disagreements on the matter, we still spoke like civilized and intelligent human beings about it. And I was able to gain some insight on why he thinks Akainu deserves the win and could see some of his arguments as being reasonable points.. whether it was mutual or not idk..

But either way, you just ended up looking like Akainu's cheerleader at the end of the day..

Now if you have another trash can picture you'd like to reply with don't even bother, all your posts look identical to it anyway..

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I genuinely thought your post was trash. I don't believe you put any effort into it. It was more of a rant then a reply to me. You can vent about Akainu someplace else, I'm not havin it.
 

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"Even ifs" are just opinions. Its like you saying it'll happen that way because you want it to.

Its about portrayal and there is no argument Shanks and Akainu's situations were similar.

Both situations was him leaving both times having to do with it not being the right time.

Also there was no argument to begin with. It was hype for Shanks and Akainu, with people trying to completely ignore it when it comes to Akainu and only bring it up regarding Shanks. So it had to be stated.

Even if's aren't always just opinions. It's been implied on multiple occasions that BB rose up in power since TS and is still trying to improve. So, when I said "even if", I didn't just randomly pull it out of nothing. It was indeed similar to what happened with Shanks but they're not same. There is no denying Akainu was hyped back then, but it's not quite same as Oda conforming that BB is weaker than Akainu in any sense. As I explained it above, it's Shanks who received better portrayal than anyone else. Because he stopped both Akainu as well as BB. There is no denying that Akainu literally became a statue and didn't dare lifting a finger against Shanks when he stood in his path. But, I don't see you guys going around and saying Shanks is stronger than him because of that. All I see are excuses in Akainu's favor. May be because it's Akainu? If what Akainu did was him being wise, then I don't see how it's any different from what BB did in Akainu's case.

Regardless, it's not the portrayal that I am going against. It's the fact that you tried to hype Akainu way more than Garp and Sengoku together, when we don't even know if he was individually stronger than Garp at MF. Garp and Sengoku are the real marine worriers who survived countless battles against true strongest pirates who sailed the seas. Rayleigh evenly matched Kizaru despite being as old as Garp and Sengoku, if he can do that, so can Garp and Sengoku"unless you want to tell me Rayleigh is on a whole new level than Garp" They were still active back then unlike Rayleigh. If BB or anyone for that matter can really challenge both of them together and is confident that he could win, there is no way in blue seas he'd run away from Akainu because he's weaker than him. It is quite evident that BB was juts being cocky at MF and that he was ready to challenge any marine present at MF. So, Akainu ain't any special exception.
 
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I genuinely thought your post was trash. I don't believe you put any effort into it. It was more of a rant then a reply to me. You can vent about Akainu someplace else, I'm not havin it.
Like I said.. you failed miserably.. and completely lost the debate.

You can show your love for Akainu all you want.. but you shouldn't get mad at the facts that other members provide, just because your "fanboy opinion" doesn't match up.

What a joke..
 

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LBeezy, I'll get to you in a second, wanna address this right quick.



What would have had happened if, right here, Akainu had blown through his face instead
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Or continued his assault instead of backing away right here

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Or assaulting him again here instead of letting fodder charge in

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Or, in any of those instances, instead of going with his normal magma fist attack, he used this:

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Just out of curiosity.


You mean like the last time he aimed for his face? Yeah WB would of took it.



WB would of fought back, just because he got one hitting him doesn't mean he'd let Akainu hit a 20 hit combo on him :lmao:


He would of reacted to Akainu.


Implying his flying magma fists are stronger than his direct magma punch :lmao:


Riker sit down.



 

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You mean like the last time he aimed for his face? Yeah WB would of took it.



WB would of fought back, just because he got one hitting him doesn't mean he'd let Akainu hit a 20 hit combo on him :lmao:


He would of reacted to Akainu.


Implying his flying magma fists are stronger than his direct magma punch :lmao:


Riker sit down.



-Says AKainu can't follow up with more attacks as WB would just react......

-A bunch of fodder marines was able to follow up and WB couldn't react.....

You are trying to hard to sound smart......lay off those laughing Iori emotes.
 

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-Says AKainu can't follow up with more attacks as WB would just react......

-A bunch of fodder marines was able to follow up and WB couldn't react.....

You are trying to hard to sound smart......lay off those laughing Iori emotes.

-Thinks because Akainu hit one attack he'd hit a full combo.


-WB also got hit by canonballs so he can't react to them now....


Using emotes mean I'm trying to be smart. Get off my ****.
 

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You mean like the last time he aimed for his face? Yeah WB would of took it.



WB would of fought back, just because he got one hitting him doesn't mean he'd let Akainu hit a 20 hit combo on him :lmao:


He would of reacted to Akainu.


Implying his flying magma fists are stronger than his direct magma punch :lmao:


Riker sit down.



If that's the case, why couldn't WB react to and repel the fodder Marines that stabbed him? If they could get the jump on him, ofc Akainu could have.

WB was mobile when Akainu did go for his face. In the instance I pointed out, WB was immobile because of the heart attack and Akainu's impalement.

Of course a rain of magma fists(one evaporated an iceberg the size of a mountain completely) would have more damage than just one magma punch the size of Akainu's fist.
 

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Even if's aren't always just opinions. It's been implied on multiple occasions that BB rose up in power since TS and is still trying to improve. So, when I said "even if", I didn't just randomly pull it out of nothing. It was indeed similar to what happened with Shanks but they're not same. There is no denying Akainu was hyped back then, but it's not quite same as Oda conforming that BB is weaker than Akainu in any sense. As I explained it above, it's Shanks who received better portrayal than anyone else. Because he stopped both Akainu as well as BB. There is no denying that Akainu literally became a statue and didn't dare lifting a finger against Shanks when he stood in his path. But, I don't see you guys going around and saying Shanks is stronger than him because of that. All I see are excuses in Akainu's favor. May be because it's Akainu? If what Akainu did was him being wise, then I don't see how it's any different from what BB did in Akainu's case.

Regardless, it's not the portrayal that I am going against. It's the fact that you tried to hype Akainu way more than Garp and Sengoku together, when we don't even know if he was individually stronger than Garp at MF. Garp and Sengoku are the real marine worriers who survived countless battles against true strongest pirates who sailed the seas. Rayleigh evenly matched Kizaru despite being as old as Garp and Sengoku, if he can do that, so can Garp and Sengoku"unless you want to tell me Rayleigh is on a whole new level than Garp" They were still active back then unlike Rayleigh. If BB or anyone for that matter can really challenge both of them together and is confident that he could win, there is no way in blue seas he'd run away from Akainu because he's weaker than him. It is quite evident that BB was juts being cocky at MF and that he was ready to challenge any marine present at MF. So, Akainu ain't any special exception.
1.I never argued BB was weaker because of that. I was simply saying Akainu has been hyped and pretty similar to Shanks' situation.

2.I do think Shanks got the best portrayal in the war. And I do have Shanks higher because of it, although its just for the sake of ranking, they should be interchangeable.

I aint making any excuses for Akainu lol, I could give two shits about him.

I am literally stating things exactly as they are. Shanks did recieve better portrayal than Akainu, BB did run away from both Shanks and Akainu for similar reasons, Akainu did recieve better portrayal than Sengoku.

Even though what you are saying is kinda flawed since when Akainu wisely backed off from Shanks he had just finished fighting WB, while BB when he dipped from Akainu was full strength.
Your even if is still not validated, you are assuming BB would treat Akainu the exact same way he did Sengoku and not Shanks. That has no backing compared to what Im saying since with Akainu a Shanks like situation actually did happen.

Its honestly pointless to bring up even ifs as it did not occur in the manga. Especially a topic like portrayal, its not about what could happen but rather the author placing characters in certain situations.

Im sure Smoker could have whooped those supernovas asses back in Saboady yet Kizaru was the one who did it, giving him meaningful portrayal. Do you think Oda would have Vergo beat the shit out of pre skip Supernovas like that? Hell no he isnt qualified to recieve that portrayal.

Thats just how it works regarding portrayal, what happened happened.
 
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Lmao all of you keep crying about hype when Akainu was literally the MVP of the War of the best. He had the most feats and focus in such a pivotal war with multiple top tiers.

In the single most important arc in One Piece regarding strength Akainu was at the absolute center of it, the one who easily stood out the most among legends and countless top tiers.

2.I do think Shanks got the best portrayal in the war.

I am literally stating things exactly as they are. Shanks did recieve better portrayal than Akainu.


Lol Which is it Toshi?




I aint making any excuses for Akainu lol, I could give two shits about him.
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Not all posts deserve proper replies. You give me that emotion fueled rambling 10 times and I'm gonna give it that same reply 10 times lmao.

You want a proper reply, you put in the effort to actually make valid points. You want to put zero effort towards understanding anything I said, that's on you.
oh its more like you cant come up with a proper response. you just dont want to say anything because you cant answer basic questions like if you believe BB and crew < akainu. yet you keep using that post as hype when you get absolutely get called out on it. but hey its ok i guess we will soon find out.


and hype is a valid point you seem like you cant find any manga panels for akainu thats not on me thats your job to prove he is on the levels of garp and others. I can pull up the scans but i assume you being on this base and being an OP manga reader know exactly the hype scans I will put up.

edit: read some of your other absolute bs, how is akainu> garp and sengoku combined. by your logic since BB ran away with akainu but chose to fight sengoku with a backup of garp are u implying akainu is better than both combined. And this is BB after 2 years of being yonko with more exp. Isnt it more likely that BB is just more cunning and not an absolute idiot to fight akainu for no reason. Dude plz theres no way that is the same situation. BB was acting dumb in MF because he was power high, characters dont act the same in all situations. Idk if I can make it any clearer.

If that's the case, why couldn't WB react to and repel the fodder Marines that stabbed him? If they could get the jump on him, ofc Akainu could have.

WB was mobile when Akainu did go for his face. In the instance I pointed out, WB was immobile because of the heart attack and Akainu's impalement.

Of course a rain of magma fists(one evaporated an iceberg the size of a mountain completely) would have more damage than just one magma punch the size of Akainu's fist.
because fodder marines are more likely to cause less damage, but if akainu went for a kiling blow WB would not just stand there. I can ask you the same question and this one is when akainu is falling down unable to move but Wb lets him go. u act like akainu isnt going all out when he absolutely was.

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but lets ignore that part and lets ignore prior damage dealt to Wb but when its luffy vs doffy prior damage counts.
 
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oh its more like you cant come up with a proper response. you just dont want to say anything because you cant answer basic questions like if you believe BB and crew < akainu. yet you keep using that post as hype when you get absolutely get called out on it. but hey its ok i guess we will soon find out.

and hype is a valid point you seem like you cant find any manga panels for akainu thats not on me thats your job to prove he is on the levels of garp and others. I can pull up the scans but i assume you being on this base and being an OP manga reader know exactly the hype scans I will put up.
Who cares about hype when Akainu has feats to contend with their hype?
 

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Who cares about hype when Akainu has feats to contend with their hype?
feats of what?? any yonko should have been able to win that fight with high diff maybe except big mom. if akainu didndt use underhanded tactics and beat a fresh old WB id give him props but he didnt. feats are good and all but in this manga hype is a very useful tool which is how we know kaido> all rn. theres nothing that shows me he is on that level or primes of the top pirates and garp of the golden era. and BB apparently crapped on marco and co and his case grows stronger and stronger. BB rn should be able to beat an injured sick old WB i have no doubt about that.
 
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If that's the case, why couldn't WB react to and repel the fodder Marines that stabbed him? If they could get the jump on him, ofc Akainu could have.

WB was mobile when Akainu did go for his face. In the instance I pointed out, WB was immobile because of the heart attack and Akainu's impalement.

Of course a rain of magma fists(one evaporated an iceberg the size of a mountain completely) would have more damage than just one magma punch the size of Akainu's fist.

If Akainu was charging him he would ignore his crewmates calling for him and focus on Akainu.


By mobile you mean he tilited his head? Wb can do that while not moving.


And the evidence for that is? You seem to think big=stronger, attack potency says hello.
 

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If Akainu was charging him he would ignore his crewmates calling for him and focus on Akainu.

And do what? He couldn't even avoid fodder, how is he going to avoid Akainu?


By mobile you mean he tilited his head? Wb can do that while not moving.
By mobile, I mean the fact that WB moved over to Akainu, cocked his arm back, punched, and was MOVING AROUND. Complete opposite of before, where he was falling to his knees and unable to move. Moving his head would have sure helped a rain of meteors /sarcasm.

And the evidence for that is? You seem to think big=stronger, attack potency says hello.
One of them evaporated a mountain. What feat has Akainu done with his regular sized fist that has matched that?
 

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Lol Which is it Toshi?






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Are you ok? What do those two quotes even have to do with each other?

In one I say Akainu was the MVP, the one focused on the most during the war. In the other I say Shanks recieved the best portrayal in the war. Both these things are true, how in the world do those two things contradict each other?

Lmao why do you keep proving you aren't reading any of my posts or you don't have any reading comprehension.

@arv993

Do you know what portrayal is lmao? Portrayal isnt taken so literally. BB was mocking Sengoku and Garp does that mean he can beat them? Lmfao hell no...use common sense.
 
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I think akainu wins. BB having a year with his devil fruits is what earned him yonkou. A year later he was willing to challenge dragon it seems. I think with a bit more time he will start challenging marine admirals but I don't think he can 1v1 akainu yet. Wait until he gets a third DF and then he will.

Inb4 he takes kaidos devil fruit after luffy beats him.
 

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Yonko > Admirals
thats why Marines need 5admiral lvl guys + 5Shichibukai and 1000s of fodders to execute Ace at MF.
If BB is final villain in OP then he is definately stronger than Akainu.
 

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Yonko > Admirals
thats why Marines need 5admiral lvl guys + 5Shichibukai and 1000s of fodders to execute Ace at MF.
If BB is final villain in OP then he is definately stronger than Akainu.
Because Whitebeard showed up by himself and didnt have his commanders and he didn't also have1000s of fodder. Because WB wasn't overwhelmingly defeated. Oh wait.....
 

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Because Whitebeard showed up by himself and didnt have his commanders and he didn't also have1000s of fodder.
Yonko's crew count as Yonko's strength.
Shichibukai dont count as Admirals strength.
So your logic failed.:p

Because WB wasn't overwhelmingly defeated. Oh wait.....
1)WB was not defeated by Marines. He was killed by BB and his crew.
2)WB & CO. somehow managed to rescue Ace. (so they accomplised what they came for)
Meanwhile 5admirals and 5shichibukai almost failed to execute Ace at MF
 
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