[Discussion] Shady game seller dude, Kawaki and jutsu memory sticks

[paratise]

Before i want to get in subject, can you answer if you like this addition to the manga:

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I personally did not as this changes concept of manga from supernatural ninja to supernatural sci-fi ninja, while i do adore sci-fi genre i think its concepts have time and space. The futuristic scinetific development in this scale and this way does not fit in a manga like this at all imo. Manga gave an appeal of a pastoral and supernatural sense, not cyberpunk.

Besides how regular people can use it, doesn't the jutsu manifestation need chakra? They can make small scalle jutsus maybe. If chakra is not the concern Tenten is going to be OP bc she has the best aim in village lol.

Now, getting to my point:

The scarface Kawaki said age of ninja is over:

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The shady game seller Katasuke was well being shady about implementing 8 gb memory sticks to an effin ninja exams:

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Here are my main points:

-The ninja arm usb port is worn on arms like the tattoos of Kawaki and Boruto
-The ninja arm thingies are hinted to be some sort of ending sign of concept of ninja by Boruto
-The Katasuke dude appear to be cliche doctor/scientist anime dude who wants to get away with his weird sciency things but not allowed by authorities. So he gonna go out of way to experiment/implement his weird sciency things in wrong ways to wrong people (Ex: Oro getting kicked out for his weird and unethical experiments) like a creepy anime scinetist would do.

Prolly Katasuke gave the power to Kawaki person bc he wanted to see the results/take revenge on ppl who did not get the great science, and Boruto tries to stop him or smthn.

Idk if similar thread was done if so, well idk and i am sorry.

 

[wanderingcactus]

yeah they moved too quickly on the technology if you ask me. Unless the continent is just behind as they use techs more based off of chakra while the other continents have not and used to rely on technology to gain the upper hand on others.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Nice theory I am sure it won't happen.

 

[Claymantan]

Yeah, I'm not a fan. Seems like a kind of juvenile plotline.

 

[paratise]

yeah they moved too quickly on the technology if you ask me. Unless the continent is just behind as they use techs more based off of chakra while the other continents have not and used to rely on technology to gain the upper hand on others.

Other continents?

Nice theory I am sure it won't happen.

Thanks

Yeah, I'm not a fan. Seems like a kind of juvenile plotline.

Most additional plotlines (be it next gen kids or these new techs) seems even more outlandish than fanfics. Well if my half assed theory is true this odd addition will go somewhere, but regardless it is not a quality plotline or plotdevice.

Maybe i am being nostalgic but i liked the supernatural/pastoral sense of ninjaworld with sad Naruto flute tone in background music

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

That device was introduced precisely because it has the potential to change the concept of the manga. It challenges the very nature of ninja Naruto believes in by undermining the importance of training, which is why it wasn't allowed in chunnin exam. The conflict of tech vs hard work is one of the central themes in the Boruto movie. Of course, in the end that dude's technology was futile against momoshiki.

But that probably didn't stop katasuke from further improving his gadgets, to the point they will be effective even against rikudo level enemies. Kawaki will either steal it or be entrusted with this technology, which he will use against shinobis

 

[awesomeseimei]

I've been writing sci-fi fanfics about Naruto back in late 2000s but I've never really wanted them to become true. I, too, liked the science fantasy feel, but then again, the Otsutsuki-related stuff kind of ruined that feel for me anyway.

 

[paratise]

That device was introduced precisely because it has the potential to change the concept of the manga. It challenges the very nature of ninja Naruto believes in by undermining the importance of training, which is why it wasn't allowed in chunnin exam. The conflict of tech vs hard work is one of the central themes in the Boruto movie. Of course, in the end that dude's technology was futile against momoshiki.

But that probably didn't stop katasuke from further improving his gadgets, to the point they will be effective even against rikudo level enemies. Kawaki will either steal it or be entrusted with this technology, which he will use against shinobis

I did not watch the movie, thanks for that addition.

Hardwork was always trashed around in Naruto despite being a major concept, but to see that an average Joe can use a secret clan technique with no background whatsoever is another level of it. Boruto probably is going to win by doing something ninja-ish unlike Kawaki.

 

[Angelic.]

I don't think bolt will go back to asking Katass for anything

 

[Claymantan]

That device was introduced precisely because it has the potential to change the concept of the manga. It challenges the very nature of ninja Naruto believes in by undermining the importance of training, which is why it wasn't allowed in chunnin exam. The conflict of tech vs hard work is one of the central themes in the Boruto movie. Of course, in the end that dude's technology was futile against momoshiki.

But that probably didn't stop katasuke from further improving his gadgets, to the point they will be effective even against rikudo level enemies. Kawaki will either steal it or be entrusted with this technology, which he will use against shinobis

It's possible that the tech will just be used to teach Boruto the meaning of being a ninja, and then won't get a larger part in the story beyond that.

 

[paratise]

I've been writing sci-fi fanfics about Naruto back in late 2000s but I've never really wanted them to become true. I, too, liked the science fantasy feel, but then again, the Otsutsuki-related stuff kind of ruined that feel for me anyway.

Actual authors are outdoing the fanfic writers in drastic changes.

I don't think bolt will go back to asking Katass for anything

That nerd will need new games.

It's possible that the tech will just be used to teach Boruto the meaning of being a ninja, and then won't get a larger part in the story beyond that.

Aww that is a real Naruto classic.

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

It's possible that the tech will just be used to teach Boruto the meaning of being a ninja, and then won't get a larger part in the story beyond that.

Now what I think about it yeah. Seeing as Kawaki wants to end the era of ninja I would assume some advanced technology will be involved. However using katasuke's tech might be kind of hypocritical as its power still stems from ninjutsu.

 

[awesomeseimei]

I think it's a problem though because the whole "technology vs hard work" conflict, when set up like this, comes off as technophobic. I mean, I understand Naruto's point when he didn't want to allow Boruto to use it, but there's nothing wrong with combining ninjutsu and technology in general. Kishimoto deliberately avoided giving them technological advances (even if it wasn't logical), but then ended up making it so they had a sudden leap in technology anyway. So in theory, yes, it should change the ninja concept. In-universe, that shouldn't be a necessarily bad thing - they could explore a lot more different possibilities with those new devices. But to us, readers, it is definitely a rather sudden change, and a potential change of the tone. And I really, really hope this tone won't be technophobic. Perhaps they should introduce devices that also require a lot of skill to master? Put people who are skilled with technology against ninja?

Eh, I don't know, I'm just ranting.

 

[wanderingcactus]

Other continents?

yeah.. have you seen the map?

like that's not the entire world im assuming cuz then that's one hella small planet.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I have seen something similar before. The theory.

But any ways thanks for sharing a plausible theory

 

[chopstickchakra]

Before i want to get in subject, can you answer if you like this addition to the manga:

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I personally did not as this changes concept of manga from supernatural ninja to supernatural sci-fi ninja, while i do adore sci-fi genre i think its concepts have time and space. The futuristic scinetific development in this scale and this way does not fit in a manga like this at all imo. Manga gave an appeal of a pastoral and supernatural sense, not cyberpunk.

Besides how regular people can use it, doesn't the jutsu manifestation need chakra? They can make small scalle jutsus maybe. If chakra is not the concern Tenten is going to be OP bc she has the best aim in village lol.

Now, getting to my point:

The scarface Kawaki said age of ninja is over:

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The shady game seller Katasuke was well being shady about implementing 8 gb memory sticks to an effin ninja exams:

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Here are my main points:

-The ninja arm usb port is worn on arms like the tattoos of Kawaki and Boruto
-The ninja arm thingies are hinted to be some sort of ending sign of concept of ninja by Boruto
-The Katasuke dude appear to be cliche doctor/scientist anime dude who wants to get away with his weird sciency things but not allowed by authorities. So he gonna go out of way to experiment/implement his weird sciency things in wrong ways to wrong people (Ex: Oro getting kicked out for his weird and unethical experiments) like a creepy anime scinetist would do.

Prolly Katasuke gave the power to Kawaki person bc he wanted to see the results/take revenge on ppl who did not get the great science, and Boruto tries to stop him or smthn.

Idk if similar thread was done if so, well idk and i am sorry.

Wish I saw this before I made mine. I agree.

 

[paratise]

I think it's a problem though because the whole "technology vs hard work" conflict, when set up like this, comes off as technophobic. I mean, I understand Naruto's point when he didn't want to allow Boruto to use it, but there's nothing wrong with combining ninjutsu and technology in general. Kishimoto deliberately avoided giving them technological advances (even if it wasn't logical), but then ended up making it so they had a sudden leap in technology anyway. So in theory, yes, it should change the ninja concept. In-universe, that shouldn't be a necessarily bad thing - they could explore a lot more different possibilities with those new devices. But to us, readers, it is definitely a rather sudden change, and a potential change of the tone. And I really, really hope this tone won't be technophobic. Perhaps they should introduce devices that also require a lot of skill to master? Put people who are skilled with technology against ninja?

Eh, I don't know, I'm just ranting.

If there will ever be a "technology vs ~real~ work" discourse ever happen in manga, it can never adapt to our World for the simple fact that technology did not lessen the amount of work people did, but it transformed it and created new types of Work.

For example i am studying landscape architecture, and CAD programs and compter usage made a drastic leap in last 2 decades. This does not mean we work less than people who did decades ago with rapido pens and meters long sketch papers, in fact the old timers tell us the competition increased a lot more and we need to live up to the capabilities and expectations programs offer us.

But the way technology portrayed in Naruto is very commercial like. In fact, new technology comes off as newfound and borderline scary to many people. The way Konohamaru portrayted it looked like a 90s internet add with magical shiny device which makes things easier. A new technology means a new effort at the same time, but manga says "oh look now everything is much easier with no effort". Well that tool indeed seems like a magical shiny device, but there should be more to it other than a possible unlimited power.

yeah.. have you seen the map?

like that's not the entire world im assuming cuz then that's one hella small planet.

That old Nardo world map? Yeah i saw it. I thought maybe a new map with new big continents and stuff came out.

 

[awesomeseimei]

But the way technology portrayed in Naruto is very commercial like. In fact, new technology comes off as newfound and borderline scary to many people. The way Konohamaru portrayted it looked like a 90s internet add with magical shiny device which makes things easier. A new technology means a new effort at the same time, but manga says "oh look now everything is much easier with no effort". Well that tool indeed seems like a magical shiny device, but there should be more to it other than a possible unlimited power.

And that portrayal doesn't make much sense as Kishimoto's been making the manga technologically ambiguous before. They had computers, chakra radios, small radios, all that lab equipment, but somehow no other advancements, most notably transportation - that's because he wanted it to be ambiguous, deliberately including some things and excluding others.

Now, though, we are supposed to believe they've reached a certain level in technology. Which is why it doesn't seem like science fantasy anymore. The theme of technology challenging the old ninja ways came from nowhere. Again, it makes sense without context, but it doesn't work well in this particular setting.

 

[lndra]

I don't really think Boruto went back to Katasuke. He was pretty pissed at Katasuke when he found out he used him.

Either way it sounds interesting.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

its some nice theory which you wrote there.