Hebi Sasuke was not kage level!!!

[Nardo]

First off alt. Being kage lvl dont = capable of killing any kages, it's just a rank. Secondly there is tiers, low-mid-high tier kages. Thirdly if deidara is capable of defeating gaara in his own turf and yet he couldn't defeat sauce even W/ tobi's help that is kage lvl. Same logic applied to sage mode naruto. Defeating pain put him into kage lvl. :lol

You can't compare Pain with Deidara :|

Gaara didn't have an advantage? Haha, this base.

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Deidara didn't even use a single high tier enhanced Clay on him (C1, C2 or C4, which he did on Sasuke). When he used C3 on the village, he was already low on chakra from having to deal with a bunch of clay birds that weren't even at C1:

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And gets taken out like a trash bag with a small amount of chakra mixed with sand to create an explosion. So, basically, he used his most high caliber jutsu on Sasuke, and Sasuke still defeated him despite being at a major disadvantage. He never did so on Gaara. Gaara is at a Major advantage, Deidara at a major disadvantage, as like Sasuke, he wanted him alive ... Gaara still loses so badly. But Deidara and Sasuke aren't Kage tier, but this guy who got outsmarted like a chum, got beat despite being on his own turf (desert) ... somehow is?

Gaara wankery is so nauseating, when Gaara was beaten before he even pulled out that sand to defend the town.

So you're gonna act like Deidara didn't have intel?

 

[Claymantan]

So you're gonna act like Deidara didn't have intel?

Even without intel, Deidara's favorite method to start a fight is in the air with his dragon. He would have gotten intel pretty easily.

 

[Nardo]

Even without intel, Deidara's favorite method to start a fight is in the air with his dragon. He would have gotten intel pretty easily.

Regardless, he had intel and knew Gaara's attacks.

 

[shelke]

You can't compare Pain with Deidara :|

So you're gonna act like Deidara didn't have intel?

And you are going to act like he gathered intel on a Jinchuriki that are closely guarded secrets? He was collecting ALL intel during the battle:

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Despite facing nothing but homing birds, he gets a final nail in his coffin with one:

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If that ain't the definition of a jackass, then I don't know what is.

 

[LoZelda101]

You can't compare Pain with Deidara :|



So you're gonna act like Deidara didn't have intel?

And you can't compare hashirama with minato. Both still kage lvl

 

[Jokule67]

ABC logic at its finest. Sasuke was Deidaras worst matchup. Raiton deactivated his bombs. Including the move that actually got thru garras defense cuz it was so tiny. Plus Garra had a whole village to protect from an atomic bomb gtfo off here.

 

[LoZelda101]

ABC logic at its finest. Sasuke was Deidaras worst matchup. Raiton deactivated his bombs. Including the move that actually got thru garras defense cuz it was so tiny. Plus Garra had a whole village to protect from an atomic bomb gtfo off here.

Lmao then by your logic sasuke has been getting **** screwed by disadvantages ever since he unlocked MS.

Via : fights killer bee, someone who can perfectly counter his gen, lightning, precog and supposedly amaterasu. A>B>C logic right? Unfair match up for sauce and a lucky match up for KB according to you.

 

[NarutoX28]

You can't compare Pain with Deidara :|



So you're gonna act like Deidara didn't have intel?

That doesn't matter. Deidara devised an intelligent plan to bypass Gaara's defense based on his analysis of Gaara's Gourd Sand and the usage of Sunagakure's Sand.

 

[Silent Hero]

Why are ninja being put on a Kage level? I have never understood that. It is a position of leadership, not a measurement of strength in actual combat.

In this imaginary "Kage level" you have ninja ranging from Old Hiruzen to Hashirama Senju...Can Hebi Sasuke contend with most of the ninja who were actually kage ranked? Yes, he can contend with a lot of them.

 

[Jokule67]

Lmao then by your logic sasuke has been getting **** screwed by disadvantages ever since he unlocked MS.

Via : fights killer bee, someone who can perfectly counter his gen, lightning, precog and supposedly amaterasu. A>B>C logic right? Unfair match up for sauce and a lucky match up for KB according to you.

ABC logic is Saying Sasuke Hebi would win in that situation just because he beat Deidara. That does not work in NV for reasons you just posted yourself.

 

[Jokule67]

That doesn't matter. Deidara devised an intelligent plan to bypass Gaara's defense based on his analysis of Gaara's Gourd Sand and the usage of Sunagakure's Sand.

Which Sasuke cant do by the way. Deidara was simply a bad matchup for Garra like Sasuke was a bad matchup for him.

 

[NarutoX28]

Which Sasuke cant do by the way. Deidara was simply a bad matchup for Garra like Sasuke was a bad matchup for him.

Sasuke was never a bad match-up for Deidara. It was the other way around.

And Sasuke can certainly analyze the differences between both types of Gaara's sand if Deidara did it.

 

[Jokule67]

Sasuke was never a bad match-up for Deidara. It was the other way around.

And Sasuke can certainly analyze the differences between both types of Gaara's sand if Deidara did it.

Garra only lost because of the village.

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Also Thats where you are wrong. Sasuke saw through everything with his sharingan(example mines) and his raiton automatically shut his bombs off(including the cellular ones in his body). Sasuks had a perfect counter for Deidaras main attack. Bombs.

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He discovered his clear advantage of Cancelling the bombs. Of course it wasnt a clear cut win, it never is deidara lost an arm against garra. But you cant deny Sasuke's Raiton was the key element winning that fight.


Yes Deidara knew about Garras sand, that doesnt mean Sasuke would have done better just because Deidara lost to Sasuke. Thats ABC logic which I dont agree to.

 

[shelke]

^ He lost well before it. When he protected the village, he was already low on chakra. I even posted the scans, but it looks like you prefer selective reading.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

The mines were 90% of Sasuke's troubles. He based his entire strategy against Deidara around those mines, and Deidara based his entire strategy against Sasuke around those mines.

So yes. It's a big deal. Sasuke fought 2v1 in that fight while holding back in order to capture Deidara alive for questioning, and while having to maintain enough chakra to keep Orochimaru sealed within him.

You're reaching now and it's obvious, such a desperate attempt too.

Deidara could have easily had a clay clone lay the mines, it just happened that Tobi was there so he had Tobi do it.

That was nowhere near what you would call a 2-1, it was a 1-1 plain and simple.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Id disagree that hebi sasuke can beat hiruzen, thats underating him. People ignore the fact oro uses edo tensei in his fight with hiruzen. It was 3 on 1 and hiruzen was old as shit, but he still managed to rob oro of his arms.


Kazekage garaa, at least early part 2 is debateable but i think end series garaa would beat hebi sasuke. Even that is debateable though. I think you underestimate hebi sasuke a bit. He didnt have ms yet but his analytical skills were top notch and he had good speed, and powerful jutsu he could use. Plus he had the curse seal granting him imperfect senjutsu chakra.

First of all, it was NEVER a 3-1. Oro's edo tensei at the time was inferior to Kabuto's and war arc Oro.

Oro didn't, NOT EVEN ONCE, move from the spot he was standing after the edos started attacking Hiruzen. Why? Because that version of edo required him to remain focussed and continuosly mold chakra in order to control them.

Don't believe me? Go watch/read the fight again, you'll see, Oro has his hands clasped together in concentration the whole time the edos are fighting.

Secondly, those edos were dog shit, far weaker than the war arc edos, and even those edos, which were far stronger than the ones Hiruzen fought, were not at their peak strength according to Tobirama.

Thirdly, Oro was toying with Hiruzen using the edos, he even said so, and yet Hiruzen was still pushed to his limits.

Hiruzen is dog shit, plain and simple. Had to resort to a suicide tech to stop edos even though war arc fodders were sealing edos left right and centre without committing suicide, even Gaara had a sealing tech for edos.

Hiruzen is fodder. Even prime Hiruzen is average compared to the top tiers.

Prime Hiruzen has what? Five nature affinities and Enma? That puts him at Kakuzu level at best, and yet, Kakuzu can use five different natures at the same time whereas Hiruzen can use maybe three (with shadow clones) at the same time, and Kakuzu is immortal and has those tendrils that can hold down even the nibi.

That's Hiruzen's level, or lower. Minato, Naruto,Tobirama, Hashirama, Jiraiya, Tsunade, are all > Hiruzen, and even kamaui Kakashi stomps Hiruzen.

 

[DemiNaruto]

not to mention his skillset compared to someone like tsunade. has a boss summon like her, diversified ninjutsu unlike her, speed above her and a sharingan to booth in addition to CM lv 1 and 2 alongside orochimarus abilities like white snake healing and snake summons yet she is kage lv but sasuke is not? rubbish. then there are the feats as well.

in a fight, he smokes tusnade and he can beat mei as well just to answer that guys question.


Deidara not being at kage tier is a joke and your attempts at degrading him is pitiful. he was at more of a disadvantage than gaara, he didnt go all out as he was there to capture and not kill thats much harder as he himself states.

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hence why he didnt use any of his high tier clay jutsus he unleashed against sasuke. added to this is the fact that gaara had the location advantage due to it being in the desert so he had access to as much sand as he wished. still lost.

and your points are weak, manda was sasukes summon , its part of his arsenal so saying without manda is completely pointless. not to mention he is the one who summoned and controlled manda and used it to shield himself, its not like it randomly jumped in on its own and saved sasuke. he blew himself up because he was pushed to doing so we are saying the same thing. the fight wouldnt have even gotten to that point if sasuke was out for the kill otherwise deidara would have received a

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sasuke also previously casually shat on a 4 man team which inlcuded a seasoned anbu ninja who is jounin lv without the need to tap into cm. orochimaru had to save them. he is not kage lv? i think you and the op are having a laugh

Manda was his summon but put it under Genjutsu right smh stop there. Once again Gara had the area advantage but couldn't fully utilize it because he didn't want to destroy the village or put his people in harm. Even his brother stated that to the higher ups. Deidara was fodder as a character, he was just a tactical long range fighter. He was getting negged by Kakashi with kamui, negged by Naruto in v1 state and faked his death. He is not kage tier at all. Even look at the war in his ego state he got negged by jounins, cmon.

And your stating a four man team consisting of fodder Sakura, overhyped sai and yamato, and a worn down Naruto!!! Smh I guess that's a feat lmao

Him nor hebi sasuke was kage level pure fanfic bs.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Hebi Sasuke jounin level......:axedance:

 

[Umari Senju]

Tsunade.

Tsunade can beat Hebi Sasuke. With Byakugou and her jutsu that switches the wiring in the brain on how the body works ( like she did to Kabuto) Hebi Sasuke would fair about as well as he did against Itachi. A close fight but nothing strong enough to stop Tsunade in Byakugou.

MS Sasuke is another story.

As to Hebi Sasuke being Kage level. Close but I'd say Hebi Sasuke is S Rank. MS tips him into the Kage league. And Diedara was S rank and not Hokage. Just because Deidara beat a Kage ( a young and inexperienced one at that. And barely to boot)

Doesn't mean Sasuke is Kage level by default on that. Close but not quite.

 

[LoZelda101]

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The ****. Since when you need exp to be a good kage lvl? Lmao.