[VS] Sakura vs Sasori (rematch)

Sakura vs Sasori (rematch)

  • War arc sakura wins

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Sasori wins

    Votes: 8 61.5%

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Chiyo claims here that you must both "know the ins and outs of the traps set in the master craftsman's puppet" AND "have the ability to react to the situation and avoid an attack in an instant" .

Sakura may have the second one in the bag, but without knowledge of the puppet and it's traps there is no plausible way she will dodge every single trap without being touched at least once. Sakura was surprised at majority of the early traps , . Had it not been for Chiyo's presence Sakura logically would have been ended very early on in the fight.

I personally believe that Sakura is the stronger ninja, but without knowledge and prep time I don't think she will be able to win.
 
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Chiyo claims here that you must both "know the ins and outs of the traps set in the master craftsman's puppet" AND "have the ability to react to the situation and avoid an attack in an instant" .

Sakura may have the second one in the bag, but without knowledge of the puppet and it's traps there is no plausible way she will dodge every single trap without being touched at least once. Sakura was surprised at majority of the early traps , . Had it not been for Chiyo's presence Sakura logically would have been ended very early on in the fight.

I personally believe that Sakura is the stronger ninja, but without knowledge and prep time I don't think she will be able to win.
what's to stop war arc sakura from just smashing the ground to disrupt sasori while the large debris block or fall upon such traps?

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what's to stop war arc sakura from just smashing the ground to disrupt sasori while the large debris block or fall upon such traps?

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Exactly.
Also Sasori created Hiruko ( basically an armor ) because the puppeteers are usually at a huge disadvantage in a CqC battle. If the enemy is fast enough to slip past the puppets and attack the user, he/she is surely done for. We've seen how easily early part2 Sakura destroyed it, now she doesn't even have to get close to do the same thing.
 

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what's to stop war arc sakura from just smashing the ground to disrupt sasori while the large debris block or fall upon such traps?

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I'm assuming there is no knowledge in this fight. Give her knowledge and there is a debate, otherwise she is scratched.

Why would Sakura make such a massive crater in order to deflect senbon, and how will she know where the attacks are coming from if she does not have a understanding of Hiroku like Chiyo does? She will not be able to defend herself because she does not know how to. Before she started to read through Sasori, Chiyo was literally keeping her alive.
It's heavily implied here that Chiyo was the cause of Sakura not being tagged . Nothing about the Yin Seal would change the outcome of the beginning of that fight.

Trying to use debris to defend herself is not advisable because she can't aim the debris, literally it will just be flying in all directions (not that she would make such a large crater anyways). She will get herself killed that way. Without Chiyo's intel Sakura is going to be fighting very cautiously and very defensively; because she has no choice.
 

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Why do you assume there is no knowledge when the title says rematch? That usually means the participants have fought in the past.
Unless it is provided in the OP, nothing was really given. In his title it could be a rematch with or without knowledge which is why he should have specified.

She can do much more with knowledge...so much more. Hiruko wouldn't even be a problem in that case.
 

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Unless it is provided in the OP, nothing was really given. In his title it could be a rematch with or without knowledge which is why he should have specified.

She can do much more with knowledge...so much more. Hiruko wouldn't even be a problem in that case.
Well a rematch means intel for me, but whatever. However I agree, without intel Sakura isn't winning this.
 

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Chiyo claims here that you must both "know the ins and outs of the traps set in the master craftsman's puppet" AND "have the ability to react to the situation and avoid an attack in an instant" .

Sakura may have the second one in the bag, but without knowledge of the puppet and it's traps there is no plausible way she will dodge every single trap without being touched at least once. Sakura was surprised at majority of the early traps , . Had it not been for Chiyo's presence Sakura logically would have been ended very early on in the fight.

I personally believe that Sakura is the stronger ninja, but without knowledge and prep time I don't think she will be able to win.
You can make a case for that, but Pre-War Arc Sakura was already reacting to dozens of Sasori's puppets simultaneously, so a far superior Sakura should have no problem evading these traps.
 

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You can make a case for that, but Pre-War Arc Sakura was already reacting to dozens of Sasori's puppets simultaneously, so a far superior Sakura should have no problem evading these traps.
There is no arguing whether Sakura is reflexive enough or not to evade the traps. She has proven to be in multiple instances during the war (and even some in this fight). Chiyo's statement about "knowing the ins and outs of the traps set in the master craftsman's puppet" is still valid. Puppet masters rely on cunning, and hidden traps, not the actual speed of the tools. Assuming Sakura has no knowledge then she doesn't have the second thing Chiyo stated was necessary. If she does have the knowledge, then that is different.

For example; Sasori's silly stream of senbon in the opening of the fight were obviously not an issue, but when the trap moved on to it's second stage, Chiyo's knowledge stopped something icky from happening .
 
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There is no arguing whether Sakura is reflexive enough or not to evade the traps. She has proven to be in multiple instances during the war (and even some in this fight). Chiyo's statement about "knowing the ins and outs of the traps set in the master craftsman's puppet" is still valid. Puppet masters rely on cunning, hidden traps, not the actual speed of the tools.
Knowing the ins and outs of the traps is helpful in predicting the movements of the traps due to their unpredictable behavior, but that doesn't mean those attacks are simply unavoidable. You have to take into account that Chiyo made that statement in relation to how powerful the duo was at the time, so yes, that statement held true for Pre-War Arc Sakura and Chiyo, but that doesn't mean that this statement has to apply to War Arc Sakura.

Not only that, but there were traps that even Chiyo wasn't aware of as Hiruko was upgraded since the last time they fought yet she had no problem predicting the traps, not to mention that she could actually react to Sasori's usage of Satetsu despite lacking experience in dealing with that technique, so that statement is not necessarily a fact.

For example; Sasori's silly stream of senbon in the opening of the fight were obviously not an issue, but when the trap moved on to is second stage, Chiyo's knowledge stopped something icky from happening .
And Chiyo reacted to it. She had no knowledge of that trap as that mechanism was on Hiruko's left arm, something Chiyo was unaware of:



The exclamation mark emphasizes that point. Chiyo merely reacted due to her impressive reflexes, not because she knew the ins and outs of Sasori's traps because she conceded that she wasn't aware of this trap.
 

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Knowing the ins and outs of the traps is helpful in predicting the movements of the traps due to their unpredictable behavior, but that doesn't mean those attacks are simply unavoidable. You have to take into account that Chiyo made that statement in relation to how powerful the duo was at the time, so yes, that statement held true for Pre-War Arc Sakura and Chiyo, but that doesn't mean that this statement has to apply to War Arc Sakura.
When Chiyo made her statement she didn't seem to be explicitly referring to her and Sakura. Chiyo says " ", which implies that what she was telling Sakura were more along the lines of being the most basic rules of combating any puppeteer.





Not only that, but there were traps that even Chiyo wasn't aware of as Hiruko was upgraded since the last time they fought yet she had no problem predicting the traps, not to mention that she could actually react to Sasori's usage of Satetsu despite lacking experience in dealing with that technique, so that statement is not necessarily a fact.



And Chiyo reacted to it. She had no knowledge of that trap as that mechanism was on Hiruko's left arm, something Chiyo was unaware of:



The exclamation mark emphasizes that point. Chiyo merely reacted due to her impressive reflexes, not because she knew the ins and outs of Sasori's traps because she conceded that she wasn't aware of this trap.
This is true. But, Sasori continues to say things such as "even the brat", "that's it you old hag!", and "no wonder even that little girl would be able to avoid my traps". This would mean that Chiyo's reason for controlling Sakura is because she was more reflexive then Sakura was? Sasori even says here that Chiyo Even if she didn't have knowledge, her puppeteer expertise and knowledge of at least Sasori's older puppet must have played a role here. I don't think that Chiyo was going off of reflex alone.
 

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When Chiyo made her statement she didn't seem to be explicitly referring to her and Sakura. Chiyo says " ", which implies that what she was telling Sakura were more along the lines of being the most basic rules of combating any puppeteer.
Chiyo was referring to the idea that one requires a high level of battle experience to know the ins and outs of traps as well as having the reflexes needed to evade them. She was directly referring to the idea that her battle experience paled in comparison to Chiyo's which was why Chiyo was more suited for that.

This is true. But, Sasori continues to say things such as "even the brat", "that's it you old hag!", and "no wonder even that little girl would be able to avoid my traps". This would mean that Chiyo's reason for controlling Sakura is because she was more reflexive then Sakura was? Sasori even says here that Chiyo Even if she didn't have knowledge, her puppeteer expertise and knowledge of at least Sasori's older puppet must have played a role here. I don't think that Chiyo was going off of reflex alone.
Chiyo seeing all of his traps does not imply that she was able to react to them because she was aware of Sasori's traps. As proven before, Chiyo didn't, so we could chalk that up to both battle experience and reflexes which is both something Sakura obtained through the War Arc.

I agree though that Chiyo's experience dealing with Sasori's Hiruko was partially due to her knowledge of puppetry, but she still admitted that Hiruko modified some of his older traps, so it wasn't entirely because she had experience in puppetry that she could react to his attacks. Furthermore, Chiyo states that the trap's effectiveness comes from the fact that these traps are launched everywhere:



But didn't Pre War Arc Sakura prove that she could evade traps similar to this through Sasori's Satetsu:



This was one of Sasori's best attacks from Sandaime Kazekage who is known as the Best Kazekage the Sand Village has ever had yet Sakura managed to evade most of it, enough to only have parts of her body grazed. Since War Arc Sakura not only has higher battle experience, but significantly higher reflexes, evading Sasori's traps shouldn't be a problem.

Of course, it's still a tricky battle because I'm of the belief that Sasori could simply manipulate Iron Sand and use it for aerial combat which could place Sakura at a disadvantage. I still see Sakura winning this fight, but due to Iron Sand's ability to be manipulated to suit any situation, Sasori could potentially cause Sakura to struggle through aerial combat.
 

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You can make a case for that, but Pre-War Arc Sakura was already reacting to dozens of Sasori's puppets simultaneously, so a far superior Sakura should have no problem evading these traps.
No she wasnt. That is in the anime only. She punched the ground and was left wide open for chiyo to save her.

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She was out classed in every aspect and had the antidote to help with scrapes. She gets molested with out the same exact prep and help!
 

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No she wasnt. That is in the anime only. She punched the ground and was left wide open for chiyo to save her.

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She was out classed in every aspect and had the antidote to help with scrapes. She gets molested with out the same exact prep and help!


I was referring to here, but I'll concede because it was only one panel.

I doubt she gets molested. She can transverse a large distance such as here to easily bypass Sasori's puppets:



And deliver a deadly blow:

 

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I was referring to here, but I'll concede because it was only one panel.

I doubt she gets molested. She can transverse a large distance such as here to easily bypass Sasori's puppets:



And deliver a deadly blow:

You seriously think Sakura would be stupid enough to jump in the air and be defenseless? She doesn't more faster then teh speed of sound and gets sniped no diff by iron sand. Or swarmed in teh air from countless puppets. The jump punch is the most foolish thing ever!

Eventually she gets the strings attached to her to control her movements and that's GG. This is literally a low diff win no matter how anyone puts it. Sasori's reactions are so beyond her its sad. He will react to everything she has ever showed no diff and has a counter for everything she has shown. This is literally not up for debate even with antidotes or complete immunity
 

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Yes because the iron sand obviously moves with the speed of sound, and definitely faster than Kaguya's chakra arms.
lol its 2016 and yo all are still taking that instance out of context? She isn't faster then the arm, and the arm was going to catch her easily if she yet again wasnt saved. lol Please stop.
 

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Yes because the iron sand obviously moves with the speed of sound, and definitely faster than Kaguya's chakra arms.
That she couldn't avoid anyways so what is your point?

Still find it humurous that people think Sakura can jump up in the air against any shinobi and not be punished for it, she gets blasted out of the sky if she even attempts to jump anywhere.
 

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That she couldn't avoid anyways so what is your point?

Still find it humurous that people think Sakura can jump up in the air against any shinobi and not be punished for it, she gets blasted out of the sky if she even attempts to jump anywhere.
The point is not that she can blitz jump and crash the ground without being countered, Sakura doesn't even need to jump accomplish what she did on the war, the point is that she could avoid the initial attack of Kaguya's hand, but the hand redirected the attack in the direction Sakura was running, so she would have got caught anyway.
 

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You seriously think Sakura would be stupid enough to jump in the air and be defenseless? She doesn't more faster then teh speed of sound and gets sniped no diff by iron sand. Or swarmed in teh air from countless puppets. The jump punch is the most foolish thing ever!

Eventually she gets the strings attached to her to control her movements and that's GG. This is literally a low diff win no matter how anyone puts it. Sasori's reactions are so beyond her its sad. He will react to everything she has ever showed no diff and has a counter for everything she has shown. This is literally not up for debate even with antidotes or complete immunity
How did you come to this conclusion?
 
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