SRA Neji VS Sakon/Ukon
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Claymantan
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What happens in the video seems to be exactly what I say happens. He stops them, and they stare deeply into each others' eyes, and then he releases Kaiten. XD Am I missing something?
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Curse's argument is that Neji has to attack, and if Neji is attacking, he can't also be doing this. I agree with him on that point. At the moment that Neji attacks, they merge, and since Neji can't have Kaiten started while attacking, the merge happens due to its extreme speed.
The counter that neosmith presented, as I understood it, is that Neji should be able to see the chakra buildup, and with full intel, he should know that they're going to try to merge, especially because they have to be CM2. I don't agree that Neji can react in time to put up pre-Kaiten if Sukon have already begun to merge. Kaiten's been shown to activate extremely quickly, but so has Sukon's merge KKG. However, I think he - or someone - also said Neji could try to feint them into going for merge, and then punish them for it. Since Sukon can't last as long as Neji, ultimately they have to find a way to trick Neji in CQC - which was what that argument about Sukon's CQC abilities was, I suppose. And that's probably not happening.
I'm leaning more and more towards the stalemate scenario, with Neji just outlasting Sukon, because with full intel I feel like both sides are too scared to do anything. The problem is full intel. If this was no intel, Sukon win. With intel, both sides are immediately aware of how much of a sudden-death match this can be, and they don't really have viable alternatives for the victory conditions of their fighting styles. XD
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In actuality neos arguement is that neji is fully capable of expeling the chakra shield before he even engages sukon. Simply expelling the chakra shield would not male neji lose his ability to move or engage sukon in cqc with the chakra already active. Then when neji is in close quarters with chakra already active he uses his superior skill to time the execution of his kaiten and subsequently blasts them away.
If this was no Intel and in character neji should win easily all the same since sukons nature they won't use cm2 straight away and wont know neji's so they die just as easily imo dwl
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So ur ignoring the fact that the spiders were soft in comparison , that they attacked solely from above and that they were way fewer in number compared to tenten weapons?
U also conveniently ignore neji's owns words when he said they were "too many!' and then u the missed the part where neji was scratched due to this , then u make the claim that a weaker pre chunin exam neji could casually pull the feat he canonically couldn't pull off in SRA with ntn but 64 palms , then u say its more logical than my notion.:| how?
Bold is literally bs im sorry , that wouldn't be possible with how many weapons were shown on the ground , neji could not deal with so many coming from every angle simultaneously without a defense , why????
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When he couldn't deal with kido's lesser attacks without getting scratched
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If neji evaded and hit the weapons with jyuken as ur saying , not only would they not be arranged in perfect order like presented in the scan but the feat itself is impossible for neji when considering his blindspot
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Look at how many weapons are in the scan in question and how they are arranged , some have even been deflected into the surrounding trees.
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Ur 64 palms claim jus doesn't work , its more than obvious that neji was stationary so u literally have ntn to debunk my scan , if its fan-fiction then plz explain my scan in a logical way and not give me this 64 palms bs, no disrespect.
When did I say that he never had to rotate to use rotation?
-Neji has shown to expel and expand chakra from all his tenketsu without the need to rotate afterwards , which is basically my concept.
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Neji doesn't need to spin after he stops the attack with the first phase of kaiten , only if he wants to blasts the enemy away afterwards , just read the middle left panels sentence and stop at the full stop because this shouldn't be difficult at all
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-Then take it consideration that neji has already shown that he can expel chakra from anywhere and everywhere continuously
Second bold: Kido's webs were basically halting the expansion/rotation of neji's chakra to a certain point , u can literally see the webs halting the chakra specifically as stated by neji and plz don't tell me neji attempted a random rotation for no reason in the below scan.
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In the scenario where neji redirected kido's kunai with chakra , the webs were not stopping neji from spinning per say , but was actually stopping the rotation/expansion of neji's chakra.
-When inside rotation , the webs could not physically stop neji from spinning directly since they were located outside the spinning vortex , wat happened was that they literally stopped the chakra itself from rotating since the webs literally restrained the chakra.
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Then after sensing the next attack from kido he had to reset himself and deal with other incoming attack..
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So unless ur gonna tell me how kido's webs were literally able to stop neji from physically spinning when they were present outside the vortex then u literally still have no point here.
Way to ignore the fact that he also robbed kido of the ability to use chakra , doesn't matter if sakon/ukon survives when he loses that ability , also u have no proof that kido was in that bad a condition to the point he was literally dying like neji , all he said was some organs are damaged but he can still move , the chakra that did this was only a tiny bit sent through a string , neji was in far worse condition before he blitzed him and sealed his chakra (without 64 palms).
1) The manga gives clear signs which don't contradict with the anime but whatever.
2) U neglect the fact that both are solely cqc fighters and attack only in close quarters , no kuna/shurikens were left on the floor indicating that rotations were used to fight rotation or at the very least used to defend against cqc attacks.
3) My premise of kaiten bein used as a offense is more along the lines of it bein used while neji is in cqc. So its basically a forced defense in a sense .
4) In cqc kaiten can be used as a offense or forced defense in my case , whatever u wana use to generalize it , im basing this off the fact that its a cqc tech that can be started and stopped nigh instantly.
Bold: When da fck did I even hint that notion bro? lunge forward with a rotation?? is that wat ur getting from my posts??
I said he lunges forward with chakra layer already prepped , sakon wont be able to merge through it just like the kunai couldn't. Then while in cqc he easily out-performs them in skill then proceeds to time his actual rotation.
Unless ur gonna argue that neji cant move and has to remain stationary when while continuously expelling his chakra layer?:|
Stop mixing up rotation with chakra control and 64 palms with basic jyuken.
Bold: To blasts the enemy/attack away (bottom right panel bro)
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Im not saying that the spin isn't a part of rotation , im only stating the obvious that he can opt not to spin afterwards if he so chooses.
Similar in concept to doin this , neji can still move whie expelling chakra from everywhere and doesn't need to spin to expand it.
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Again, DB means nothing without manga to back it up.
I never even mentioned that feat in the thread I just said by manga portrayal. So you done goofed wasting your time trying to counter an argument I never even made.
Bold: Lmao I do.
Underline: Again, DB means nothing without manga to back it up.
@Underline and bold: please bring said feats and i'll be happy to counter them
Sakon/Ukon are faster.
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Wat? , I asked u wat it was based on and u have yet to answer when u clearly had the chance , wat portrayal are u talking about??? ur the one that has to answer ur claim first bro.
Manga and databook backs up the notion that kiba , neji and lee are all faster that sakon who is faster than sakon/udon bring ur so called portrayals.
They cant merge through the chakra layer either so wats ur point? unless we're bck to sakon/ukon bein able to merge into and through everything?
-Also again , kaiten itself can be initiated nigh instantly much less simply expelling his chakra layer.
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whats the difference between a dying neji simultaneously expelling chakra from two different wounds at two different locations on his body , and him expelling chakra from only one wounded area and being able to expel chakra from his hands????? ur basically saying he cant do that either
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Neji has full control of when and where he expels his chakra.
Nope , im trying to show u that a fatigued kiba cant be used to validate the same thing happening to neji who has way different abilities , naruto is all about match-ups especially part1.
-What if neji chooses to outlast sakon/ukons cm2 duration? would that not force them to take the initiative and go offense , how does sakon/ukon deal with this without getting trashed?
Why exactly cant neji engage sakon/ukon with chakra layer already active tho? are u saying he cant move or dash while doing so? doesn't make sense , the mere fact that he rotates debunks this.
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After he gets close enough to sakon/ukon is when he starts the actual rotation which can be initiated nigh instantly and that's after the chakra layer has already been expelled beforehand so neji would already be covered by the time he engaged sakon and not after.
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Neji wont directly attack sakon/ukon with jyuken for them to merge , the only time he attempts this in my argument is after he has successfully blasts them away with kaiten.
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Curse Mark
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I asked you to explain the relevance of the spiders weight/angle when the end result is the same.So ur ignoring the fact that the spiders were soft in comparison , that they attacked solely from above and that they were way fewer in number compared to tenten weapons?
U also conveniently ignore neji's owns words when he said they were "too many!' and then u the missed the part where neji was scratched due to this , then u make the claim that a weaker pre chunin exam neji could casually pull the feat he canonically couldn't pull off in SRA with ntn but 64 palms , then u say its more logical than my notion.:| how?
Bold is literally bs im sorry , that wouldn't be possible with how many weapons were shown on the ground , neji could not deal with so many coming from every angle simultaneously without a defense , why????
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When he couldn't deal with kido's lesser attacks without getting scratched
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If neji evaded and hit the weapons with jyuken as ur saying , not only would they not be arranged in perfect order like presented in the scan but the feat itself is impossible for neji when considering his blindspot
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Look at how many weapons are in the scan in question and how they are arranged , some have even been deflected into the surrounding trees.
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Ur 64 palms claim jus doesn't work , its more than obvious that neji was stationary so u literally have ntn to debunk my scan , if its fan-fiction then plz explain my scan in a logical way and not give me this 64 palms bs, no disrespect.
But you avoided the question so I'm guessing you have no answer :lol:
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Dude Neji is more than capable of dodging tenten's attacks.
Naruto's clones couldn't even touch him.
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Ten ten could have been circling around Neji throwing attacks at him from every angle while he stayed stationary and dodged.
You have no proof that the attacks all occurred in the same moment.
Lol if you think that massive shroud of chakra counters being merged with, that's a joke. Anything bar full rotation doesn't stop them.
The scan with the kunais doesn't mean the "first level" of rotation literally stops an attack in midair, we see that in the scan you used when Neji redirects Kidomaru's kunai.
Bold: Not relevant lmao, you and I are talking about fatal attacks and you brought up a non fatal attack. I asked you to show me how he kills them.
The fact is that you said Neji "blitz kills" them with that attack and it could not be further than the truth ctfu.
So I guess you're giving up on the idea of Neji "blitz killing" them then?
2. Bold: that's obviously what it was used for as that's what the technique is.
3. That doesn't even make sense. If Neji charges in and stops moving to use rotation how on earth is that going to catch anyone? That's why he only uses it as a defensive technique.
Large bold: Dude the Kunai entered the chakra shroud no difficulty. At point blank range it's not stopping him from being merged with.
No you didn't ask lmao, you just assumed you knew what I was talking about so I gave you a chance to redeem yourself and offer Neji's speed feats first, but okay.
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Not only did his speed surprise them, he was also able to evade that kunai at point blank range.
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Caught Naruto's rasengan point blank- and before you say it's because of his KKG, obviously he used his arms there somehow but his KKG doesn't raise his speed. So it was the speed with which he countered that's impressive here.
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He shunshins out of the way of a point blank tsuuga.
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He started off on his ass and used CM1 to nigh instantly catch up to the group.
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Reacted to a blitz by Kiba.
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He was able to catch Kiba and Akamaru's hands in gatsuuga.
They spin so fast you can't even see their limbs and yet he was still fast enough to be able to catch them by the wrists.
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Evaded garouga which was insanely fast- Kiba's fastest and strongest attack at the time.
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He blitzed this massive distance in a second or less.
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Ukon was able to react to and evade a point blank blade (in base mode)
I think I've given more than enough evidence to show that their movement speed is far above Neji's.
They can't merge through the dome of rotation, but they can merge through the "first phase"
Again, the chakra is not a barrier, it didn't stop the kunai, the kunai entered it no difficulty.
It works well against piercing attacks like kunais and arrows because it alters their trajectory.
Against merging at point blank range, it would do nothing. Because without the "second stage" of rotation, it doesn't blow them away.
The layer of chakra is not a shield like the dome of rotation, and it doesn't redirect or alter the trajectory of their point blank attack, so it gets merged through.
Why are you still using this scan?
I already proved you wrong. Neji needed to use chakra on his wounds there to survive but wasn't able to do it while attacking with jyuken because he cannot.
While concentrating the chakra to his hands for jyuken, he wasn't able to use chakra on his body. Fact.
Lmao, no it wouldn't. Because they use CM2 when Neji comes in for offense. They only need it in this matchup to merge with him. So if he's not attacking, they don't use it.
No, because rotation is a stationary attack.
And they either evade it as I've shown they're more than capable of -or-
If it's only the "first phase" of rotation it gets merged through.
Bold:
Which never happens.
neosmith500
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U literally countered ntn I said:| , clearly u didn't read my post and take the scans into account.
Bold: Literally makes no sense given the arrangement of the weapons on the ground dwl , they were obviously blocked not evaded.
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From 64 palms to jyuken , now ur saying he stayed stationary and dodged dwl this is too much
, seriously:| These two below scan reinforces my point and eradicates urs.
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Come with a logical explanation that surpasses mine , or let my point stick and lets move on shall we.
Whats stopping the massive shroud of chakra from countering merger?? can sakon/ukon merge into and through everything still? ur still gonna push that baseless notion at this point?:|
Bold:Is not what im referring to , I like how u love to ignore the scans u urself use. Bold happened while neji's chakra was still "restrained by the chakra webs which stopped it from expanding/rotating , he also merely omitted chakra at the last second to simply deal with a single kunai which is different than wat im referring to.
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What im referring to is the chakra layer used against naruto that was not restrained by chakra halting webs , he was able to suspend naruto and his clone in mid-air , u can tell by the placement of naruto's feet/body that he was "blocked" (middle left panel)
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That's the chakra layer im referring my brotha , unrestrained by chakra webs and utilized by a way stronger neji who showed considerable range increase while in a weakened state
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Sakon aint merging.
Says the fact that neji robbed cm2 kido of his ability to channel chakra without 64 palms is irrelevant , says it wont be fatal to sakon/ukon:devil:
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He dashes to them with chakra layer which cant be merged into/through , sakon wont know wat he's planning and will attempt the merging process as ur saying , sakon tries to merge with neji and his broken down liquidized state is suspended by neji's chakra layer , neji rotates sweeping sakon/ukon liquidized portions into the kaitens vortex.. GG
Now irrelevant , this was while neji's chakra was restrained by chakra webs halting its progress already addressed this kunai bit above , it was chakra omitted at the last second simply to divert the kunai.
Moments like this cant be used to debunk my points , ur just getting things twisted the same way u got 64 palms and normal jyuken twisted. Chakra can be controlled in different ways
for example , neji can emit chakra from his whole body into a needle-like shape.
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Or he can choose to emit it into a tangible barrier of chakra.
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Bold; Chakra layer stops sakon from merging then literally kills them.
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Nb4 excuses , Sra neji is vastly superior to CE neji and his range increased exponentially.
Lol he wasn't that far away from the clones , not so impressive when we have neji casually crossing a slightly farther distance and was actually able to blitz his target with no physical reaction from kido who casually reacted to all the rookies , while neji was restrained to a tree and had to jump dodge a literally point-blank stake.
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Hardly a impressive feat for them when for one that naruto was a clone which was usin his basic lame ass one handed rasengan , only good for hitting trees. We all kno sakon's kkg gives them a overwhelming advantage against such attacks , much less a diversion used by a clone.
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Hardly impressive with that ability and while him evading kiba's point-blank garuuga was impressive , its ntn compared to neji's point-blank evasion feats.
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Even less impressive when we consider that naruto and co were carrying sasuke in a box and that sakon used cm to boost his speed along with the fact that they were jumping lol.
Bold: Reacted to kiba due to ukon , not because of epic reaction speed when sakon never physically reacted dwl
reacting to kiba isn't impressive either.
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An impressive reaction feat , but ntn special when considering his skill , but again reacting to kiba is ntn special , kidomaru reacted to all rookies simultaneously which is way more impressive than that feat yet he was blitzed all the same and rejected the idea of contending with neji in cqg despite having golden armor along with the fact that this reaction feat>>>>>that one by far.
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Not so impressive compared to neji's reaction feats above , along with the fact that CE Neji was able to literally run through naruto's clones nigh instantly without getting grabbed or touched while surrounded.
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Then we have neji dashing at the same pace as kyubi amped naruto.
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Neji literally crossed 60 to 80m nigh instantly while critically wounded :| and that distance u used wasn't even that far , we can see where the blood leads to compared to neji's distance crossed while bady injured.
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Whatever u want to say about this feat , u cant dispute the fact that a healthy neji would would cross that distance literally nigh instantly.
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From kankuro , the guy who labeled chunin prelims neji a monster alongside his gaara.
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Barely reacting to kankurus trap is ntn at all when we have neji reacting to waves of raining kunai simultaneously not to mention kankuro was casually dealing with them , tho they were weakened ukon was resting within sakon for some time.
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Yea , no u hadn't :| all u proved was that sakon/ukon reactions are inferior to neji's and that his speed wasn't sufficient enough to even blitz or pressure kiba nor kankuro in battle or anyone in real battle , sakon literally has no blitzing feats.
Even so sakons speed is hardly enough to trouble SRA Neji who is vastly superior to this neji.
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So yea u have ntn to prove the db wrong and all sakons so called speed feats are average and unimpressive to people of sra neji's level.
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Based on wat????? ur fanfic that sakon/ukon can merge into and through everything?
-Already addressed that kunai bs , the chakra blocks them from going into him like it blocked naruto from actually touching him and since ur so keen on rotation bein used afterwards , that's exactly wat hes gonna do which would sweep sakon/ukon around/into the rotating chakra if they try to merge , effectively killing them because of the state they would assume.
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Bs , manga describes the chakra layer as the shield that blocks/stops the attack , kaiten is used to knock said attack away , manga>>>>u bruh , sakon is suspended at point blank range then rotated away.
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Sakon/ukon have no feats to suggest they can merge into/trough everything much less tangible chakra that suspended naruto in the air , now ur claiming sakon/ukon while their in a broken down and liquidized state can some breach the barrier based on literally ntn.
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They get suspended then rotated by neji's kaiten , effectively flushing them
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Because u have yet to understand it ,read the bottom left panel then skip the page , its not limited to just his hands or feet at a time , he can literally expel chakra from several places as he did in the scan, the hands and feet are basic for him , so u literally have no substance here.
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Lol which means neji can easily faint them and cause them to drain their reserves even faster since they'd constantly be goin in and out of CM2.
Neji only needs to utilize my tactic to beat them anyway , they don't merge at all.
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Which can be used in cqc nigh instantly , ur point?
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They get suspended by the "first phase" then get rotated then killed by the "second"
They don't merge through the first phase if they don't merge through the second
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Sakon/ukon will be ntn but a oil/liquid/goo like substance while initiating merger , stopped by the tangible layer of chakra , suspended then killed by rotation.
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Based on the fact that u think he's gonna merge through neji's tangible chakra shield? , it does :bdpf:
Plays right into my hand too
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There are countless scans in this thread that prove how ridiculous Neji's chakra control was in part 1. Jyuken is a fighting style that Hyugas use to close tenketsu, which are needle sized. To hit those tenketsu, Neji has to focus the chakra to the tip of his fingers,which also has to be needle sized. He has shown that he uses this fighting technique effortlessly and we all know that using this fighting technique is a greater feat of chakra control then having chakra Armour. All throughout this thread there are scans of Neji using his armor easy-peeze, and throwing it around like a rag-doll. So i don't agree that he wouldn't be able to do both but we don't have to agree on this point.
I agree with the bolded, I don't think Neji would be fooled, especially with Byakugan. And we all know Sakon/Ukon are inferior in CQC. The only feats we have of them dodging and countring attacks were because they were merged and the person on the back side(Ukon?) would counter or alert sakon. Curse knows this, which is why he hasn't presented the notion of them separating and fighting Neji 2v1. They would get vigorously raped in that scenario.The only hope for them is for both of them to merge.
If Neji outlasses Sakon/Ukon they will die and will lose the fight. Either that or they cancel CM2 before they die and Neji rofl-stomps them. I'm probably misunderstanding what you meant though. I don't agree with the second bolded scentence, Neji has a counter to Sakon/Ukon's whole arsenal. And they have to go CM2 to even have a chance to win this fight. But, if we go in character here Neji would dispose of them quickly before they even get a chance to go into CM2 and use their KKG. In character, Sakon/Ukon didn't even think go into CM2 straight away versus Kiba. That would cost them their life versus Neji.
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The reason I don't think he can do both is because Curse posted a scan of Neji using chakra to cover his wounds only after he had used Jyuuken to defeat Kidomaru. And there's no scan of him actually doing both. So if the argument is "Neji can do both at the same time because he has amazing chakra control" versus "He's never done it, and I have a scan of him specifically not doing both at the same time," then I have to lean towards the other end. I agreed with neosmith that he can bring up the chakra layer whenever he wants, but I don't think he can bring up the chakra layer, keep it up, and also be attacking. 'Cause there's no evidence of that.
As far as Kaiten goes, if we're talking about "repelling" an attack, he has to use Kaiten to actually repel. The way the technique is described is catch with layer, spin to repel. Otherwise he would do something more efficient than the spin to repel; he has to expel a lot of chakra when he does that, and against Naruto he could have probably dealt with two clones without having to spin, if it was possible for him to repel without spinning.
Why do people keep thinking I mean IC when I say no-intel? The thread is OoC, isn't it? In any case, I agree with the rest of this, that's what I meant. Outlast = Neji wins, clearly.
I mean one can say he was obviously mortally wounded at that point. But, i'm not looking for an argument. You're a very reasonable person and i agree with a lot of your points. Lets steer clear and let them continue this debate. Shall we?
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Let me ask u just these little questions bro and if u still feel the same after answering ill respect that.
Neji was shown expelling chakra into two different wounds simultaneously right?
If neji expels chakra into two different wounds simultaneously , why wouldn't he be capable of expelling chakra from his palm while simultaneously expelling chakra from "one" wound instead of two different ones like in the scan?
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Think about it , chakra expeled from two wounds , he chose to expel chakra into them "both" after he attacked , if he didn't want to expel chakra into both then are u saying he wouldn't be able to expel chakra into one while doing the same into his palm?
Tell me wat u think of this scenario.
Neji rushes sukon then activates chakra layer before he reaches them , sakon tries to merge through the chakra layer as curse is saying tgen it "fails" since it only has feats of bein able to merge directly into the human-genome , the layer creates a barrier between the skin/flesh , and sakon/ukon will be blocked and suspended like naruto was.
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And since they would've already attempted to merge into/through the chakra layer as curse is saying they do , then they will be suspended while in this state lol
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Neji starts spinning and salon/ukons soft broken down liquid/goo form is swepped into the spinning vortex and effectively killed while in a vulnerable state.
Chu think?
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Claymantan
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Well what he's doing there is just a condensed chakra layer; essentially. If he can do chakra layer he should logically be able to condense chakra layer to specific locations around his body. It's similar to what he did against Naruto
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, although he still has chakra layer up in other locations. Obviously he can put up chakra layer in two concentrated places simultaneously. However, I still believe that if he could block and attack at the same time, he wouldn't have used Kaiten to repel Naruto, because, like I said, it requires expending more chakra. And there's clearly a limit on how precise he can be with his chakra control. Seems like using Jyuuken and using chakra layer are two separate forms of chakra control. Superficially, Jyuuken is a very direct input of chakra into a tenketsu point, whereas these blocking feats are much less precise, just blocking the general area of the attack (or using his chakra layer to redirect things around him entirely). The precision of Neji's chakra control is limited depending on what he has to do - otherwise, Kaiten would be redundant.
As far as plot goes, yeah, Kishimoto needed him to have a reason to use Kaiten in order to show it off, but this logic still makes me think he can't attack while also blocking.
Depends on what you think of CM2's chakra sense abilities. I'm not 100% on this, but I just did a quick spin-through of the SRA fights to see what CM2 had demonstrated. Since CM is a variation of senjutsu chakra/SM, it makes sense to check its sensory feats; If Neji has chakra layer up, it's possible that Sukon will know that and not fall for the trap.
CM2 Jirobo appears to be able to sense that Choji is gathering chakra into his arm.
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And CM2 Kidomaru seems to be able to see the chakra Neji used to alter the trajectory of his attack.
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But I'm not totally committed to this idea.
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Plot demanded neji use kaiten on shuirken when he clearly didnt have to too bro
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The chakra layer stops , the rotation blasts away
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This is oOc , and neji can choose not to spin and how to control his chakra effectively and win.
This instance wasn't even chakra layer and it was was bein used by a already dead/empty neji , im just tryin to show u that chakra can be concentrated in the hands and body simultaneously since he has full control of hall tenketsu , he chooses which ones to expel chkara from , the hands/feet/head/torso or anywhere he wants and jyuken chakra can be maintained while attacking , it doesnt have to be a quick insertion of chakra.
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Nevertheless , im not stating that neji will attack while defending.
Where is jirobo sensing chakra in that scan? and the chakra seemed to be visible.
CM2 Kidomaru feats with his third eye cant be used to validate , for one it was still useless against neji's death blitz.
Nevertheless its curses own blatant statement that sakon/ukon will merge into/through the chakra layer so either way he's gonna attempt the merge , get blocked , then killed.
Simple no?
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Claymantan
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Yeah, I know it's OoC, and like I said, I know plot is the reason that Neji is using Kaiten so much in situations where he probably doesn't need to, but the fact remains that there isn't a scan of Neji making the choice to do something else. I feel like giving him feats that he hasn't performed is a bit too close to spec for my taste.
Because that scan shows Choji thinking to himself that he'll gather chakra into his hand, and Jirobo thinks "This is bad," right after the scan of Choji's hand gathering chakra, I interpreted that Jirobo could see that Choji was doing that.
I understand CM2 Kidomaru is a bit sketchy with third eye, but third eye was never stated to add chakra sense. Just accuracy/acuity.
Did Curse actually say that Sukon will try to merge through the chakra layer? If so, I don't really think that's feasible, and I agree that they can't do it.
neosmith500
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The chakra could very well be visible , and jirobo could simply have said that since choji got such a enormous power boost and was about to use said boost to punch him which is why he said that , no proof to suggest otherwise.
Nope we dont have full details on kidos third eye and it only happend after kidos vision was highlighted , its his feat and his alone , nevertheless it was still useless against a dead neji's blitz , cm2 kido had to time to activate golden armmor which hardens instantly.
He did on multiple occasions actually.
Already debunked by one page..
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Claymantan
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I'll agree to not completely agree on the rest of the stuff but yeah, the chakra layer he keeps close to him is pretty much tangible. That said, if he blocks an attack with chakra layer, I still feel he has to rotate.
neosmith500
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And bold is where it doesn't make sense , ntn is forcing him to rotate and then we have this scan..
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Curse is still scrambling to find a logical alternate reason but is just getting worse the longer its argued , it went from 64 palms to , jyuken , to stationary evasion lol when one page debunks all his points and cements mine
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