[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 823 Discussion and 824 Predictions

[Punk Hazard]

Is Chopper acting like the captain whenever he gives medical advice to a crew member?

I never said that they were "acting like the captain." I said it's stupid to say Zoro is the second in command when there are people like Nami who've commanded far more times than he ever has.

The Chopper situation you brought up actually displays the hierarchy of the Strawhats though.
Luffy=Captain
Everyone else=not captain. That's it. Everyone pretty much just controls and does their own thing.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I never said that they were "acting like the captain." I said it's stupid to say Zoro is the second in command when there are people like Nami who've commanded far more times than he ever has.

The Chopper situation you brought up actually displays the hierarchy of the Strawhats though.
Luffy=Captain
Everyone else=not captain. That's it. Everyone pretty much just controls and does their own thing.

How do you explain how whenever the SHs split up, the strongest member of that group is usually the de facto leader? For example, the Curly Brow Pirates (where even Nami, who you think acts the most like a first mate, was following Sanji).

 

[Skull Knight]

Your first remark doesn't make sense. There is no god,

Ussop is God. Mangafact u cant deny it

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there is in fact also no zombie as Brook's a skeleton and those have nothing to do with the DF types.

Brook is like a zombie. He is an animated corpse raised by magical means(df).

This is an extremely subjective and forced interpretation, even more so when you consider there are ancient zoan's, mythical zoans, normal zoans, So there is absolutely nothing that indicates there should be a logia in the crew.

OPverse has 3 basic types of DF:
Paramecia, Logia, Zoan. Others(ancient Zoan, Mythical zoan) comes under sub categories of Logia and Zoan type fruits.
Now SHs already have Paramecia & Zoan type. so i think they should have 1 logia type. Whats the problem here?

long-leg tribe people, long-arm tribe people, giants, fishmen, minks, snake-neck people etc.

I never said these guys will join SHs. Some of the guys have already joined SH alliance(long leg, long arm, giant, dwarve)
& I never liked the idea Jinbei joining SH. If u have read last page i replied Jinbei would be better if he becomes a commander in SH aliiance.

Your second remark is also not really important as not all the Strawhats have well define dreams. Usopp wants to become a brave warrior of the sea, but what's that supposed to mean?

Everyone agree BB will fight Shanks at the end of the manga. That means Van augur will fight Ussop's father and becomes Best Sniper in OPverse. Ussop has to become a brave warrior if he has to face Van Augur and take that title from him.

And what is exactly Chopper's dream?

U forgot Chopper'd dream

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It's not so much a dream that is needed, but a motivation as why they would want to go with Luffy and in the case of Carrot just wanting to see the world after having never left Zou can be enough to fulfill that requirement.

U agree that there is a role for everyone then explain What role Carrot fits in? She will be treated like another pet in SH crew.

And your 3rd remark seems to be or baseless or outdated as it's not even certain that there is going to be a next Strawhat, so that Oda would have said that the next one right now would be a former villain, well that would mean it has been confirmed there is going to be a new Strawhat.

It is obvious there will be another guy who joins SH. Luffy said he wanted 10nakama. And its not baseless. Let me give u an example why I think CC is best choice for 10th SH:
1)He has dream to surpass Vegapunk
2)He can help Chopper with his rumber ball thing and maybe he will become Pharmacist in SH crew(if he joins)
3)He can help Franky with his cola thing
4)Former Villain
5)Logia type and he wont be stronger that Zoro or Sanji in future.

 

[Anduril]

I agree with that logic up to a certain degree. There are indeed many people who seem to be underestimating the importance of the time-skip and think that anyone can join at any time, which is really not the case. The time-skip was almost a point of no return as you can't just keep adding Strawhats simply because if it's too late in the story, that character's development would be redundant, forced or non-existent. Before the TS the Strawhats just did everything on the spur of the moment. The TS was the first and only time they ever seriously prepared for something and this for a period of two years. This creates a bond between the Strawhats that would be alien to any other future Strawhat. Hence why I also always have been skeptical about new Strawhats.

However it remains a fact that Oda himself set the door open somewhere in the SBS or in an interview in regards to new Strawhats and that Luffy said all the way at the beginning that he wanted 10 crew members and so far he only has 9. There's also a reasonable estimation that currently the story is around 2/3, which means there's still 1/3 to go and I believe that's still enough time for at least one member. Of course that member should be joining about now, so Carrot appeared on the ideal moment.

From all the characters people have been suggesting as the newest Strawhat, Carrot by far has currently the highest chance of actually joining:

1) She's female

Considering the current ratio is 8 males for 2 females, female characters have a higher chance than male characters to keep things more balanced.

2) She's a mink

Luffy has a love for the weird and the unusal. A cyborg, a human reindeer, a skeleton...so a female rabbit surely would be a perfect match for the crew.

3) Personality quirks

Almost all Strawhats also have weird personalities or some weird quirks. A chronic lier, several perverts, a gold digger...now this is rather common for many characters, not just the Strawhats, but still Carrot has showed to be rather odd.

4) Strength

All the Strawhats had to train for two years, which makes it rather difficult for anyone to join as that person needs to have a certain amount of strength, however it would be rather illogical that all the Strawhats had to train for 2 years, but that someone else can join just like that and keep up. So there has to be something that balances out that 2 years of training. Now Minks are born warriors, they have a natural aptitude for fighting and Pedro implied in this chapter that Carrot's strength seems to even be for a mink rather high.

5) Adventurous

IMO this might even be the most important characteristic of Carrot. It was quite strongly emphasized this chapter that she has never left Zou and is severely naive in regards to the outside world and as a result she's highly excited to the prospect of traveling around. This is a quality many other characters that people have suggested lack and it's a quality many people also seem to ignore. For example characters like Rebecca or Viola had no reason to leave and this also applies to Vivi. She is the sole heir of a mighty country and her father is in bad health, so she really can't just leave to go on an adventure.


The only thing so far that Carrot is lacking, is a position within the crew. All the others have a defined position: navigator, shipwright, cook, doctor etc., but what is Carrot supposed to be?

Well you cannot deny but all of these points about carrot make sense. But there is one small snag, "Respect". Carrot actually literally tore away luffy's throat. She does not look the type to take luffy's orders. For me at least Kinemon has a better chance of joining than carrot does.

Also, Luffy's crew seems to be running in parallel with BB's

Jessus Burgess - Jinbei (Brawler - Martial artist)
Shiliew - Zoro (Swordsman)
Doc Q - Chopper (Doctors)
Lafitte - Brook (Both tend to use hypnosis up to a point, brook does it with his music)
Augur - Usopp (Snipers)

I am not sure after this point,

Catarina Devon - Nami (Both have a longing for clothes lol + Weapon of choice, staff - Spear)
Vasco Shot - (Sanji/?)
Sanjuan Wolf - Franky (Both being related to ships?)
Avalao Pizzaro - Sanji (King and prince?)

 

[palmer]

ha-ha any one who thinks Dragon is dead makes me laugh,though your thought may turn out true. But here is my take,Dragon never fought with BB,when he noticed some one ni their secret base,its no longer a secret,that's why he called all commanders and everyone evacuated. then BB met every were empty. i guess Dragon asked Sabo to raze the place down so as to burn important things that may trace them back. secondly am thinking Dragon may officially declare war during this reveria. and am guessing that many country will be in alliance with dragon cos of luffy, or through luffy. my thought ,but it may well as well not happen this way lol.

 

[Punk Hazard]

How do you explain how whenever the SHs split up, the strongest member of that group is usually the de facto leader? For example, the Curly Brow Pirates (where even Nami, who you think acts the most like a first mate, was following Sanji).

Because the weaker members tend to be scared and like to stick with whoever can kick the most ass among them. I don't recall and instance where, even then, this person ended up being Zoro either. When split from Luffy, they try to contact him via Den Den Mushi. If that fails, they don't try looking for Zoro, they do their own thing. The Strawhats have never really turned to Zoro to fill in for Luffy and nor has Zoro volunteered because that's not how the crew works.

 

[Skull Knight]

Actually, Nami does fit the Rayleigh role far more. On Roger's ship he was the "disciplinary figure" to Shanks and Buggy, appearing stern at times. Nami also fits this role, often "disciplining" Luffy and Usopp, and at times even Sanji and Zoro, like at the palace when she found out they gambled away the money.

I thought that was for comic relief.

Nami and Rayleigh also both like money, as Garp speculated he had a gambling debt. Nami has also taken command of the ship more than times than anyone else bar Luffy due to her role as navigator. Outside of battle, Zoro doesn't do anything.

Since we are nitpicking things then u should also consider these:
Roger recruited Rayleigh first in his crew. Same thing happened wit Luffy. He choose Zoro.at first both of them refused but initially they joined there respective crew.

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Rayleigh drinks a lot like Zoro

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Both of them are swordsman

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Both of them have scar on there body and eye

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See Zoro is more similar to Rayleigh than Nami is

There is no second in command, literal or symbolic, inside of the crew and that only exists in this Zoro fanboy imagination land.

Even Luffy fans agree Zoro is 2nd in command

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[Punk Hazard]

I thought that was for comic relief.


Since we are nitpicking things then u should also consider these:
Roger recruited Rayleigh first in his crew. Same thing happened wit Luffy. He choose Zoro.at first both of them refused but initially they joined there respective crew.

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Nami also refused to join. As did every single Strawhat except for Robin and Brook.

Rayleigh drinks a lot like Zoro

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Nami also drinks a lot

See Zoro is more similar to Rayleigh than Nami is

Just the swordsmanship and scars.

Even Luffy fans agree Zoro is 2nd in command

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Barto's credibility was debunked a while back, especially because it's just for comedic relief. Love Cook probably remembers the details. Shit, even in that scan Barto says Zoro butchered all of Enies Lobby and bases everything on "what he heard," showing he knows jack shit about some things. He even says "be me," indicating he's the only one who actually thinks that.

 

[loj]

I thought that was for comic relief.


Since we are nitpicking things then u should also consider these:
Roger recruited Rayleigh first in his crew. Same thing happened wit Luffy. He choose Zoro.at first both of them refused but initially they joined there respective crew.

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Rayleigh drinks a lot like Zoro

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Both of them are swordsman

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Both of them have scar on there body and eye

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See Zoro is more similar to Rayleigh than Nami is


Even Luffy fans agree Zoro is 2nd in command

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If anything I agree that Zoro is 2nd in command.I don't see others doing things in very very serious situations...

inb4 someone says Nami...That's literally Nami's job since she is a navigator so it's natural that other SH's would listen to her...I can't remember last time SH's listened to her in a situation outside navigating or I just forgot 'em ...

 

[Punk Hazard]

If anything I agree that Zoro is 2nd in command.I don't see others doing things in very very serious situations...

inb4 someone says Nami...That's literally Nami's job since she is a navigator so it's natural that other SH's would listen to her...I can't remember last time SH's listened to her in a situation outside navigating or I just forgot 'em ...

How many very very serious situations has Zoro taken control and given orders? Pretty much every major fight is a very very serious situation, and the Strawhats each just do their own thing when it happens. Oda made it clear in Enies Lobby with Sanji's words: There are things you can do that I can't, and there are things I can do that you can't. We survive by doing it together.

 

[Skull Knight]

Nami also refused to join. As did every single Strawhat except for Robin and Brook.

I dont remember that part.

Nami also drinks a lot

Not really. She only drinks in banquet and parties.
On the other hand Zoro drinks whenever he wanted like Rayleigh.

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Just the swordsmanship and scars.

Ok.
Nami has no Haki, She is coward, She didnot know what to do when Doffy was coming towards him.After that incident they called Luffy and asked Luffy what they should do? Howcome she resembles Rayleigh?

Barto's credibility was debunked a while back, especially because it's just for comedic relief. Love Cook probably remembers the details. Shit, even in that scan Barto says Zoro butchered all of Enies Lobby and bases everything on "what he heard," showing he knows jack shit about some things. He even says "be me," indicating he's the only one who actually thinks that.

I will say Barto exaggerated some parts like "Zoro slaughtered everyone" but Vice captain part is right.
If he thinks Zoro is 2nd in command then I m sure other guys also thinks the same in OPverse.

 

[Bogard]

Why do people keep arguing around Zoro being the second in command with someone like Riker? Just leave him in his denial and delusional dream where he isn't and leave it at that. It gives less headaches especially when the chapter isn't even about him. How did the discussion even go that way?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why do people keep arguing around Zoro being the second in command with someone like Riker? Just leave him in his denial and delusional dream where he isn't and leave it at that. It gives less headaches especially when the chapter isn't even about him. How did the discussion even go that way?

Only delusional ones are you fanboys

I dont remember that part.

Robin and Brook are the only Strawhats that didn't decline Luffy's first offer to join.

Not really. She only drinks in banquet and parties.
On the other hand Zoro drinks whenever he wanted to drink like Rayleigh.

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Nami and Zoro are actually the two biggest drinkers in the entire crew.

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Ok.
Nami has no Haki, She is coward, She didnot know what to do when Doffy was coming towards him.After that incident they called Luffy and asked Luffy what they should do? Howcome she resembles Rayleigh?

Alright, let's point out the differences between Ray and Zoro.

Ray has all three forms of Haki while Zoro lacks Haoshoku.

Rayleigh is sociable and was stated to often shack up with women, while Zoro has shown no interest in such things and is a recluse.

Ray disciplined the members that were goofing off, whereas Zoro spends most of his time to himself and doesn't interact with the members much.

Ray also is the look before you leap type, whereas Zoro mostly leaves it to luck.

Ray is cheery and lighthearted, whereas Zoro is stern and maintains a serious air about him.

I will say Barto exaggerated some parts like "Zoro slaughtered everyone" but Vice captain part is right.
If he thinks Zoro is 2nd in command then I m sure other guys also thinks the same in OPverse.

It's funny that some of what Barto says is exaggerated except for the part that fits your argument. Convenient. The fact that Barto goes off of what the WG pumps out in their newspapers, which has been shown time and time again to skew the truth, if not outright lied, and has demonstrated that his credibility is faulty.

And if we really wanna get into his first mate shit, I'm sure someone can pull up the scan of Usopp saying he's the vice captain and Luffy going "Yeah sure whatever" and immediately dismissing it, showing Luffy doesn't give a shit about vice captains and second in commands, and if there was one, the closest is Usopp.

 

[Bogard]

Only delusional ones are you fanboys

Coming from a Zoro hater, it doesn't mean much to me

 

[Punk Hazard]

Coming from a Zoro hater, it doesn't mean much to me

lol you're the second person to call me this, and the second person I have to tell that I actually like Zoro. I just like him for what he is, instead of sucking him off for fanboy delusion.

 

[Bogard]

lol you're the second person to call me this, and the second person I have to tell that I actually like Zoro. I just like him for what he is, instead of sucking him off for fanboy delusion.

lol you're the second person to call me this, and the second person I have to tell that i actually hate Zoro. I just hate him for what he is, instead of downplaying him for hater delusion

 

[Punk Hazard]

lol you're the second person to call me this, and the second person I have to tell that i actually hate Zoro. I just hate him for what he is, instead of downplaying him for hater delusion

It's not downplaying when he hasn't been very built up for years.

 

[Bogard]

It's not downplaying when he hasn't been very built up for years.

Yup and i'm Obama. Just like in that cover where you said "Zoro is exactly where he deserved to be" right? Sounds really like what a fan of a character would say. I obviously can't read in your mind, and i don't even care if you're a fanboy or a hater of Zoro, but the way you always find it to be a pressing matter to downplay Zoro in every discussion whether concerning him or not even concerning him(you're the one who started this thing now that i've read the thread) is funny indeed even in topic where he isn't even included like the current chapter where he didn't even appear once. Zoro isn't even my favourite character but even i can notice the butthurt you have in every post concerning him

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yup and i'm Obama. Just like in that cover where you said "Zoro is exactly where he deserved to be" right? Sounds really like what a fan of a character would say.

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I obviously can't read in your mind, and i don't even care if you're a fanboy or a hater of Zoro, but the way you always find it to be a pressing matter to downplay Zoro in every discussion whether concerning him or not even concerning him

It's not downplaying when he hasn't been very built up for years.

(you're the one who started this thing now that i've read the thread)

I'm not the one who brought up Zoro being the first mate. It was brought up in relation to Carrot joining because allegedly not having a ship role means you can't join. Zoro being the first mate or not has relevance to the discussion of Carrot joining or not in the context of whether or not a member of the crew must have some role.

 

[Bogard]

Whatever Zoro is the firstmate as far i'm concerned and is stronger than Law btw
Now let's go back to the topic at hand which is the discussion around the current chapter and predictions for the future chapters
I know it was boring since there were no plot development but at least it gives the possibility of Carrot being a future strawhat and leave us discussions perspectives around what happened to the revos

Well firstly i question myself how Blackbeard pirates could have reached Baltigo that fast when Burgess informed them the same day when Luffy and co reached Zou, to the point of creating and leaving this much destruction behind with the info already recorded the day later. Seems fishy to me unless they were already close from Baltigo