teh latest anime fillers have turned itachi into a terrorist

[Chie]

And that stone was leading Uchiha to oblivion but like Itachi realized later on, the Uchiha could have been changed had he not went batshit crazy.

No, as they resisted negotiation. There was no "changing" an entire clan after years of tension. If you're referring to what he told Sasuke, he was saying that to give the boy confidence so he could move on in life. I guess the Uchiha were nuts, given they resisted a peaceful option and wanted to risk their lives like that.

He didnt have to take everyones life. He and Shisui together could have changed things through love of their clan. They loved Konoha more than their clan. Naruto would never give on Sasuke like Itachi gave up on his clan, thats why Itachi entrusted Sasuke to Naruto. Love.

Naruto wouldn't have given up since he's the chosen one and the ideal Kishimoto designated in the story. Itachi was the one in the Catch 22. And yes, going by the narrative he did need to take their lives as he didn't have an option in the first place. Itachi loved Konoha more than the clan... eh no. He just wanted to prevent further death and viewed the Uchiha as dead anyway.

Itachi and Shisui let themselves be used and tried to handle things alone. Had they been totally in synch with working together and actually stood up against the Danzo, the elders, their clan etc. The coup could still be mitigated.

Itachi stood up to his clan and was blown off (they're portrayed as the crazy ones) and killing Danzo/elders would give grounds for the Uchiha to be attacked right away. He's confirmed to have made the right decision in the story given his circumstances (whether you agree or not is an entirely different matter and not relevant to this thread). So, given that- no the coup could not be mitigated and the Uchiha/Konoha could simply not coexist.

 

[Jokule67]

nice fanfic..


but how??!!!!!!!!!...

But read the manga thats how. Sasuke, Madara, Itachi, Shisui. ALL tried to singlehandedly do things cuz thats just what they dumbasses like to do.

 

[Xanthos]

I can't really disagree, at the time it seemed like a whole plot twist cuz I really thought Itachi was a d***. Finding out he was good was pretty cool. The whole convuluted plan seemed to just add to his character and I was amazed. After a few episodes I finally arrived at these same conclusions. The plan was OVER convuluted. This is akin to doing long alegbra to find out what 2+2 is. >_>. What is a coup if two people can squash it. Worst case scenario, Itachi, and like three other leaf ninja could end the coup. It wasn't dead certain that they would form a coup, and the hokage was against any violent action, but you side with Danzo of all people??? Itachi really thought this was the only choice? Then sasuke would be the avenger? Avenge what??? Everyone who would care about Sasuke killing Itachi is dead. If he went the rest of his life without killing Itachi the uchiha would STILL not care because they were, you know....dead. LOL

 

[Chie]

I can't really disagree, at the time it seemed like a whole plot twist cuz I really thought Itachi was a d***. Finding out he was good was pretty cool. The whole convuluted plan seemed to just add to his character and I was amazed. After a few episodes I finally arrived at these same conclusions. The plan was OVER convuluted. This is akin to doing long alegbra to find out what 2+2 is. >_>. What is a coup if two people can squash it.

A plan that attempts to cover all bases isn't convoluted.

Worst case scenario, Itachi, and like three other leaf ninja could end the coup.

It was stated that the Uchiha could cause a civil war. You consider 3 average leaf ninjas equivalent to that? yikes...

It wasn't dead certain that they would form a coup,

It was stated they would.

and the hokage was against any violent action, but you side with Danzo of all people???

The Uchiha rejected negotiation.

[/quote] Itachi really thought this was the only choice?[/quote]

Well, if Sasuke was to live and lives saved- yes.

Then sasuke would be the avenger? Avenge what??? Everyone who would care about Sasuke killing Itachi is dead. If he went the rest of his life without killing Itachi the uchiha would STILL not care because they were, you know....dead. LOL

Avenge the Uchiha name and give him a sense of purpose in life after losing his family. This has nothing to do with the feelings of deceased Uchiha themselves but moreso clan reputation in the eyes of others and to give Sasuke a heroic rep by default.

 

[Jokule67]

No, as they resisted negotiation. There was no "changing" an entire clan after years of tension. If you're referring to what he told Sasuke, he was saying that to give the boy confidence so he could move on in life. I guess the Uchiha were nuts, given they resisted a peaceful option and wanted to risk their lives like that.



Naruto wouldn't have given up since he's the chosen one and the ideal Kishimoto designated in the story. Itachi was the one in the Catch 22. And yes, going by the narrative he did need to take their lives as he didn't have an option in the first place. Itachi loved Konoha more than the clan... eh no. He just wanted to prevent further death and viewed the Uchiha as dead anyway.



Itachi stood up to his clan and was blown off (they're portrayed as the crazy ones) and killing Danzo/elders would give grounds for the Uchiha to be attacked right away. He's confirmed to have made the right decision in the story given his circumstances (whether you agree or not is an entirely different matter and not relevant to this thread). So, given that- no the coup could not be mitigated and the Uchiha/Konoha could simply not coexist.

Itach/Shisui working together could change the clan. They BOTH took the wrong route. Iy wasnt the only option.

Shisui tried to handle everything himself committed suicide when he had a friend in Itachi, the son of the clan head.

Itachi literally just went crazy on everyone, never really talked with any uchiha. He was a powerful loner.

You dont reach people by being a loner. He and Shisui together could work with the Uchiha and Konoha solve things. Not saying that some wont still revolt. Just saying that if Shisui handled things dofferently with Itachi, he could tnj his clan. He wouldnt have to murder every single damn body

 

[Jokule67]

They sided with the wrong dude also. Danzo. All he does is instigate killing to solve everything. No talking, no understanding the other party, just ninja assassination.

Naruto taught Sasuke a valuble lesson. Itachi only got it thru death

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[Xlad]

Right...

 

[minamoto]

A plan that attempts to cover all bases isn't convoluted.



It was stated that the Uchiha could cause a civil war. You consider 3 average leaf ninjas equivalent to that? yikes...



It was stated they would.



The Uchiha rejected negotiation.

Itachi really thought this was the only choice?[/quote]

Well, if Sasuke was to live and lives saved- yes.



Avenge the Uchiha name and give him a sense of purpose in life after losing his family. This has nothing to do with the feelings of deceased Uchiha themselves but moreso clan reputation in the eyes of others and to give Sasuke a heroic rep by default.[/QUOTE]
if you were instead of itachi wut would you do..plz be honest!!!!

 

[Chie]

Itach/Shisui working together could change the clan. They BOTH took the wrong route. Iy wasnt the only option.

Shisui tried to handle everything himself committed suicide when he had a friend in Itachi, the son of the clan head.

Itachi literally just went crazy on everyone, never really talked with any uchiha. He was a powerful loner.

You dont reach people by being a loner. He and Shisui together could work with the Uchiha and Konoha solve things. Not saying that some wont still revolt. Just saying that if Shisui handled things dofferently with Itachi, he could tnj his clan. He wouldnt have to murder every single damn body

No, it was.

True.

No, he told them that Hiruzen wanted to talk at meetings. The Uchiha said that wasn't an option.

The last point is invalid due to the aforementioned point above.

You're saying he sided with Danzo but he didn't trust Danzo. He sided with the only option that would assist both the Uchiha (saved their honor and Sasuke) and Konoha (prevent conflict) while even joining Akatsuki to keep watch on the organization for them. If he sided with Danzo, he would have murdered Sasuke (as Danzo always believed it was a mistake to let Sasuke live).

You do realize that the Hokage point refers to the Uchiha as well in a way (people would not acknowledge them, so they'd never rule) and the other scan involves only what he did with Sasuke as he mentions "his" (Sasuke's) friends, right? In terms of the coup situation, Itachi had no one to entirely trust or turn to, he was not alone by choice.

if you were instead of itachi wut would you do..plz be honest!!!!

Be selfish and get murdered with my clan so I don't have to bear any burden. And let the Uchiha be disgraced.

 

[minamoto]

Be selfish and get murdered with my clan so I don't have to bear any burden. And let the Uchiha be disgraced.

get murdred with your clan huh??...with all my respect to you but you reply is full of bull$hits

 

[Jokule67]

No, it was.

True.

No, he told them that Hiruzen wanted to talk at meetings. The Uchiha said that wasn't an option.

The last point is invalid due to the aforementioned point above.

You're saying he sided with Danzo but he didn't trust Danzo. He sided with the only option that would assist both the Uchiha (saved their honor and Sasuke) and Konoha (prevent conflict) while even joining Akatsuki to keep watch on the organization for them. If he sided with Danzo, he would have murdered Sasuke (as Danzo always believed it was a mistake to let Sasuke live).

You do realize that the Hokage point refers to the Uchiha as well in a way (people would not acknowledge them, so they'd never rule) and the other scan involves only what he did with Sasuke as he mentions "his" (Sasuke's) friends, right? In terms of the coup situation, Itachi had no one to entirely trust or turn to, he was not alone by choice.



Be selfish and get murdered with my clan so I don't have to bear any burden. And let the Uchiha be disgraced.

Itachi himself stated why he failed so dont try and make him a liar. It was the only route for the simple fact that he had NO connection with anyone and his only friend killed himself.

Shisui literally could have done way more had he also not tried to do everything himself. Danzo is not help. He instigates violence.


Go reread the scans I posted. You have to stanf up for what you believe in. Make people feel your emotion. Not sulk in the background and only try to give up. Theres a reason Naruto is the main character and has the support of the whole NV



Even if there is no ray of hope you have to try anyway and stand up for whats right. Itachu just snapped on everybody fatally after barely trying to connect with his clan. But I get it, he does everything from the shadows ninja style.

However that was never going to end well.

 

[Chie]

Itachi himself stated why he failed so dont try and make him a liar. It was the only route for the simple fact that he had NO connection with anyone and his only friend killed himself.

Shisui literally could have done way more had he also not tried to do everything himself. Danzo is not help. He instigates violence.

I wasn't denying he failed- just disagreed a bit with why. But, I agree with this post. So, thank you for the discussion. It's over now. xD

 

[minamoto]

Nope, he was just a mass-murderer with mental issues...

Itachi is a badass, no doubt. But genius or not, he was only thirteen at the time. He had a debilitating disease, and had to kill his entire family.

Killing Danzo wouldn't have done shit. The damage was done. There was no calming the Uchiha down, the coup would have happened with or without Danzo.

Itachi was, or was close to being an S-class shinobi with the Sharingan. And Obito was S-class himself with his Kamui making him pretty much untouchable. The Uchiha would have lost, no doubt. But the damage would have been done, and Konoha would have been weakened to the point where the likes of Masa or Onoki..maybe even A would jump on the chance to take Konoha down and remove them from the top spot.

Was what Itachi chose to do, the right decision? Nobody knows, But he willingly went through with that to protect Konoha, the village he loved and his beloved little brother.

I don't even like the majority of the Uchiha much. But Itachi was a tragic character, destined to die either way and dedicated what life he had in him to protecting the bonds he cherished.

..Minamoto, your thinking process is pretty much that of a child. You seem to think the most obvious answer is the right one, but can't see through the subtleties and possible consequences of such childish notions.

itachi was a good guy but with shitty means

but how???

 

[Uzumaki Death god]

but how???

because it's all about the greater good.the end justified the means kinda sh*t

 

[UchiGOD]

It's a role play thing my name is haku on nb and in the rp I'm in konoha its not based on the anime haku but my own character

Oops sorry man

 

[King Of Pop]

You're saying he sided with Danzo but he didn't trust Danzo. He sided with the only option that would assist both the Uchiha (saved their honor and Sasuke) and Konoha (prevent conflict)

what honour? what shitty ass honour when they are all dead? thats just what itachi told himself so he can feel better. his actions didnt assist the uchiha in any way, in the end he was just a nationalist. not saying its a bad thing but dont make things out more than what they actually are

 

[Chie]

what honour? what shitty ass honour when they are all dead? thats just what itachi told himself so he can feel better. his actions didnt assist the uchiha in any way, in the end he was just a nationalist. not saying its a bad thing but dont make things out more than what they actually are

I just posted that because it was something from the manga. It doesn't mean I agree with that holding any value (as in the most basic sense, it doesn't since like you said they are all dead... what villagers think of them no longer matters).

When I post, I'm also keeping in mind this is fiction, the shinobi setting, and the angle Kishimoto went for- I wouldn't justify any of the same things in real life (just so you know xD ).

 

[shelke]

what honour? what shitty ass honour when they are all dead? thats just what itachi told himself so he can feel better. his actions didnt assist the uchiha in any way, in the end he was just a nationalist. not saying its a bad thing but dont make things out more than what they actually are

How is being a Nationalist ... no, a zealot Jingoist not a bad thing? Go and eat your cookies, get a sugar boost and come back. You clearly didn't mean that.

Spoiler

:Sparks:

 

[Conspirator.]

"teh latest anime fillers have turned itachi into a terrorist".

What do you mean? He was already a terrorist before the present anime fillers were released.

 

[YellowFang]

but how???

I actually used sarcasm there... But however you look at it, genocide can never be justified.
Looking at Itachi's choices, he knew that Danzo is the one fueling the fire and he and Shisui just became his scapegoats. Most obviously, Uchiha were too angry to be placated but the reason Itachi chose for that inhumane act was based on assumptions, be their probability 99% but still there was still a chance...

'Uchiha's coup would have disrupted the region's peace, giving opportunity for the enemy nations to invade'... An assumption.

What if, Konoha could have suppressed them and handled the situation if Hokage was involved in the scheme...? You never know...



Don't judge me wrong, I'm an Itachi fan (not from IB, though) But clearly, someone as wise as Itachi was naive at one stage of his life and was overwhelmed by Danzo's manipulation skills...


Peace out!!!