Chaosmark101
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Pretty sure he was focused on Naruto up until he acknowledged Amaterasu was only able to distract him, and not able to finish him. [
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[VS] MS sasuke vs Killer B (rematch)
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Mad Titan Thanos
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If we go by your logic than Amaterasu had Rikudo chakra too.So remove Rikudo chakra from both cloak and Amaterasu and result would be same.
Stay butthurt chakra cloak negs Amaterasu like in cannon, I dont care about your fanfiction scenario .
well few factors
distance from which amaterasu was casted [
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distance from which amaterasu was casted [
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] added with the fact sasuke explicitly stated he cannot maintain control [
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] and had his eyes closed after the amaterasuall r VIZ scans btw
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UchihasRightfulHeir
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Not taking sides in this particular argument but technically naruto utilizes rikudou senjutsu while sasuke uses rikudou chakra
Pretty much this. Amaterasu not working had everything to do with his Chakra being depleted and him unable to control his eye. Kurama also confirms it that his eye was done:
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Ambivalence
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What kind of fanfics are you guys making up. Amaterasu didn't work because the V1 cloak chakra threw it away, it has nothing to do with Sasuke being "unable to control it" or whatever. He was referring to his Rinnegan, it was his left eye that he started losing control over because of his lack of chakra. Once Amaterasu is cast it's independent of Sasuke's actions, unless he starts using Enton to actually control it, which is his right eye's ability, which, in turn, was never referenced in that scan.
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I acknowledge that, but Sasuke could hardly maintain his Rinnegan implying that his vision had deteriorated at the time due to lack of chakra. Because of that, he could not properly focus the flames which is why it was only used as a distraction.
Why would this be significant? Because the black flames ignite on whatever the target is focusing on. Because he could not properly focus the flames on Naruto, the flames were unable to ignite on its target, so it posed as a distraction instead.
This isn't utter bs by the way. Sick Itachi couldn't properly use Amaterasu against a target significantly slower than V2 Raikage as his vision had deteriorated. Likewise, Kakashi couldn't use Kamui as effectively against Juubidara as he admitted his vision had deteriorated as well. Why is Sasuke suddenly an exception to this rule?
Yikes.
First of all, Naruto's Kurama Cloak is far superior to V1 Bee's even if we exclude Rikudou Chakra due to being an Ashura Transmigrant and the fact that Kurama's chakra shits on Hachibi's.
Second of all, way to ignore my argument about how Sasuke couldn't maintain control over his Rinnegan, therefore, the flames were unable to ignite on its target.
Again, I have nothing against you, but this is honestly ridiculous. I provide evidence and when it doesn't align to your understanding of the manga, you insult me and and claim it as fanfiction.
Seriously? He couldn't expand (against Kabuto) or manipulate the flames (countless times), summon more (Hachibi) etc etc. His eye was done. Amaterasu is but useless without the eye. Naruto cast the flame away because Sasuke couldn't do anything with it. How can Sasuke's eye be suddenly thrown out of the equation? It makes no sense to me.
No idea, but apparently we're uttering fanfiction here.
Kakashi and Itachi both displayed inferior usage of their MS due to vision deterioration and suddenly Sasuke is an exception to that rule.
Oh well, I guess that's fanfiction as well.
Chaosmark101
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But Sasuke stated he was unable to use his left eye properly after all ready using Amaterasu. There was no mention that he couldn't focus on Naruto, and his vision only deteriorated after being forced to close his left eye. He still was able to see through his right eye fine for the rest of the fight.
Focusing as in continuously spawning more flames on the target? Regardless if he could've/could not have, Naruto still had Kyuubi chakra for a cloak which Amaterasu would have to consume first before getting to him. I mean Sasuke spawned it but Because Naruto had a shield it couldn't consume him like it did Danzo when he was
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. Same goes for JJ Obito. Sick Itachi wasn't fighting to kill anyways, but I feel i should mention Rikudo Sasuke =/= Sick MS Itachi, or Kakashi.
They had Mangekyo Sharingans which lose their light. EMS, and the Rinnegan weren't shown or stated to go blind.
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I never said he couldn't cut off his own tentacle i was referring to you saying that Hachibi purposely made his great escape via tentacle. When in-fact he got lucky that Sasuke saved Karin.
His isn't charging a TBB while Amaterasu is covering his body. You want proof?
Let's look at this scan here[
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] Once Amaterasu hit his body he instantly started screaming. Nothing suggest that his pain tolerance will be any higher this time so for me to say he can't charge a Bijuudama while being burning by Amaterasu is a pretty accurate statement nonetheless. Blocking his face with his Tentacle was a strategy he already tried and it failed horribly.His Rinnegan bled as he attempted to use Amaterasu which is a sign of strain. Previously, he could use Amaterasu without his eyes bleeding when he could use his eyes properly:
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Of course, his eye bled in several different portions of his fight with Kaguya as he continued to use his Rinnegan more and more despite just awakening it, but when at full power, his eyes won't bleed at all which is a sign of lack of strain.
And regardless, the little bit of chakra Sasuke could muster into his Amaterasu is only going to add a minimal amount of strain at most, so it makes sense that he couldn't properly control his Rinnegan at that point, not to mention that he expended a lot of chakra just utilizing Indra's Arrow and resisting the explosion which is going to cause his chakra to tank.
Focusing as properly having your vision focused on your target and properly controlling the flames. He could not focus the flames properly which is a requirement for Amaterasu's ignition. He spawned it, but Amaterasu never ignited. Naruto wasn't consumed by Amaterasu because of reasons I stated before and the fact that his chakra was potent enough to resist it due to having Kurama's, Ashura's, and Rikudou's chakra, but Enton and Amaterasu can both plow through powerful chakras such as Raikage's Raiton Armor (which acts as a shield) and the Juubi itself. It makes no sense what you guys are arguing anyways. EMS Sasuke's Enton can cause the Juubi to yell in pain and his Amaterasu alone forced Juubito to block it with his TSB yet Rikudou Sasuke can't get through a simple V1 Cloak from Rikudou Naruto? Does that even make sense to you guys?
Sick Itachi's whole purpose was to catch Sasuke in his flames. Sick Itachi struggled keeping track and focusing the flames on Sasuke because his vision deteriorated. But still, Kakashi's example is still relevant and there's no way to argue against it.
Rikudou Sasuke is far superior to Sick MS Itachi or Kakashi, but that only means that he'd have to expend more chakra to get to that point, but using the Rinnegan itself consumes a lot of chakra, esp. for someone who hasn't adapted to it yet, so that point is moot.
EMS and Rinnegan do not lose their light, but that does not mean their vision cannot tank due to depleting their chakra and overusing their eye.
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Lord Tywin
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:lol why would even manipulating the flames on Naruto's body be a factor when the chakra cloak protected his entire body? the cloak covered his entire body. More flames would equal to Naruto getting rid of more of his cloak
fact is v1 cloak is >Amaterasu. Not talking about Enton sword or magtamas.(v1 is still a protection against magtamas, but not the sword)
fact is v1 cloak is >Amaterasu. Not talking about Enton sword or magtamas.(v1 is still a protection against magtamas, but not the sword)
End of Days
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This makes zero sense. Nothing indicates that Amaterasu's potency is alterable or affected by the eye getting weaker.
What his eye getting weaker would do is not allow him to use much of it (make it tough for him to use it but once he spawns the flames that's that) OR not being able to manipulate it. Has nothing to do with the attack potency.
This smells like a sorry attempt at saving Sasuke's face.
Chaosmark101
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Using Mangekyo techniques in general causes strain, not just Amaterasu. [
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]Also touching on the "when at full power his eyes won't bleed at all showing a lack of strain" That's not true because EMS Sasuke despite having maybe a weeks worth of rest still bled when using Amaterasu against Kabuto. [
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]And wasn't denying that Sasuke lost a lot of chakra. Obviously he did since after the clash he was only able perform 1 Ama, and then could only use his 3T and a Chidori that fizzled away. I'm arguing that the strain did not affect his vision Other than having 1 eye closed as I said in my last post. Not to mention Sasuke was using Mangekyo techniques (Susanoo, Enton, Amaterasu etc) with his new EMS just a day prior with no drawbacks.
What? Focusing the flames is not a requirement for Amaterasu igniting. And controlling it is done through
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. Amaterasu ignites whatever it touches. [
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] and thats supported by the manga. Also are you trying to downplay War arc Naruto's V1 cloaks? Naruto gave cloaks out to the entire remaining alliance iirc and they were able to withstand the V2 juubi's Tenpenchii before disappearing. [
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]They're obviously not the same as the V1 cloaks Naruto used in the past. Also not quite sure why your arguing as I said earlier Amaterasu didn't make direct contact with Naruto since he blocked it. Obviously if it hit, it'd hurt BUT IT DIDN'T. Ama (Enton) also Failed to burn Gaara's gourd sand.[
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] And also Naruto's V1 cloak which it couldn't get through either. So whats the excuse there?It wasn't only because his vision had detoriated. Itachi's poor health and Zetsu's statement directly after the fight made it clear his illness hindered his performance as he fought to stay alive long enough to fight his little brother. [
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] Kakashi's example is still a bad example as he'd been using Kamui ever since the start of shippuden. And transplanted Sharingan's give far more strain.
Rinnegan costs more chakra yet he used a mangekyo tech. So not bothering with that.
And I already agreed that his vision suffered a bit via only having 1 eye to go by for the rest of the fight. But I'm still finding it hard to believe his vision tanked from overusing his MS techs or Rinnegan. After all Sasuke said he just couldn't use his left eye anymore due to not having enough chakra at the time.
It's Sasuke. Fanfiction is okay to put him down. Those suddenly become facts. I mean, Jesus Christ, two people are stating that his eye was not working properly. He couldn't do anything with that flame. But it's somehow fanfiction because Sasuke is involved. This forum never ceases to amaze me. Even anime fillers are used now to put this guy down.
What face saving? The manga stating that his "powers have weakened" isn't enough? He couldn't use Chidori, his eye was weakened (both Kurma and him confirm it), so he couldn't focus properly. A jutsu that hinges completely upon focus would be rendered useless without it. But hey, it's Sasuke, so anything goes.
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