1.) DB gave them the same speed level, so I would assume their reaction would be around the same level too
There it is.
Having the same score in the databook =/= having the same ability in the different speed departments, otherwise I'd be claimng that Asuma > Kakashi in all forms of speed, or that Deidara and Sasori have equal movement speed as Hebi Sasuke. Your little example below is failed.
2.) Both simultaneously react to the same jutsu, but fail to physically dodge it, via against Sai. So one isnt superior in the other in that field.
Is this similar to the BS you said in another thread: "KCM and ribcage Susano'o were shown in the same panel, therefore they're equal in durability"? You mean
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, I assume. First of all, that isn't a mental reaction in any way, they just noticed that Sai, who was
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, was now gone. A mental reaction is Minato going for a hand sign when JJ Obito was about to kill Naruto. A mental reaction is Tobirama marking that same guy without managing to evade the blitz. Those two didn't react to the Inc Clones as they were punched back without a "!", a thought, them at least attempting to turn around, or anything before the impact that would indicate a mental reaction.
Even if that weren't true, all you're giving me is, in your words, a scan of someone attacking from the rear, away from their LoS, which isn't the same.
Also, iirc, Sasori failed to react to Kankuro attaching his strings to his and pulling him which is pretty bad.
No Deidara already reacted to his blitz and the scan you showed me was Sasuke attacking from rear, away from his LoS (as Deidara was making sure Tobi was safe from his range). Which isnt the same scenario. If anything, Sasori would be the one that has more keen awareness then Deidara, so it makes up for it
Why does that matter when an attack like that is bound to happen anyway? If an outright blitz fails, Sasuke often tries to go from the back, just like
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. Not that you've shown me anything from Sasori that would justify him reacting to either of the two options, except a databook point which you
assume means he has the same reactions as everyone that's scored the same as well, to which you have no evidence for except a misinterpreted scan.
And why would Sasori have more keen awareness? You're making him out to have reactions that would easily allow him to go in close range and slaughter Chiyo and Sakura, even though he not only noted the trap Sakura threw [
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Ok. Does a fodder being boost by CS2 suppose to justify what?
It's supposed to justify being completely out of the league of someone boosted by Senjutsu, even without using his Sharingan, as in that scan. Tell me again how the little puppets compare to that. Show me a scan of Sasori ever reacting to anyone's blitz.
Either way having Deidara's level of reaction
Assumption, as you yourself admitted.
is all thats needed to deal with Sasuke's speed and at least from the beginning of the match.
Because you say so? Suppose I let it slide that Sasori's reactions are the same as Deidara's. He can then barely react to Sasuke from 7 meters, and that's only for a blitz attempt, not for a CQC fight. What happens when Sasuke's up close? What happens if Sasuke goes for CS1 or CS2 and then attempts to blitz? Can you show me proof that he'd even react to that? Sasuke doesn't even need to have to swing his sword - as soon as he's in range, a Chidori Nagashi will stun Sasori and then his heart can be pierced.
As soon as Deidara narrowly dodged another blitz he went up in the air. He himself noted Sasuke is "
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". This means Deidara acknowledged staying on the ground and fighting up close was a no go.
Keep in mind physical damage is irrelevant to Sasori so
It's not irrelevant, lmao. Unless he has corpses of puppets around him, his heart can't possess a new body. Even then, once Sasuke sees that and realizes what's the deal it won't save him a second time. Not only that, Sasuke should figure it out much sooner. His Sharingan sees chakra. He won't see any on Sasori's body, except in the center, where the heart is. He'll pretty much aim for there from the start, assuming Sasori starts in his real body. If not, then he will figure it out once Hirako goes down.
How is he overwhelming Hiruko by scenario, when he would be too close, failing to read through his booby traps? Intel also plays a role.
What scenario? And since when is
Hiruko, Sasori inside a puppet, going to have the same reactions? This is becoming ridiculous. That puppet is never opening its mouth and shooting out needles or that mechanism before it gets diced, not that Sasuke can't just do this from a safe distance with Chidori Spear.. Also, Sasuke can
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which restrained the strongest CS2 user completely or summon
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as a shield which laughs at anything Hiruko can dish out. Sasuke summons both of those extremely fast, so execution won't be a problem. You also seem to be under the majorly wrong impression that the quantity of needles = certain scratch and them being impossible to dodge. Part 1 Neji was avoiding multiple projectiles at high speed without a problem [
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], Chiyo and Sakura were squeezing through the needles from almost point blank range [
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]. Sasuke >>> any of those in every physical department, so he does the same as well.
With or without intel Sasuke is taking this. With intel it just becomes a complete stomp.
How is he overwhelming Kazekage by scenario
How is he overwhelming using himself (with puppets support) by scenario?
What the fuсk is this scenario you're talking about? And honestly, Sasuke has so many ways of destroying Kazekage/Sasori that I'm almost too lazy to list them all. Buuuut:
- Kazekage initially charged in with the blades soaked in poison. Those were reacted to and countered by Chiyo [
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]. Not that this needs to be said, but Hebi Sasuke >> Chiyo in reactions (or anything speed-wise), so he does the same, only he dodges or blocks with his katana, or dodges and counters by slicing off the wooden arms. Additionally, those blades are done for if Sasuke first infuses the sword with Raiton and brings the sharp part of the blade to block, which would slice them.
- Then come the multiple hands. Same as above, though this time they can also be blocked by CS2's wings, as I don't see how the hands themselves carry poison. Sasuke can then just fire a Katon at them to burn down, which he can do to the puppet itself, by the way.
- Then comes the poison cloud. Easily,
easily avoided by Sasuke, as the only way Sasori ensured Sakura was in it was by firing two ropes. If you try to argue Sasuke is restrained by them, you'll be the first on my ignore list.
- After it's some kunai firing. I doubt I need to go in detail here.
- Then comes IS. Smaller projectiles are evaded, as they aren't even as numerous as the needles from Hirako, while Suna Shigure can even be blocked by the snake that tanked Deidara's clay birds. The bigger shapes are cut by Chidori Spear, which you failed to counter below.
- Lastly, Sasori notes that Chiyo can basically counter him all day long: [
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]. True, she knows the traps, but what Sasuke lacks in intel he makes up in much greater overall ability and wider variety of ways to negate the traps.
And
all of this is assuming the 3rd Kazekage puppet somehow lives through Sasuke's attacks, which is never happening. Not while its best feat is fighting on par with 2 puppets who are... featless themselves. Also, can you tell me what happens when the puppet catches fire? It seems funny that it can be destroyed by a simple Katon, but it kinda seems possible.
Regardless, it won't all the Raiton cutting.
These puppets can take out an entire country.
A country of nobodies, sure. Empty hype, as usual.
These puppets can float and they move swiftly for themselves so it won't be easy nor the same scenario for Sasuke to dominate as he did with 1000 shinobi's, as they dont share the same movements as them.
Basically nothing said. Complete fanfic that you can't support with nothing. 100 puppets moving better than 1000 shinobi? They're
puppets. They don't have the same fluidity as humans, are you dense? The same puppets that Sakura was
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and
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of?
I'm done.
Plus they're moving by Sasori reaction.
Lmao, if that were the case, Sasori's puppets wouldn't have been completely devastated by Chiyo, her 10 puppets and ES Sakura. Supposedly Sasori has the reactions that allow him to react to base Hebi Sasuke. So, by your logic, all the puppets can as well, therefore Sasori should've crushed them. Nevermind the fact that the distance between the puppet, the opponent and Sasori is all different, therefore more time is needed for Sasori to not only react but also move his fingers.
But seriously - trying to imply a fuсking puppet can react to a Shunshin from Sasuke is stupid.
There is no guarantee that a single slash of Sasuke's sword can dispatch one puppet
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he may use Chidorigatana to increase his lethality, with Sasori should already be familiar with now in battle
So? How does him knowing about Chidori Kusanagi make him able to counter it?
1 scratch still spells death for Sasuke
It does not, not that he will get scratched.
and while he conceivably has some chance of getting through the first two steps unscathed, he will inevitably be overwhelmed by 100 opponents.
Based on what? You mean just like how he was overwhelmed by 1000 ninja? You mean just like Chiyo and Sakura were overwhelmed?
Oh, wait.
It stands to reason that as Sasuke dispatches more of Sasori's 100 puppets, Sasori's attention will be more focused on his remaining puppets. What this means is that Sasuke may at first find himself holding his own against the 100 puppets, only to be caught surprise by a sudden increase in their skill level due to Sasori's increasingly focused control. And Sasori could always jump in while at it.
The strawman is real. Sasuke dices through all of those
featless,
fodder puppets, for which you have failed to bring any argumentation or evidence of having comparable CQC to Sasuke (which is retarded anyway), and then goes for Sasori, not that he can't just charge his way through them and go for him from the get go. Not that Manda won't completely plow through them and end Sasori. Not that CS doesn't further increase his physical abilities. Not that Sasori living this long means Kirin won't be prepped.
I just dont see it when Kazekage is being used for, that alone would beat Sasuke, and if not he would be completely drained from here on out.
In your ideal, fanfic fight - maybe. You have presented zero proof on how:
1. Sasori lives through Sasuke assaulting Hiruko
2. 3rd Kazekage has any way of doing anything to Sasuke
3. Sasuke would somehow barely beat the Kazekage puppet and he'll be tuckered out, despite Hebi Sasuke going up close against much tougher opponents than a puppet who failed to kill ES Sakura.
I already explained above how the 3rd is irrelevant anyway.
Lol stop it was clearly showed that Chiyo had to play defense for her too[
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], And they were forced to seal him to end the onslaught that was about to happen.
All this scan shows is Chiyo moving her fingers
once to save Sakura from an attack from behind. Before and after that it was all her. Need I bring the scan where Chiyo herself says that Sakura is starting to get used to Sasori's style? Well, here: [
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]. That's why Chiyo only provided assistance this one time, in the scan you just linked, instead of controlling her nonstop like before.
And, for the umpteenth time: Sasuke >>>>> ES Sakura.
By logic, Gold Dust originally is heaver then sand. Which played a role against Shukaku/Gaara's sand. Iron Sand, on the other hand,[
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How does this in any way counter what I said? How in the hell are you basically implying Gaara's sand = regular sand when hardened? That databook page says zero about IS's durability. Gold Dust is heavier than regular sand, it's in no way sturdier than Gaara's sand when hardened, which was the whole point. Fact of the matter is, Gaara's sand has proven to withstand and attack that was said to penetrate steel. Steel>Iron. That's all.
Poison works much more different then physical damage, so I fail to see how he would be capable of substituting a new body.
Dude. He leaves the old body and emerges with a completely new one. Lost limbs are given back, bisection is nullified. New body means no poison in it. Simple is that.
So no counter for the significant increase in physical ability then, plus the ability to glide? Since you've failed to give me anything that would say base Hebi Sasuke will have difficulties with anything Sasori throws at him, where does that put CS2 Sasuke?
Hahahahahahaha.
Oh, you were serious? Well then, I'll be expecting a scan where it says an organism 1000 times larger than a human will be affected the same way in the same time frame it takes for the poison to take effect on a human, unless you'd want to retake some biology classes first. Also, still no counter to Manda just plowing through and at least getting Sasuke through Sasori. Sasuke can just hide in his mouth, Manda eats Sasori's real body and... gg.
- True, which hardly a scenario to where Sasuke would pull it off.
You were making up scenarios where Sasuke barely survives the fight with the 3rd Kazekage puppet, which is funny enough, but now you're saying all that time Sasuke wouldn't have prepped Kirin. Not only do you have zero proof, scans, argumentation or anything on how Sasori avoids Sasuke's attacks or how Sasori's puppets survive longer than a second in close range, based on
feats shown, but now Sasuke apparently dies before he even gets the chance to pull off Kirin.
I'm gonna be waiting on anything solid before I continue. Don't bother coming with strawman arguments or fanfictions.
