[VS] MS sasuke vs Killer B (rematch)

[Magnolius]

For a guy who is not upset at all and uses the term dipshit, you sure have such clever insults on you.



He actually did keep up just fine. As he threw his sword in his other hand and slammed his hand into his chest to run Raiton through his body. I explained this to my friend better here:

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All attacks blocked and countered save for that tiny scratch:

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He made Chidori run through the sword with his left hand. Notice carefully, how his Chidori sword is in his left hand as well, but when Bee deflects it, it's in his right hand:

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It's in his other hand now, and the Chidori is gone:

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Bee confirms Sasuke used Chidori on himself:

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I highly doubt Sasuke made seals and then did it. Because that would make Sasuke 20 times faster than Bee, given the distance between them, Bee's own immense speed and the fact that the stab has already been made. So, I will go for the only logical option: Sasuke used the Chidori he already had on himself. As there is no way in hell the other is true.

Not only that, this is how fast Sasuke moved compared to V1 Bee when Karin healed his injuries from Itachi's fight (it was confirmed that he was injured at the start):

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His reflex action is faster than V1 Bee. As I proved above. He was, in fact, moving several times faster than V1 Bee. Bee compared his reflex and evasion speed to his brother. I can throw in the other speed speed as well, but it would be redundant. So, where was he not keeping up in CQC, when none such manga image exists?

Furthermore, a mere sword was reacting to Bee's movements. Kisame never did a thing:

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Bee was punked both times by a damned sword. It saw no increase in movement and reacted faster and better than Bee. The only reason Kisame got blasted was because the chakra was heavy and touched his body this time. Why? The sword couldn't absorb all of it, so he got the full blow of it this time and Samehada broke several of its teeth in the process.

Bee also cannot afford to throw his chakra around, as it costs him nearly all of his chakra as well. And Hachibi does not have infinite to spare. As after two more of these incidents, Hachibi was out of chakra ... and so was Bee:

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^ So, Hachibi does not have infinite chakra to spare. He can form that cloak only thrice after he is drained dry. So, my question remains, Bee throws Amaterasu away, Sasuke throws it back like he did with Gaara. How long will he keep this up, as V2 cannot be discarded given that the chakra in "containted" in a human form:

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For a guy who is not upset at all and uses the term dipshit, you sure have such clever insults on you.



He actually did keep up just fine. As he threw his sword in his other hand and slammed his hand into his chest to run Raiton through his body. I explained this to my friend better here:

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All attacks blocked and countered save for that tiny scratch:

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He made Chidori run through the sword with his left hand. Notice carefully, how his Chidori sword is in his left hand as well, but when Bee deflects it, it's in his right hand:

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It's in his other hand now, and the Chidori is gone:

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Bee confirms Sasuke used Chidori on himself:

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I highly doubt Sasuke made seals and then did it. Because that would make Sasuke 20 times faster than Bee, given the distance between them, Bee's own immense speed and the fact that the stab has already been made. So, I will go for the only logical option: Sasuke used the Chidori he already had on himself. As there is no way in hell the other is true.

Not only that, this is how fast Sasuke moved compared to V1 Bee when Karin healed his injuries from Itachi's fight (it was confirmed that he was injured at the start):

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His reflex action is faster than V1 Bee. As I proved above. He was, in fact, moving several times faster than V1 Bee. Bee compared his reflex and evasion speed to his brother. I can throw in the other speed speed as well, but it would be redundant. So, where was he not keeping up in CQC, when none such manga image exists?

Furthermore, a mere sword was reacting to Bee's movements. Kisame never did a thing:

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Bee was punked both times by a damned sword. It saw no increase in movement and reacted faster and better than Bee. The only reason Kisame got blasted was because the chakra was heavy and touched his body this time. Why? The sword couldn't absorb all of it, so he got the full blow of it this time and Samehada broke several of its teeth in the process.

Bee also cannot afford to throw his chakra around, as it costs him nearly all of his chakra as well. And Hachibi does not have infinite to spare. As after two more of these incidents, Hachibi was out of chakra ... and so was Bee:

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^ So, Hachibi does not have infinite chakra to spare. He can form that cloak only thrice after he is drained dry. So, my question remains, Bee throws Amaterasu away, Sasuke throws it back like he did with Gaara. How long will he keep this up, as V2 cannot be discarded given that the chakra in "containted" in a human form:

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I wasn't able to view any of the photos you provided because I am at school right not, and the internet must restrict the websites that the images are on. However, it is obvious by text that you're trying to prove that Sasuke has superior speed and reflexes to V1 Bee because he was able to keep up with base Bee. Yes, Sasuke was able to keep up with base Bee, but just barely. He had 3 tomoe Sharingan activated and was still be overwhelmed by Bee's speed and fighting style.

Struggling to keep up, while been hit multiple times:

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Required the assistance of "two" of his friends, and still couldn't keep up or even land as much as a scratch:

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Was completely outclassed by "base" Bee in cqc:

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And almost killed before his "friends" (which he doesn't have in this fight, under OP's conditions) intercepted:

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Bee being defeated by Sasuke was only the end result of Bee fighting both Sasuke and allies who assisted him heavily in the match, from healing him, to fighting for him while he recovered:

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Hell, Sasuke couldn't even beat Bee when he was actually cloaked.

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Let alone a Bee in v2

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And a response to Enton? Anime has already shown that if a jinchuuriki is caught with enton while they have a tailed beast cloak on, Enton will only burn the cloak and partially the skin. Bee would just reform his cloak and go about fighting Sasuke more carefully. Besides, with intel due to their previous battle, Bee already knows to avoid Enton and has the reflexes to. If Sasuke cloaks his Susano'o in Enton, Bee will revert to long range attack, like Mini TBB or TBB Blast.

 

[shelke]

I wasn't able to view any of the photos you provided because I am at school right not, and the internet must restrict the websites that the images are on. However, it is obvious by text that you're trying to prove that Sasuke has superior speed and reflexes to V1 Bee because he was able to keep up with base Bee. Yes, Sasuke was able to keep up with base Bee, but just barely. He had 3 tomoe Sharingan activated and was still be overwhelmed by Bee's speed and fighting style.

Struggling to keep up, while been hit multiple times:

Required the assistance of "two" of his friends, and still couldn't keep up or even land as much as a scratch:

Was completely outclassed by "base" Bee in cqc:

And almost killed before his "friends" (which he doesn't have in this fight, under OP's conditions) intercepted:

Bee being defeated by Sasuke was only the end result of Bee fighting both Sasuke and allies who assisted him heavily in the match, from healing him, to fighting for him while he recovered:

Hell, Sasuke couldn't even beat Bee when he was actually cloaked.

Let alone a Bee in v2

And a response to Enton? Anime has already shown that if a jinchuuriki is caught with enton while they have a tailed beast cloak on, Enton will only burn the cloak and partially the skin. Bee would just reform his cloak and go about fighting Sasuke more carefully. Besides, with intel due to their previous battle, Bee already knows to avoid Enton and has the reflexes to. If Sasuke cloaks his Susano'o in Enton, Bee will revert to long range attack, like Mini TBB or TBB Blast.

None of that ever happened in the manga (bar the scans that can be provided) in regards to several cuts. Sasuke's clothes are completely untouched. So, filler? I showed the complete scans that involved CQC. Unless, you want to tell me that all those blocked attacks and Bee confirming Sasuke using Chidori (when he had already made the stab) were smoke and mirrors, then there is nothing to say here. Sasuke matched him blow for blow. The scans prove it. Other than that one cut, Bee never outclassed him in speed. You are denying canon manga now.

You mean a crash tackle from behind? What does that have anything to do with speed or CQC skill? Bee was helped by Hachibi in breaking the genjutsu, in using cloaks ... and he repeatedly failed to kill Sasuke and others when he was going all out. Sasuke could have blitzed and killed him when he used Genjutsu: he froze in air, skidded to a halt, Sasuke is shown panting and ... then he turns around. How long do you think that took? That isn't ample time to kill someone?

Already showed a scan of Sasuke moving several times faster than Bee in V1. Which only proves me right that Sasuke was faster than V1 Bee. Heck, Bee agrees with me. Unless, Bee is lying. That doesn't count? That crash tackle isn't helping your argument, when Sasuke felled him not a panel back. Bee getting bailed out by Hachibi repeatedly has nothing to do with his own skill or speed or CQC.

Sasuke also could have killed him with a Chidori as well. He didn't choose to. The mission was to capture Bee, not kill him. He could have let Amaterasu burn, ending Bee. That's three chances he got over Bee, when Bee only got a surprise drop on him ... once? Bee also had eight tails and he STILL failed to kill even a single one of them and only truly injured Sasuke once, when he could have been killed thrice had Sasuke chosen to.

V2 does what? Already proved it in my scans, that other than adding force to the blows, it does nothing. Seriously, you are using anime filler to prove me wrong?

 

[Simbv]

So let me get this straight.

Sasuke fans think that Sauske can win the same fight, in the same scenario without the help of his comrades(who saved his ass twice)?
Lordy lord lord.

 

[Ambivalence]

All Bee has to do is stay out of BM and keep dodging until Sasuke collapses, so he still probably wins.

So let me get this straight.

Sasuke fans think that Sauske can win the same fight, in the same scenario without the help of his comrades(who saved his ass twice)?
Lordy lord lord.

Even you're not that stupid. Taka Sasuke didn't even know how to cast Amaterasu. Peak MS Sasuke has Enton, Amaterasu and a V4 Susano'o, so the difference is immense.

 

[NarutoX28]

retcon happened dont be retarded.

No it didn't.

Naruto's V1 Cloak blocked Sasuke's Amaterasu as it had Rikudou Chakra and the fact that Sasuke could not properly focus his eye.

I know you have something against me because I don't wank Gai, but lets not resort to insults here.

 

[BLAZE]

Bee outlasts or Bijuu Dama gg

Sasuke fans think that Sauske can win the same fight, in the same scenario without the help of his comrades(who saved his ass twice)?
Lordy lord lord.

Susanoo>>>>Anything Taka can offer :lol

 

[4 Sword Style]

No it didn't.

Naruto's V1 Cloak blocked Sasuke's Amaterasu as it had Rikudou Chakra and the fact that Sasuke could not properly focus his eye.

I know you have something against me because I don't wank Gai, but lets not resort to insults here.

And Sasuke's Amaterasu had Rikudo chakra. Quit making things up.

In canon v1 cloak countered it. Theres nothing to argue here

 

[LoZelda101]

All Bee has to do is stay out of BM and keep dodging until Sasuke collapses, so he still probably wins.

is KB fast enough to dodge susanoo's arrow? kakashi had to warp his away and DSM kabuto's tail got pinned.

I see a lot of arguments so let me address them.

BM is suicide - Agreed

V2 cloack outlasts sasuke and fast enough to dodge amaterasu lol. That would require V2 Bee to be V2 raikage level in speed. Which is also not true. Would require him to be faster than 6 tails Naruto in Kurama cloak which is also not true. Amaterasu gets him. He can deactivate the cloak to release ama but then susanoo arrows get him.

In V1. While he might be able to fend off amaterasu via canon. He is not fast enough to avoid susanoo arrows.

Bee's best chance is TBB to bust susanoo anyways, so he has to be in V2. Creating a TBB is a relatively long process in battle terms. From pein's battle with kurama, we know it can be interrupted so sasuke shoots arrows at the thing whenever bee tries to do anything.

Sasuke wins high diff.

nvm got my answer

 

[LoZelda101]

None of that ever happened in the manga (bar the scans that can be provided) in regards to several cuts. Sasuke's clothes are completely untouched. So, filler? I showed the complete scans that involved CQC. Unless, you want to tell me that all those blocked attacks and Bee confirming Sasuke using Chidori (when he had already made the stab) were smoke and mirrors, then there is nothing to say here. Sasuke matched him blow for blow. The scans prove it. Other than that one cut, Bee never outclassed him in speed. You are denying canon manga now.

You mean a crash tackle from behind? What does that have anything to do with speed or CQC skill? Bee was helped by Hachibi in breaking the genjutsu, in using cloaks ... and he repeatedly failed to kill Sasuke and others when he was going all out. Sasuke could have blitzed and killed him when he used Genjutsu: he froze in air, skidded to a halt, Sasuke is shown panting and ... then he turns around. How long do you think that took? That isn't ample time to kill someone?

Already showed a scan of Sasuke moving several times faster than Bee in V1. Which only proves me right that Sasuke was faster than V1 Bee. Heck, Bee agrees with me. Unless, Bee is lying. That doesn't count? That crash tackle isn't helping your argument, when Sasuke felled him not a panel back. Bee getting bailed out by Hachibi repeatedly has nothing to do with his own skill or speed or CQC.

Sasuke also could have killed him with a Chidori as well. He didn't choose to. The mission was to capture Bee, not kill him. He could have let Amaterasu burn, ending Bee. That's three chances he got over Bee, when Bee only got a surprise drop on him ... once? Bee also had eight tails and he STILL failed to kill even a single one of them and only truly injured Sasuke once, when he could have been killed thrice had Sasuke chosen to.

V2 does what? Already proved it in my scans, that other than adding force to the blows, it does nothing. Seriously, you are using anime filler to prove me wrong?

lol true. it's like everytime sasuke's MS activated it put killer bee in the worst situation ever that could've killed him if not for circumstances (keeping him alive/escaping)

 

[BLAZE]

is KB fast enough to dodge susanoo's arrow? kakashi had to warp his away and DSM kabuto's tail got pinned.

Dude He is one of the fastest :|

 

[shelke]

lol true. it's like everytime sasuke's MS activated it put killer bee in the worst situation ever that could've killed him if not for circumstances (keeping him alive/escaping)

It took him several seconds to recover. In CQC, Sasuke puts him in Genjutsu and that gives Sasuke enough time to stab a Chidori through his skull. People act like as if he woke up in a nano-second, which is laughable.

Dude He is one of the fastest :|

Bee isn't dodging an arrow.

 

[LoZelda101]

Dude He is one of the fastest :|

considering 3 tamoe sharingan and sage mode perception wasn't enough to dodge I had to question.

 

[BLAZE]

Bee isn't dodging an arrow.

Nah he is

considering 3 tamoe sharingan and sage mode perception wasn't enough to dodge I had to question.

Kabuto dodged the arrow
2nd time sasuke was only able to hit him when he was preoccupied with Itachi

 

[shelke]

Nah he is

Kabuto dodged the arrow
2nd time Sasuke was only able to hit him when he was preoccupied with Itachi

How? I would say Kabuto is comfortably faster as he was giving two speedsters one hell of a time.

 

[LoZelda101]

Nah he is

Kabuto dodged the arrow
2nd time sasuke was only able to hit him when he was preoccupied with Itachi

sage mode threat awareness not as effective when preoccupied?

 

[shelke]

sage mode threat awareness not as effective when preoccupied?

He was distracted by the debris falling from above. He still recovered fast and attacked Itachi.

 

[BLAZE]

How? I would say Kabuto is comfortably faster as he was giving two speedsters one hell of a time.

He had few advantage
1.They were not trying to kill him
2.Cave was perfect for his abilities
3.counter to ocular genjutsu
4.Knowledge about uchihas

sage mode threat awareness not as effective when preoccupied?

The yasaka magatama explosion all around him blocking his path [

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[shelke]

He had few advantage
1.They were not trying to kill him
2.Cave was perfect for his abilities
3.counter to ocular genjutsu
4.Knowledge about uchihas

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True. But that doesn't mean he wasn't fast, which is my argument. Those feats helped him, but they have little to do with his speed.

 

[enditallsin]

This is going to be a horrific defeat..Bee wins. Amateratsu gets deflected by version 1 cloak, samahade eats susanoo (since it can eat 6 tails of bijuu chakra at once INSTANTLY, eating a MS susanoo will be probably less than a snack that won't even make it grow much) Eight-O can dispel genjutsu, bees reaction timing eclipses sasukes(bee reacting to FTG). And obviously in taijutsu sasukes going to get his ass kicked really really badly (Bee not only toppled Ay but took a direct blow from him and was standing in the same spot) . And sasuke can't even use his lighting techniques to give him a advantage cause bee will counter most of them with his own. This match is going to end worst than time.... ANNNNND sasuke won't even have a team this time. Sasukes only hope is to win is to be able to hit bee with that arrow of his. But bee can simply go version 1 again and keep moving around making difficulty for sasuke to hit him. And even than sasuke better prey his regular arrow can even pierce version 2. No real proof that says is can. Though in reality its perfectly possible for version 1 to be able to block sasukes arrow. After all during the 4th great ninja war version 1 was able to block the yaska magatam's from madaras hashirama powered susanoo without any problems, as well as survive a few attacks from the juubei. So I can't see why it wouldn't be able to block sasukes arrow. And that's only IF the version one power up doesn't give bee the speed to be able to dodge, which is very likely.

 

[NarutoX28]

And Sasuke's Amaterasu had Rikudo chakra. Quit making things up.

In canon v1 cloak countered it. Theres nothing to argue here

And he could not properly focus his eye which is something you've chosen to ignore.

You also seem to ignore the fact that Amaterasu engulfed and overwhelmed the Hachibi which releases more chakra than V1 Bee or the fact that Juubito was forced to block Amaterasu instead of tanking it straight-up.

Let me guess. V1 Cloak >> Juubi Jin in durability?