How does Hashirama counter Tsukuyomi?

[Genyūmaru1]

Dude. Hope you joking. This is so sad because i am Itachi fan as well, and I have to agree that some Itachi fanboys are terrible (like Minato fanboys, more or less)... :|

You're obviously not a real Itachi fan, if you think Tsukuyomi doesn't > Hashirama. Take your bullshit somewhere else. Leave this to the REAL itachi fans.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Well if you knew how genjutsu worked in general, and how it can be broken.. you wouldn't really need feats... But then again, you only have feats of Tsukuyomi on Kakashi/Orochimaru and hebi sasuke.. none of them having perfect chakra control.. none of them being even 1/10 as strong as Hashirama.. Jesus christ what are Tsukuyomi's big feats again???

Tsukuyomi isn't an ORDINARY Genjutsu. Get that through your thick skull.

 

[Simbv]

He would. Unless hashi has genjutsu feats idk about

How does Itachi beat Hashi. I'm all ears.

 

[KingHashirama]

Tsukuyomi isn't an ORDINARY Genjutsu. Get that through your thick skull.

Sadly , there is only 1 genjutsu in the entire manga, that can't be broken by normal means. Infinite Tsukuyomi, which is due to it being casted by the strongest chakra in the Naruto-verse. And Itachi's tuskuyomi doesn't happen to be Infinite tsukuyomi.. Sooo.. it kind of is an ordinary genjutsu... the only difference is.. its a strong genjutsu, that makes the user control the opponent's chakra in the carnial nerves have stronger control over it.


Sound genjutsu/MS genjutsu/EMS genjutsu, can all be broken by normal means. Except for Infinite Tsukuyomi.

 

[Berkenstiel]

Well if you knew how genjutsu worked in general, and how it can be broken.. you wouldn't really need feats... But then again, you only have feats of Tsukuyomi on Kakashi/Orochimaru and hebi sasuke.. none of them having perfect chakra control.. none of them being even 1/10 as strong as Hashirama.. Jesus christ what are Tsukuyomi's big feats again???

So ironic, Kishimoto never made Itachi go against, the 2 types of non-Sharingan people who can easily break genjutsu. First one, being the ones with perfect control.. the second ones being, the chakra powerhouses, aka the big boy senjus. @ThatCharacterProtection.

Tsukuyomi can only be broken with uchiha blood - manga fact
Itachi regular genjutsu cant even be defeated with the 2 person system - manga fact
Even Koto cant be defeated only avoided

Chakra has nothing to with beating it. Once he has you there is no avoiding or beating it. Which is why itachi solos.

How does Itachi beat Hashi. I'm all ears.

Tsukuyomi GG
If eyes closed ->Kasegui -> Totsuka/Tsukuyomi
Insert Gen -> Totsuka
Izanami loop
Programmed ka GG

 

[-immortal-]

How does Itachi beat Hashi. I'm all ears.

with Genjutsu. thats what this whole thread has been about. maybe you should be more eyes and not all ears.

 

[KingHashirama]

Tsukuyomi can only be broken with uchiha blood - manga fact
Itachi regular genjutsu cant even be defeated with the 2 person system - manga fact
Even Koto cant be defeated only avoided

Chakra has nothing to with beating it. Once he has you there is no avoiding or beating it. Which is why itachi solos.

1. Its not a manga fact. This is basic reading skills here.. a character's statement is not a fact, unless that character is omnipotent or the narrator of the book/manga.

2. Except it was defeated by the 2 person system.

3. Koto is a much much much stronger genjutsu compared to Tsukuyomi.. And it's significance isn't that it can't be defeated..its prowess is that the opponent won't ever know he/she is under a genjutsu.. thus it can never be countered or broken by the opponent.

"chakra has nothing to wwith beating it"... actually you're wrong there.. chakra has everything to do with beating it.. that is the sole reason wwhy Hebi Sasuke was able to beat it. Please read up on genjutsu.

 

[Simbv]

with Genjutsu. thats what this whole thread has been about. maybe you should be more eyes and not all ears.

Ignored.

Tsukuyomi can only be broken with uchiha blood - manga fact
Itachi regular genjutsu cant even be defeated with the 2 person system - manga fact
Even Koto cant be defeated only avoided

Chakra has nothing to with beating it. Once he has you there is no avoiding or beating it. Which is why itachi solos.


Tsukuyomi GG
If eyes closed ->Kasegui -> Totsuka/Tsukuyomi
Insert Gen -> Totsuka
Izanami loop
Programmed ka GG

1. Hashiramas sage mode makes that useless.
2.sage mode can predict chakra and attacks. Shown when Naruto fights limbo clones.nthat being said he has the speed feats to dodge the blade.
3. No reason why Hashi wouldn't break out of that genjutsu.
4. Izanami only works on those who are not sure of themselves, you're an Itachi fan but you don't know this?
5. Literally the only thing that saves Itachis ass, and he no longer has it.

 

[Nardo]

Correct

So you're saying Hagoromo can't stop Itachi?

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[-immortal-]

Ignored.

ignored in denial

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[Genyūmaru1]

Don't y'all love these Hashirama wankers struggle as they scramble their feeble brains for ways Hashirama defeats Itachi?

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Only a God, can decide destiny.

 

[SenseiSama]

Genjutsu and Edo Tensei have the same binding properties. If he can't be held by Edo Tensei then he can't be kept under genjutsu. He also has the body to tank pain so there's really no way of hurting him using illusions.

 

[KingHashirama]

Don't y'all love these Hashirama wankers struggle as they scramble their feeble brains for ways Hashirama defeats Itachi?

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Only a God, can decide destiny.

The love/liking has nothing to do with people not agreeing with blind wanking, and exploiting false arguments.

 

[Simbv]

Don't y'all love these Hashirama wankers struggle as they scramble their feeble brains for ways Hashirama defeats Itachi?

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Only a God, can decide destiny.

To bad that wouldn't work on Hashi.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

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[Berkenstiel]

So you're saying Hagoromo can't stop Itachi?

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I'm saying Hags cant stop tsukuyomi

1. Hashiramas sage mode makes that useless.
2.sage mode can predict chakra and attacks. Shown when Naruto fights limbo clones.nthat being said he has the speed feats to dodge the blade.
3. No reason why Hashi wouldn't break out of that genjutsu.
4. Izanami only works on those who are not sure of themselves, you're an Itachi fan but you don't know this?
5. Literally the only thing that saves Itachis ass, and he no longer has it.

1. v
2. Predicting isnt the same as stopping. And this is after the rikudou amp. SM couldn't sense limbo before this like when he used it on the Bijuu to my knowledge
3. Trapped Oro effortlessly who had a 5 in genjutsu. Keep in mind itachi moves are fast he doesnt need to have u distracted for long.
4. Izanami can work from simple gestures. And not knowing yourself is not a requirement it can be used as a simple distraction for totsuka.
5. Whats your point itachi is dead he no longer has anything as is hashi

 

[Aznkidd]

The man who put all Uchiha bow down to his feet.....

 

[KingHashirama]

^^ And that simply exposes your true colors as a troll.. and why this forum on the website, has gone downhill.. because people can't have a normal discussion, without trolling or raging .. and simply acting like little kids with the excuse of "its the internet".

 

[Simbv]

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I'm saying Hags cant stop tsukuyomi



1. v
2. Predicting isnt the same as stopping. And this is after the rikudou amp. SM couldn't sense limbo before this like when he used it on the Bijuu to my knowledge
3. Trapped Oro effortlessly who had a 5 in genjutsu. Keep in mind itachi moves are fast he doesnt need to have u distracted for long.
4. Izanami can work from simple gestures. And not knowing yourself is not a requirement it can be used as a simple distraction for totsuka.
5. Whats your point itachi is dead he no longer has anything as is hashi

2.hashi isn't a bijuu
3.Hashi is superior to Orochimarum in combat, and lol at data book usage.
4. Speculation, to my knowledge Izanami needs a physical catalyst to even initiate.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Genjutsu and Edo Tensei have the same binding properties. If he can't be held by Edo Tensei then he can't be kept under genjutsu. He also has the body to tank pain so there's really no way of hurting him using illusions.

Tsukuyomi doesn't though. If Tsukuyomi was regular genjutsu then yeah, Hashirama would break out no diff I acknowledge that.

Tsukuyomi oneshots Hashirama that's all there is to it.

To bad that wouldn't work on Hashi.

Lol what. Itachi controls the victims destiny within that technique. Hashirama would be screwed. Let me guess you'll say KA doesn't work on Hashirama either? Because Itachi has that in his arsenal as well.