How does Hashirama counter Tsukuyomi?

[KingHashirama]

Tsukuyomi can only be broken by Uchiha blood. Simply raising your chakra to an obscene level isn't breaking him out. :lol:

Tsukuyomi works like any other genjutsu, except the user has a stronger control over the opponent's chakra flow in the brain. Now why did Itachi say it can only be broken by Uchiha blood?? Because Sharingan is the easiest thing to break a genjutsu with. Reason being, the sharingan has a direct relation with the chakra in the brain (as explained by Tobirama), thus allowing the sharingan user to counter the genjutsu by making it easier to interrupt the irregular flow of the chakra in the brain, that was done by the opponent to cast the genjutsu.

Interrupting the chakra flow is the key to breaking any genjutsu, except for IT. All genjutsu is broken by interrupting the flow of the chakra. Itachi's Tsukuyomi is no exception. Unless you can provide a scan where its been casted on somebody like the calibar of Hashirama and Madara and Tobirama.. and they failed to get out of it.. you can't. Because Kishimoto picked those specific people who can't get out of the tsukuyomi. None of the people who were caught by Tsukuyomi are known for best chakra control.. or are on Hashirama's level.. So to claim its going to work on somebody like Hashirama.. you're gonna need more proof.

Now you're questioning, whether somebody like Hashirama who possesses chakra on par with Kurama himself, and can crack up the entire room and put pressure on people by simply raising his chakra can break a genjutsu casted by a MS or not??

 

[Genyūmaru1]

My take,

All of special MS attacks are charged before thrown at the opponent, one can feel that something big is coming their way. Hashirama is too experienced and strong to manage a counter just at the right time...

Sure, Hashirama has fought against Uchiha. But he's never fought against Itachi, a prodigy in Genjutsu.

Not only can Itachi imbue his crows with his own techniques (Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu etc), eye contact is instant. One look, and it's game over. And since Hashirama fights with eye contact..

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Tsukuyomi works like any other genjutsu, except the user has a stronger control over the opponent's chakra flow in the brain. Now why did Itachi say it can only be broken by Uchiha blood?? Because Sharingan is the easiest thing to break a genjutsu with. Reason being, the sharingan has a direct relation with the chakra in the brain (as explained by Tobirama), thus allowing the sharingan user to counter the genjutsu by making it easier to interrupt the irregular flow of the chakra in the brain, that was done by the opponent to cast the genjutsu.

Interrupting the chakra flow is the key to breaking any genjutsu, except for IT. All genjutsu is broken by interrupting the flow of the chakra. Itachi's Tsukuyomi is no exception. Unless you can provide a scan where its been casted on somebody like the calibar of Hashirama and Madara and Tobirama.. and they failed to get out of it.. you can't. Because Kishimoto picked those specific people who can't get out of the tsukuyomi. None of the people who were caught by Tsukuyomi are known for best chakra control.. or are on Hashirama's level.. So to claim its going to work on somebody like Hashirama.. you're gonna need more proof.

Now you're questioning, whether somebody like Hashirama who possesses chakra on par with Kurama himself, and can crack up the entire room and put pressure on people by simply raising his chakra can't break a genjutsu casted by a MS??

Lol you're arguing against Manga, and Databook facts. Go home, you're drunk.

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[Nardo]

It's been said in both the manga, and databook mate.
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And I'm guessing Temari can blow the universe away :|

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[Genyūmaru1]

Truth goes even further to show how broken Tsukuyomi is:

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[true enigma]

Hashi gets wrecked by the GOAT, Tsukuyomi ends this fodder U_U

 

[Genyūmaru1]

And I'm guessing Temari can blow the universe away :|

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Bruh. I said manga, and databook supported Tsukuyomi's claims.

If the manga doesn't support it, and it's obviously a hyperbole, than hyperbole is hyperbole. Doesn't take a genius to know what's plausible, and what isn't.

 

[Berkenstiel]

Tsukuyomi works like any other genjutsu, except the user has a stronger control over the opponent's chakra flow in the brain. Now why did Itachi say it can only be broken by Uchiha blood?? Because Sharingan is the easiest thing to break a genjutsu with. Reason being, the sharingan has a direct relation with the chakra in the brain (as explained by Tobirama), thus allowing the sharingan user to counter the genjutsu by making it easier to interrupt the irregular flow of the chakra in the brain, that was done by the opponent to cast the genjutsu.

Interrupting the chakra flow is the key to breaking any genjutsu, except for IT. All genjutsu is broken by interrupting the flow of the chakra. Itachi's Tsukuyomi is no exception. Unless you can provide a scan where its been casted on somebody like the calibar of Hashirama and Madara and Tobirama.. and they failed to get out of it.. you can't. Because Kishimoto picked those specific people who can't get out of the tsukuyomi. None of the people who were caught by Tsukuyomi are known for best chakra control.. or are on Hashirama's level.. So to claim its going to work on somebody like Hashirama.. you're gonna need more proof.

Now you're questioning, whether somebody like Hashirama who possesses chakra on par with Kurama himself, and can crack up the entire room and put pressure on people by simply raising his chakra can break a genjutsu casted by a MS or not??

Nice speculation and fanfiction

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Why can't you Hashirama fans, and Itachi haters just not understand that Tsukuyomi is broken, and Hashirama can't escape it. No ninja bar Uchiha can. it's rather simple.

Quit posting your fanfiction, and come to me with manga facts.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol you're arguing against Manga, and Databook facts. Go home, you're drunk.

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I'm not arguing against the manga sadly, since the process of how a genjutsu works, and how its broken comes from the manga, and tsukuyomi never being mentioned as an exception to it. I'm arguing against a translation of Databook 2 for a specific line in the databook, that was made from Itachi's statement, before Hashirama /Tobirama were even introduced at full power.

You really have no logical answer as to why it would work on Hashirama or even Tobirama.. you merely rely on a outdated databook.. and a mere statement made by a character, who had never even faced somebody like Hashirama.. or anyone with perfect chakra control.

So the question is, are you drunk??

 

[Genyūmaru1]

I'm not arguing against the manga sadly, since the process of how a genjutsu works, and how its broken comes from the manga, and tsukuyomi never being mentioned as an exception to it. I'm arguing against a translation of Databook 2 for a specific line in the databook, that was made from Itachi's statement, before Hashirama /Tobirama were even introduced at full power.

You really have no logical answer as to why it would work on Hashirama or even Tobirama.. you merely rely on a outdated databook.. and a mere statement made by a character, who had never even faced somebody like Hashirama.. or anyone with perfect chakra control.

So the question is, are you drunk??

Lol what. Are you a fool or just stubborn as hell? Your precious Hashirama loses to Itachi.

Manga states Tsukuyomi's only weakness is Uchiha Blood. Databook, further proves this. Accept it, it's not hard bruh. Bring some manga panels to the table on how Hashirama breaks Tsukuyomi without the required stipulations.

 

[Simbv]

I'm not arguing against the manga sadly, since the process of how a genjutsu works, and how its broken comes from the manga, and tsukuyomi never being mentioned as an exception to it. I'm arguing against a translation of Databook 2 for a specific line in the databook, that was made from Itachi's statement, before Hashirama /Tobirama were even introduced at full power.

You really have no logical answer as to why it would work on Hashirama or even Tobirama.. you merely rely on a outdated databook.. and a mere statement made by a character, who had never even faced somebody like Hashirama.. or anyone with perfect chakra control.

So the question is, are you drunk??

Must be, he wasn't sure on how Hashirama loses to Itachi so he made a thread looking for validation and help to support his claim. (See my signature)


I'm not even going to entertain if he can break out of it simply because he has Sage Mode and that enough can counter Tsukiyomi.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

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Only someone with kekkei genkei (blood line - the Uchiha blood line), and Sharingan can break Tsukuyomi.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Must be, he wasn't sure on how Hashirama loses to Itachi so he made a thread looking for validation and help to support his claim.


I'm not even going to entertain if he can break out of it simply because he has Sage Mode.

Feel free to post manga scans bruh. Tsukuyomi > Hashirama. That's all there is to it.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol what. Are you a fool or just stubborn as hell? Your precious Hashirama loses to Itachi.

Manga states Tsukuyomi's only weakness is Uchiha Blood. Databook, further proves this. Accept it, it's not hard bruh. Bring some manga panels to the table on how Hashirama breaks Tsukuyomi without the required stipulations.

No clue how its "my precious Hashirama".. its a mere fictional character, who is stronger than the fictional character you seem to be defending without any solid proof.

Manga does not state Tsukuyomi's weakness is the sharingan. Manga shows Itachi making the statement of his tsukyuomi only being able to be broken by somebody who possesses the sharingan, and as I said it comes from 2 things: Hes never faced those with perfect chakra control or those on calibur of Hashirama/Tobirama in chakra prowess. And the fact sharingan provides the easiest way to counter genjutsu.



So I need to explain to you how genjutsu works, and the ways genjutsu can be broken again.. and why sharingan provides the easiest way to break a genjutsu.. again??

But you still haven't shown me a scan of where Itachi casts Tsukuyomi on those with perfected chakra control.. or those who are on Tobirama or Hashirama's level of chakra prowess.

 

[Nardo]

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Only someone with kekkei genkei (blood line - the Uchiha blood line), and Sharingan can break Tsukuyomi.

He honestly most likely said that to let Sasuke think he was the only one who could defeat him.

 

[Simbv]

Feel free to post manga scans bruh. Tsukuyomi > Hashirama. That's all there is to it.

He uses Sage mode and doesn't require eye contact to fight. He's been fighting Uchiha all his life.

The fact that you made this thread shows me how unsure you were/are.

 

[Berkenstiel]

I'm not even going to entertain if he can break out of it simply because he has Sage Mode and that enough can counter Tsukiyomi.

Tell me how SM counters tsukuyomi without fanfiction

He honestly most likely said that to let Sasuke think he was the only one who could defeat him.

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[Genyūmaru1]

He honestly most likely said that to let Sasuke think he was the only one who could defeat him.

Dude you're assuming. Show me PROOF.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

He uses Sage mode and doesn't require eye contact to fight. He's been fighting Uchiha all his life.

The fact that you made this thread shows me how unsure you were/are.

Show me proof of Hashirama fighting without eye contact with SM. Show me Hashirama not fighting eye to eye in his battles. Show me something bruhs.