Healthy Kimimaru VS Hebi Sasuke

[BLAZE]

More than likely he's trying to say they won't see the bones before they emerge but who knows.

considering its made up of chakra and sharingan can see chakra.yeah anyone with sharingan will be able to see bones coming out from underground

 

[Curse Mark]

considering its made up of chakra and sharingan can see chakra.yeah anyone with sharingan will be able to see bones coming out from underground

Just clarifying what he thought

 

[BLAZE]

Just clarifying what he thought

i see
sasuke did saw underground bombs while fighting diedara and itachi incoming dragon fireballs coming below so yeah i think sasuke will able to see the bombs here

 

[Simbv]

Sasuke isn't blitzing anyone here ,tell me when Sasuke can blitz someone with 4.5 in speed ,let alone having CM on top of this ,even Diedra evaded Sasuke 's shunshin blitz so...

Even though i agree with what your saying, i wouldn't bring Deidara up because he is superior to Kimi.

 

[Curse Mark]

Even though i agree with what your saying, i wouldn't bring Deidara up because he is superior to Kimi.

In terms of what?

 

[Simbv]

In terms of what?

Everything besides Taijutsu. We all know this.

 

[Claymantan]

Everything besides Taijutsu. We all know this.

...Durability?

 

[Simbv]

...Durability?

Fine, I'm not going to go in depth but we all know Deidara is more of a threat than Kimmimaro. Please spare me the sake of arguing.

 

[Claymantan]

Fine, I'm not going to go in depth but we all know Deidara is more of a threat than Kimmimaro. Please spare me the sake of arguing.

I wasn't trolling, I was genuinely wondering if there was something about Deidara I didn't know.

OT: I forgot about Chidori sword for some reason, so I'm switching to Hebi Sauce

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

To begin with .in base ,Kimmimaru has 4.5 in speed which makes him faster than any of akatsuki members except for itachi and Sasori .in base ,Kimmimaru has 5 in taijutsu which makes him better CQC material than any of Akatsuki members including Itachi who has 4.5 in taijutsu .add his CSM and bone KKG and he is certainly top tier CQC among akatsuki member even if we include helping weapons like sharingan,Hidan's scythe,Samehada ...etc

He obviously demolishes any version of Zetsu .he beats Hidan(w/ Intel) rather easily ,Konan (w/o prep) is similar to suigutsu ,despite being obviously inferior to Kimimaru , he probably can't kill her due to her paper mode ,but she can't beat him either so..
He can make a decent fight against Kakazu,Sasori and diedra ,He can Tank all Kakazu elemental attacks bar probably Gian , he can evade it though in CSM ,bone forest can destroy some of the Masks but the only problem is going through Kakazu's domu ,the only reason that makes Sasuke's chances against Kakazu better than Kimimaru's is Sasuke's elemental advantage over domu which Kimimaru doesn't have ,give Kimimaru's bones the same advantage and his chance in beating Kakazu would be better than Sasuke .
Diedra would beat Kimimaru with nothing short of C3 or C4 .
Against Sasori ,Kimimaru's taijutsu boosted with CM and his KKG is more than enough to beat Sasori's puppets army ,bone forest can do the job too .IS attacks isn't much of problem either , chiyu and early part 2 Sakura were evading it , Kimimaru in CSM can easily evade it ,w/ full Intel on Sasori's poison ,it can to either ways .
So yes ,he can fight w/ akatsuki ,it isn't my problem that you can't accept it .

Regarding speed:

Cool. You are bringing in a databook that is comparing part 1 characters with part 2. I don't think it was meant to be that way.

How is Kimimaro faster than Sasuke when a Lee, that wasn't even suppose to be outside of the hospital was keeping up with him? CS2 Sasuke with 3T Sharingan outsped KN1 who outsped KN0 who shat on 2 tomoe Sasuke who was as fast as healthy weightless Lee who is faster than unhealthy lee who was matching Kimimaro in speed? And this is not even bringing up Hebi Sasuke - where there is a huge power level difference between him and his part 1 counterpart.


If the battle goes CQC, which Sasuke can stall from with Chidori Variants, Fire Ball, and snakes, Sasuke will still have the upperhand with superior Kenjutsu (which he can channel lightning through), and 3T precognition that was keeping up with opponents faster than Kimi.

Kimimaro having a "supposed" better taijutsu that Sasuke at this point really doesn't mean anything. With 3T that was keeping up with an enemy much faster than Kimi, and Kenjutsu that sasuke can use to channel lightning with, Sasuke easily has the advantage in CQC. Also with the usage of snakes that was able to stop

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Sasuke definitely has the edge in CQC, especially considering the fact that these snakes can even use poison.

 

[NarutoX28]

To begin with .in base ,Kimmimaru has 4.5 in speed which makes him faster than any of akatsuki members except for itachi and Sasori .in base ,Kimmimaru has 5 in taijutsu which makes him better CQC material than any of Akatsuki members including Itachi who has 4.5 in taijutsu .add his CSM and bone KKG and he is certainly top tier CQC among akatsuki member even if we include helping weapons like sharingan,Hidan's scythe,Samehada ...etc

Sasuke also possesses a 4.5 in speed. The main difference is that Sasuke possesses a Sharingan, superior speed feats such as out-speeding another Kage level ninja with a 4.5 in speed multiple times, and possesses stronger chakra due to being an Indra Transmigrant which makes him faster overall.

Tsunade also possesses a 5 in Taijutsu, but that doesn't make her better than Itachi, not even close, not to mention that Kimimaro likely has a 5 in Taijutsu due to the way he uses his bones to supplement his Taijutsu, but he hasn't shown impressive evasion nor the ability to effectively counter-attack and create openings, so he certainly isn't as proficient in Taijutsu as you think he is. That's not even mentioning how Sharingan mitigates his Taijutsu advantage and the fact that Sasuke without his Sharingan outclassed Killer Bee in combat who could react to Minato's Hiraishin and Minato has shown both speed and reflexes above anything Kimimaro has done.

Even then, Kimimaro's Taijutsu is hindered significantly when he has to constantly avoid eye-contact or else he succumbs to Genjutsu and Sasuke has the advantage in mobility once both uses CS2 as CS2 Kimimaro is slower than CS Kimimaro.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke isn't blitzing anyone here ,tell me when Sasuke can blitz someone with 4.5 in speed ,let alone having CM on top of this ,even Diedra evaded Sasuke 's shunshin blitz so...

That data logic is shitty as ever and here's why.

1- Gated Gai(8th included) speed is a 5 in the databook meanwhile someone much slower than him such as Ei has a 5 as well should be assume there the same level of speed because of that nope.

2- Kid Lee was able to stand his ground with Kimmimaro speed wise and Hebi Sasuke is tiers above kid lee in speed.

3 Deidara speed feats shits on Kimmimaro simply based on the fact that he was able to defend off Team Gai in a taijutsu bout while missing an arm.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

To begin with .in base ,Kimmimaru has 4.5 in speed which makes him faster than any of akatsuki members except for itachi and Sasori .in base ,Kimmimaru has 5 in taijutsu which makes him better CQC material than any of Akatsuki members including Itachi who has 4.5 in taijutsu .add his CSM and bone KKG and he is certainly top tier CQC among akatsuki member even if we include helping weapons like sharingan,Hidan's scythe,Samehada ...etc

He obviously demolishes any version of Zetsu .he beats Hidan(w/ Intel) rather easily ,Konan (w/o prep) is similar to suigutsu ,despite being obviously inferior to Kimimaru , he probably can't kill her due to her paper mode ,but she can't beat him either so..
He can make a decent fight against Kakazu,Sasori and diedra ,He can Tank all Kakazu elemental attacks bar probably Gian , he can evade it though in CSM ,bone forest can destroy some of the Masks but the only problem is going through Kakazu's domu ,the only reason that makes Sasuke's chances against Kakazu better than Kimimaru's is Sasuke's elemental advantage over domu which Kimimaru doesn't have ,give Kimimaru's bones the same advantage and his chance in beating Kakazu would be better than Sasuke .
Diedra would beat Kimimaru with nothing short of C3 or C4 .
Against Sasori ,Kimimaru's taijutsu boosted with CM and his KKG is more than enough to beat Sasori's puppets army ,bone forest can do the job too .IS attacks isn't much of problem either , chiyu and early part 2 Sakura were evading it , Kimimaru in CSM can easily evade it ,w/ full Intel on Sasori's poison ,it can to either ways .
So yes ,he can fight w/ akatsuki ,it isn't my problem that you can't accept it .

The DB is flawed. I don't think Kimi is faster than Pain, who beat SM Naruto and Jiraiya, and kept up with 6tk Naruto. I don't think he is faster than Kisame who intercepted Gai.

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I don't think he is faster than Deidara who escaped Team Guy armless and gave Hebi Sasuke serious trouble. A fire and wind blast from Kakuzu annihilates Kimimaro. Kakuzu could just blitz him like he did with Kakashi in the beginning of the fight. Kakuzu's masks have the ability to fly so they can escape bone forest. If Sasori uses IS word order then it's GG for Kimi since the sand will certainly pierce him.
I agree, I don't see how Hidan can beat him unless Kimi has no intel.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Hebi Sasuke destroys this overrated character

 

[ToshiZO]

To begin with .in base ,Kimmimaru has 4.5 in speed which makes him faster than any of akatsuki members except for itachi and Sasori .in base ,Kimmimaru has 5 in taijutsu which makes him better CQC material than any of Akatsuki members including Itachi who has 4.5 in taijutsu .add his CSM and bone KKG and he is certainly top tier CQC among akatsuki member even if we include helping weapons like sharingan,Hidan's scythe,Samehada ...etc

He obviously demolishes any version of Zetsu .he beats Hidan(w/ Intel) rather easily ,Konan (w/o prep) is similar to suigutsu ,despite being obviously inferior to Kimimaru , he probably can't kill her due to her paper mode ,but she can't beat him either so..
He can make a decent fight against Kakazu,Sasori and diedra ,He can Tank all Kakazu elemental attacks bar probably Gian , he can evade it though in CSM ,bone forest can destroy some of the Masks but the only problem is going through Kakazu's domu ,the only reason that makes Sasuke's chances against Kakazu better than Kimimaru's is Sasuke's elemental advantage over domu which Kimimaru doesn't have ,give Kimimaru's bones the same advantage and his chance in beating Kakazu would be better than Sasuke .
Diedra would beat Kimimaru with nothing short of C3 or C4 .
Against Sasori ,Kimimaru's taijutsu boosted with CM and his KKG is more than enough to beat Sasori's puppets army ,bone forest can do the job too .IS attacks isn't much of problem either , chiyu and early part 2 Sakura were evading it , Kimimaru in CSM can easily evade it ,w/ full Intel on Sasori's poison ,it can to either ways .
So yes ,he can fight w/ akatsuki ,it isn't my problem that you can't accept it .

He only beats Zetsu and maybe Konan.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Regarding speed:

Kimimaro having a "supposed" better taijutsu that Sasuke at this point really doesn't mean anything. With 3T that was keeping up with an enemy much faster than Kimi, and Kenjutsu that sasuke can use to channel lightning with, Sasuke easily has the advantage in CQC. Also with the usage of snakes that was able to stop

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Sasuke definitely has the edge in CQC, especially considering the fact that these snakes can even use poison.

Base Lee never kept up with Kimimaru in taijutsu ,he was trying hard to hit Kimimaru but Kimimaru was evading him effortlessly ,he was only able to hit him when he went drunk mode and that is because his movements became completely unpredictable .and please don't bring" Lee wasn't supposed to be out of hospital" 's logic because I can go this way too and say Kimimaru wasn't supposed to be alive and he was only moving with orochimaru's will and medicines .
Base part 1 Lee has 3.5 in taijutsu while Kimimaru has 5 in the same version of data book so it is obvious that Kimimaru would smash him in serious Taijutsu fight (without Lee being drunck)
Then it is either DB states about kimmimaru's taijutsu is not accurate and then I 'd drop this whole point or drunk mode Lee is just too good at taijutsu but anyway I agree that Sasuke with sharingan obviously better CQC fighter with manga feats and he will likely win .
I don't agree with manda being much of threat here ,its attacks can't kill kimmimaru and bone forest can probably finish him ,at worst cases manda would swallow kimmimaru and then kimi would kill him from inside out .
While I agree that Sasuke's usage of snakes in CQC can be useful but kimmimaru's usage of bones can also be very dangerous in CQC but sasuke wins overall so no need to argue more .

Sasuke also possesses a 4.5 in speed. The main difference is that Sasuke possesses a Sharingan, superior speed feats such as out-speeding another Kage level ninja with a 4.5 in speed multiple times, and possesses stronger chakra due to being an Indra Transmigrant which makes him faster overall.

Tsunade also possesses a 5 in Taijutsu, but that doesn't make her better than Itachi, not even close, not to mention that Kimimaro likely has a 5 in Taijutsu due to the way he uses his bones to supplement his Taijutsu, but he hasn't shown impressive evasion nor the ability to effectively counter-attack and create openings, so he certainly isn't as proficient in Taijutsu as you think he is. That's not even mentioning how Sharingan mitigates his Taijutsu advantage and the fact that Sasuke without his Sharingan outclassed Killer Bee in combat who could react to Minato's Hiraishin and Minato has shown both speed and reflexes above anything Kimimaro has done.

Even then, Kimimaro's Taijutsu is hindered significantly when he has to constantly avoid eye-contact or else he succumbs to Genjutsu and Sasuke has the advantage in mobility once both uses CS2 as CS2 Kimimaro is slower than CS Kimimaro.

I never said kimmimaru is as fast as Sasuke or faster ,Sasuke is obviously faster when it comes shunshin speed .

I think DB stats rank character base forms ,so yeah Tusonade can probably be better than Sharingan-less Itachi taijutsu wise .same can be said about bone KKG being included in kimmimaru's taijutsu rank .DB stats about kimi's taijutsu is quite inaccurate so yeah Sasuke definitely wins overall though I disagree with the way you try to interpret Sasuke's kenjutsu feats against Bee by using his reactions feats but no need to argue about this .

I restricted Genjutsu .

Where it was stated that CSM2 kimmimaru is slower than CSM1 Kimmimaru ??

1- Gated Gai(8th included) speed is a 5 in the databook meanwhile someone much slower than him such as Ei has a 5 as well should be assume there the same level of speed because of that nope.

2- Kid Lee was able to stand his ground with Kimmimaro speed wise and Hebi Sasuke is tiers above kid lee in speed.

3 Deidara speed feats shits on Kimmimaro simply based on the fact that he was able to defend off Team Gai in a taijutsu bout while missing an arm

I agree ,I shouldn't have brought diedra to this .he is certainly faster than kimmiaru .but my point was ,sasuke's best blitzing feats were against someone with 3.5 in speed while Kimmimaru has 4.5 in speed .DB stats wise ,Sasuke can't blitz kimmimaru .
I thought DB stats rank base forms ,meaning Gates and lightening armor aren't included .there is no Stats for Ay anyway .no to mention that having the same Stats in a certain category doesn't necessarily means equality .there could be little gaps .
As for Lee part ,read my reply to Anonymousshinobi .

The DB is flawed. I don't think Kimi is faster than Pain, who beat SM Naruto and Jiraiya, and kept up with 6tk Naruto. I don't think he is faster than Kisame who intercepted Gai.

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I don't think he is faster than Deidara who escaped Team Guy armless and gave Hebi Sasuke serious trouble. A fire and wind blast from Kakuzu annihilates Kimimaro. Kakuzu could just blitz him like he did with Kakashi in the beginning of the fight. Kakuzu's masks have the ability to fly so they can escape bone forest. If Sasori uses IS word order then it's GG for Kimi since the sand will certainly pierce him.
I agree, I don't see how Hidan can beat him unless Kimi has no intel.

You are right ,Kimmimaru's speed isn't any special compared to the majority of Akatsuki members by feats .

He only beats Zetsu and maybe Konan.

Probably hidan w/ Intel.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I agree ,I shouldn't have brought diedra to this .he is certainly faster than kimmiaru .but my point was ,sasuke's best blitzing feats were against someone with 3.5 in speed while Kimmimaru has 4.5 in speed .DB stats wise ,Sasuke can't blitz kimmimaru .
I thought DB stats rank base forms ,meaning Gates and lightening armor aren't included .there is no Stats for Ay anyway .no to mention that having the same Stats in a certain category doesn't necessarily means equality .there could be little gaps .
As for Lee part ,read my reply to Anonymousshinobi .

Actually Lee did do more than keep up considering he was able to dodge Kimmimaro attacks as well so it wasn't just a 1 way streak. Hebi Sasuke would easily allow him to land hits on Kimmimaro.

 

[Curse Mark]

Actually Lee did do more than keep up considering he was able to dodge Kimmimaro attacks as well so it wasn't just a 1 way streak. Hebi Sasuke would easily allow him to land hits on Kimmimaro.

Lee would have gotten murdered foh

 

[Unorthodox]

Kimmi DB speed is part 1 power scaling 4.5 in naruto does not = 4.5 in shippuden also the db has kimmi with a genjutsu stat he has 0 genjutsu feats.

 

[shelke]

Why are people bringing in that Deidara body flicker dodge when Obito used Intangibility for it? Sasuke was aiming for the kill then? I didn't know that. What are Kimimaru's speed feats? Hebi Sasuke has dodged C1 and C2's shockwaves with ease. You people think Kimimaru will pose a problem when C2 shockwaves are above mach 20?

I swear it, this forum underrates the hell out of Sasuke. He takes this low diff. He's not matching a guy's speed who made successive shockwave explosions' evasions look like cavewalk.