SRA Neji VS Sakon/Ukon

[Curse Mark]

True but paper bombs , traps , etc wont work or be much of a factor with neji's byakugan , kido was the most suited for that job because of his style while sakon/ukons ability skill fits heavily more towards the cqc type and if neji gets to blasts them away with kaiten it gives him a clear opening for the kill.

-We cant really take physical feats like that all too serious tho because we have akamaru surviving a direct punch from cm2 ukon while heavily weakened after twin lion and in puppy stage along with kiba taking multiple punches/hits . Then we have neji bein unfazed after getting fell on by kidos giant spider along with him palming kidomaru through a tree with gentle fist , him directly clashing with kyubi amped naruto ina physical clash , then we hav him regularly kickin lees ass who casually rips out giant roots out the ground , etc......

We can't really use Lee VS Neji's off screen fights we dont know what happened there but I'm just saying paper bombs etc. are totally going to wear neji down.

 

[neosmith500]

We can't really use Lee VS Neji's off screen fights we dont know what happened there but I'm just saying paper bombs etc. are totally going to wear neji down.

Fine , but him clashing wid CE Kyubi amped naruto who should be >>>> forest of death red eyes naruto in physical strength who is over base Lee in strength who casualy plucks giant roots easily cements the notion anyway.

Yea , paper bombs will creat conflict/drama but in the end would cause no serious worry or harm to neji , sakon would need more precise means to worry neji like kido who also had paper bombs.

Also remember even sakura tanked a close blast from a paper bomb and neji always has his chakra-shield / kaiten and speed to rely on along with us never seeing sakon spam paper bombs so its not really a big deal and traps are non factor.

 

[Curse Mark]

Fine , but him clashing wid CE Kyubi amped naruto who should be >>>> forest of death red eyes naruto in physical strength who is over base Lee in strength who casualy plucks giant roots easily cements the notion anyway.

Yea , paper bombs will creat conflict/drama but in the end would cause no serious worry or harm to neji , sakon would need more precise means to worry neji like kido who also had paper bombs.

Also remember even sakura tanked a close blast from a paper bomb and neji always has his chakra-shield / kaiten and speed to rely on along with us never seeing sakon spam paper bombs so its not really a big deal and traps are non factor.

Exactly dude like I said he would have to be actively using chakra for rotation to stop them. Neji uses kaiten against shuriken and kunai so he's definitely gonna use it against paper bombs.
Also he has triple paperbombs which Neji in canon didn't react to and barely escaped from.

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Look at the size of that explosion. That's going to either
a. Keep Neji rotating a long time
or
b. Keep neji running around and using a lot of stamina which would also deplete his reserves.

 

[neosmith500]

Exactly dude like I said he would have to be actively using chakra for rotation to stop them. Neji uses kaiten against shuriken and kunai so he's definitely gonna use it against paper bombs.
Also he has triple paperbombs which Neji in canon didn't react to and barely escaped from.


Look at the size of that explosion. That's going to either
a. Keep Neji rotating a long time
or
b. Keep neji running around and using a lot of stamina which would also deplete his reserves.

Reasons like this is why ten ten shoulve been op as FCK if used right.

The only reason neji/shika barely reacted was due to them not knowing that kidomaru had already alerted the team to their presense long before arrival , remember they literally crouched over to that area thinking the s4 were resting and unaware of them , they then used the chance to try and gain Intel on sasuks status "inside " the box by focusing on it w/byakugan, sakon used this interval to catch the crouched neji/shika off-quard which makes it kinda moot.
In a 1 Vs 1 scenario that won't happen so easily with neji's speed and awareness.

 

[Curse Mark]

Reasons like this is why ten ten shoulve been op as FCK if used right.

The only reason neji/shika barely reacted was due to them not knowing that kidomaru had already alerted the team to their presense long before arrival , remember they literally crouched over to that area thinking the s4 were resting and unaware of them , they then used the chance to try and gain Intel on sasuks status "inside " the box by focusing on it w/byakugan, sakon used this interval to catch the crouched neji/shika off-quard which makes it kinda moot.
In a 1 Vs 1 scenario that won't happen so easily with neji's speed and awareness.

Bold: I know that.

However this point is still true.

Look at the size of that explosion. That's going to either
a. Keep Neji rotating a long time
or
b. Keep neji running around and using a lot of stamina which would also deplete his reserves.

 

[Draegod]

Bold: I know that.

However this point is still true.

Look at the size of that explosion. That's going to either
a. Keep Neji rotating a long time
or
b. Keep neji running around and using a lot of stamina which would also deplete his reserves.

Or he can make his chakra redirect it to not target his location every time while yawning.

 

[Curse Mark]

Or he can make his chakra redirect it to not target his location every time while yawning.

He'd be safer using rotation don't you agree? His chakra shroud that he used against the arrows only changes the trajectory by mere inches.

So let's say he changes it by inches and it misses but lands next to him, that 3 bomb explosion was enough to take him out if it hits next to him.

 

[Draegod]

He'd be safer using rotation don't you agree? His chakra shroud that he used against the arrows only changes the trajectory by mere inches.

So let's say he changes it by inches and it misses but lands next to him, that 3 bomb explosion was enough to take him out if it hits next to him.

Incorrect! The super fast Arrow he could barely move was moving faster then the speed of sound with enough power and force behind it to level multiple trees in a instant! No Runai in the show compares to Kido's 100% Arrows in the slightest! If he was able to change the tragectory of that powerful arrow then a basic kunai gets grown right back at Sakon no difficulty with Pure chakra alone! The kunai would never be with in 5 meters of neji.


Add the fact he can move as well with the aid of his chakra throwing the Kunai in an opposite direction means the kunai trick is as good as a failure.

 

[Simbv]

Don't see why it wouldn't. They heavily depended on Kibas nose, despite Hinata being on the squad when searching for Sasuke.

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Edit: Kiba found Tobi faster then Hinata did.

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You seem to forget that Kiba and the other nin-dogs already had a beginning scent to track Sasuke with. If they started out sniffing blindly they would have fared no better than Hinata.

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If Kiba or ninja dogs already have a scent to go by of course they are going to be better at tracking no doubt.
But in terms of insight? That's a bold claim to say that Kiba's nose is greater than the Byakugan.

Very true , but we can also deduce that the merger requires chakra build-up within the body correct? and do they have to de-fuse before mergin with a host? , since we already know that they need cm2 in order to merg with a separate host and since neji has full intel the moment he senses chakra activity or sees irregular movement within sakon/ukon he would assume that they're attempting to merg which would cause him to not be jumpy and risk contact.

From then on its possible that neji would deduce that catching sakon/ukon offguard then killing them would be his best , neji can then engage in cqc with them , use his high tier reflexes plus already prepped chakra wall to time , usin his byakugan to see activity followed by the moment they try to initiate physical contact then time his kaiten which would blast them away followed neji dashing to them and killing them.

But that's assuming that they're sharing the same body in the first place , while separate it becomes harder for neji but still possible to win only with tweaked tactics.

great thread tho , im loving it .. lets just keep it civil and progressive.

I have been trying to argue with the man about the same things you are currently arguing with him about. But, alas i put my faith in you to continue the argument and try to persuade him otherwise.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

You seem to forget that Kiba and the other nin-dogs already had a beginning scent to track Sasuke with. If they started out sniffing blindly they would have fared no better than Hinata.

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If Kiba or ninja dogs already have a scent to go by of course they are going to be better at tracking no doubt.
But in terms of insight? That's a bold claim to say that Kiba's nose is greater than the Byakugan.

That is long distance tracking. I was talking about in battle. Back in part one, Kiba found Jirobo faster then Neji's Byakugan. In part two, Kiba found Tobi faster than Hinata's Byakugan. In terms of locating someones whereabouts, Kiba's sense of smell is better than the Byakugan, as shown in the manga.

 

[Simbv]

That is long distance tracking. I was talking about in battle. Back in part one, Kiba found Jirobo faster then Neji's Byakugan. In part two, Kiba found Tobi faster than Hinata's Byakugan. In terms of locating someones whereabouts, Kiba's sense of smell is better than the Byakugan, as shown in the manga.

I don't agree. My case rests with the claim that Neosmith made regarding the fact about Jiroubu. For instance, Hinata has been shown to focus her Byakugan to look several Kilometers ahead, by doing so i doubt she still has that ability of 360 degrees vision. As for that second scan, we don't that Kiba finds Tobi before hinata. All we see is that Kiba is the first to attack(both in Anime and Manga). So i respectfully disagree with you.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I don't agree. My case rests with the claim that Neosmith made regarding the fact about Jiroubu. For instance, Hinata has been shown to focus her Byakugan to look several Kilometers ahead, by doing so i doubt she still has that ability of 360 degrees vision. As for that second scan, we don't that Kiba finds Tobi before hinata. All we see is that Kiba is the first to attack(both in Anime and Manga). So i respectfully disagree with you.

Your theory is not manga supported. Neji had 360 degree vision up to 800 meters, which is almost a kilometer.

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There is no reason to believe that in the case with Jirobo, Neji couldn't see 360 degrees within a close proximity. Kiba simply found Jirobo faster. In part two, Kiba specifically said that you can't hide from my nose, and was in the midst of attacking. That implies he found Tobi faster then Hinata, but whatever.

 

[Simbv]

Your theory is not manga supported. Neji had 360 degree vision up to 800 meters, which is almost a kilometer.

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There is no reason to believe that in the case with Jirobo, Neji couldn't see 360 degrees within a close proximity. Kiba simply found Jirobo faster. In part two, Kiba specifically said that you can't hide from my nose, and was in the midst of attacking. That implies he found Tobi faster then Hinata, but whatever.

O it is very much manga supported. I'm having trouble finding the scan.

 

[neosmith500]

Your theory is not manga supported. Neji had 360 degree vision up to 800 meters, which is almost a kilometer.

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There is no reason to believe that in the case with Jirobo, Neji couldn't see 360 degrees within a close proximity. Kiba simply found Jirobo faster. In part two, Kiba specifically said that you can't hide from my nose, and was in the midst of attacking. That implies he found Tobi faster then Hinata, but whatever.

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The jirobo scan literally shows nejis view being "focused " on the area jirobo was last present , u can clearly see the point of view along with him seein through the smoke with the rocks where he dugged underground being clearly visible , his vision was focused on that area.

Jirobo was directly behind them , how do u explain neji seeing 360° yet somehow missed a fat wrestler standing directly behind him? And how do u explain kiba detecting him faster when he'd have to sniff the scent while neji would only need to see jirobo?

But whatever , u obviously can't be proven wrong against so called delusional fanboys and ur above scan with p2 neji expanding his vision to locate the tags only further cements my claims while urs are literally baseless.


Obviously the byakugan doesn't actively see in 360° and long range vision at all times the many a clearly illustrates this on numerous occasions.

 

[Simbv]

Obviously the byakugan doesn't actively see in 360° and long range vision at all times the many a clearly illustrates this on numerous occasions.

Like i said before, i agree.

Your theory is not manga supported. Neji had 360 degree vision up to 800 meters, which is almost a kilometer.

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There is no reason to believe that in the case with Jirobo, Neji couldn't see 360 degrees within a close proximity. Kiba simply found Jirobo faster. In part two, Kiba specifically said that you can't hide from my nose, and was in the midst of attacking. That implies he found Tobi faster then Hinata, but whatever.

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by focusing her vision in a single direction, Hinata can see across vast distances, reaching as far away as 20 kilometres

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Kakashi tells Hinata to look in a certain direction, she activates Byakugan and does so, not in all directions, that single direction.
If this doesn't prove my case or atleast challenge your claim. Then you sir have an obvious bias going on.

 

[Draegod]

That is long distance tracking. I was talking about in battle. Back in part one, Kiba found Jirobo faster then Neji's Byakugan. In part two, Kiba found Tobi faster than Hinata's Byakugan. In terms of locating someones whereabouts, Kiba's sense of smell is better than the Byakugan, as shown in the manga.

lol No. NEJI'S BYAKUGAN IN PART 2 Found 5 hand sized tags all at once with on 500 meters of each other.

Hiashi's Byakugan Tracked something that was moving faster than anything ever shown in th emanga bar "Night Guy/dragon"

It all depends on the user and there level. And the feats of neji and Hiashi Joinin far exceed anything Kiba has ever shown.

 

[The Arizen]

The jirobo scan literally shows nejis view being "focused " on the area jirobo was last present , u can clearly see the point of view along with him seein through the smoke with the rocks where he dugged underground being clearly visible .

He must of missed that part of the scan due to kiba's presense bein more pivotal to his claims , typical bias know it all.

 

[Simbv]

He must of missed that part of the scan due to kiba's presense bein more pivotal to his claims , typical bias know it all.

Well now there are 2 scans that prove his claim false.

His claim that Kibas nose is greater than Byakugan has already been proven false by both me and Neo. And I have just proven that Byakugan has instances where they can concentrate on one point and not be able to see 360 degrees at all times.

 

[Curse Mark]

Incorrect! The super fast Arrow he could barely move was moving faster then the speed of sound with enough power and force behind it to level multiple trees in a instant! No Runai in the show compares to Kido's 100% Arrows in the slightest! If he was able to change the tragectory of that powerful arrow then a basic kunai gets grown right back at Sakon no difficulty with Pure chakra alone! The kunai would never be with in 5 meters of neji.


Add the fact he can move as well with the aid of his chakra throwing the Kunai in an opposite direction means the kunai trick is as good as a failure.

I agree that obviously the arrow was faster and more powerful but Neji's chakra has never shown the ability to "throw things"

And okay, you do realize how much chakra he needs to use to be surrounded by it like that?

 

[Draegod]

I agree that obviously the arrow was faster and more powerful but Neji's chakra has never shown the ability to "throw things"

And okay, you do realize how much chakra he needs to use to be surrounded by it like that?

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and that was just a small portion that was childs play. Ommiting the large area of chakra was taxing because he was fataly injured and he previously already used a shit load of chakra previously. Chakra and stamnina goes hand and hand, and if you have a huge hole in your body your stamina will suffer.

Besides, who said it has to be up 24/7? Omiting that large area of chakra is nigh instant as seen with Rotation's range. He can use the chakra field for a second then turn it off every single time. He kept it up with Kido because he had no idea where or when the attack would strike.