" stfu! one punch man is not overrated bruh, your just dbz or naruto lover!" <- lol
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Re: " stfu! one punch man is not overrated bruh, your just dbz or naruto lover!" <- l
Argument for what Reborn?
I read a few chapters back in early 2012 since Caliburn told how funny this spoof was. ( back when it was not this cool to read it and he was the only one I saw mentioning it...) it's one of the series that I dropped midway..not that I didn't like it but just not the type that made me curious enough about the plot to go back to it. I think I have many popular ones on the list that way.. I don't think those series are bad. I read them for sometime and then just forget about the next chapter..they didn't stay in mind long enough to make me curious enough to go back to it. But for Gara and then Itachi I might have dropped Naruto too. Then I noticed the mythological aspect and got hooked to that and then just wanted to see the end. Point being there has to be something that interest the person reading/watching a book/show to keep doing it and care enough to talk about it.
Instead of jumping at each other for not liking a series or not being in to it people need to realize the story elements that are interesting to them, maybe not half as interesting to others.
@OP:Same goes for you OP: Whoever owns that site has a right to choose the name for it and change it when they want and see fit. It maybe because it suits them more, it maybe because they like the series and it's ongoing and so on. It has nothing to do with how Naruto as a series was or how OPM is in your personal opinion. It may work for them and if they want to make community centered around One-Punchman it's a good way to go about it.
Argument for what Reborn?
I read a few chapters back in early 2012 since Caliburn told how funny this spoof was. ( back when it was not this cool to read it and he was the only one I saw mentioning it...) it's one of the series that I dropped midway..not that I didn't like it but just not the type that made me curious enough about the plot to go back to it. I think I have many popular ones on the list that way.. I don't think those series are bad. I read them for sometime and then just forget about the next chapter..they didn't stay in mind long enough to make me curious enough to go back to it. But for Gara and then Itachi I might have dropped Naruto too. Then I noticed the mythological aspect and got hooked to that and then just wanted to see the end. Point being there has to be something that interest the person reading/watching a book/show to keep doing it and care enough to talk about it.
Instead of jumping at each other for not liking a series or not being in to it people need to realize the story elements that are interesting to them, maybe not half as interesting to others.
@OP:Same goes for you OP: Whoever owns that site has a right to choose the name for it and change it when they want and see fit. It maybe because it suits them more, it maybe because they like the series and it's ongoing and so on. It has nothing to do with how Naruto as a series was or how OPM is in your personal opinion. It may work for them and if they want to make community centered around One-Punchman it's a good way to go about it.
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LoZelda101
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Re: " stfu! one punch man is not overrated bruh, your just dbz or naruto lover!" <- l
honestly, i'm trying to figure out where this hype is coming from, i honestly don't even think it's the series itself i think it's just saitama's logo of one shotting anything. what more power can it feel to support someone that can solo anything, even the infamous superman, someone that not even the great son goku could accomplish? (obviously not true but it's the internet fad right now)
as for the other website changing their name. i don't know, i suppose you're right it's up to owner to change it. but to me if it were this site to change it's name from narutobase to suddenly attack on titan.com or something (example) it seems disrespectful. imo
lol the mod is clearly just butthurt, i'm sure i'm on their pending blacklist now lol but it was worth it for this. anyways from naruto to one piece and even fairytail i've read legit defense for their series. but with OPM, for some reason no matter who it is or where it's from, they give me no legit response, it's always and i mean always the reach around cop out excuse. "comedy not suppose to be taken seriously". not saying you're wrong cause you're 100% right, but considering the ridiculous hype this series is getting and label it like it's better than most of the mainstreams animes i better damn right hear some good ground reasons as to why that is regardless if i like it or not and honestly the excuses they're giving me honestly makes it even worst like they're preparing me to watch michael bay's transformers, literally word for word. so I would honestly like to hear this guy's "proper response" cause so far the series just seem to be eye candy and nothing more. (ironic considering my pic, but i'm not bragging about FT's quality)
the action: it's predictable. you know how it's going to go majority through the series. basically saitama: block block block block, dodge dodge, do nothing do nothing do nothing do nothing but tank then deliver the half assed punch?
the humor: honestly it's about the same lvl as dragon ball, it's nothing that special and i'm not a picky guy.
the plot: honestly the only real question is why saitama is so powerful. that's about it
the supportive role: it's even worst than shippuden and genos is basically sasuke. ie: get his ass kicked then proceed to get stronger
the humor: honestly it's about the same lvl as dragon ball, it's nothing that special and i'm not a picky guy.
the plot: honestly the only real question is why saitama is so powerful. that's about it
the supportive role: it's even worst than shippuden and genos is basically sasuke. ie: get his ass kicked then proceed to get stronger
honestly, i'm trying to figure out where this hype is coming from, i honestly don't even think it's the series itself i think it's just saitama's logo of one shotting anything. what more power can it feel to support someone that can solo anything, even the infamous superman, someone that not even the great son goku could accomplish? (obviously not true but it's the internet fad right now)
as for the other website changing their name. i don't know, i suppose you're right it's up to owner to change it. but to me if it were this site to change it's name from narutobase to suddenly attack on titan.com or something (example) it seems disrespectful. imo
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Re: " stfu! one punch man is not overrated bruh, your just dbz or naruto lover!" <- l
That was uncalled for and ignorant. He reads and watches a lot of Naruto and has been quite active in NDS itself for much longer than you have any idea and is a good debater. He just didn't like your shallow dismissal of OPM.
Where did that facepalm emote go...
That was uncalled for and ignorant. He reads and watches a lot of Naruto and has been quite active in NDS itself for much longer than you have any idea and is a good debater. He just didn't like your shallow dismissal of OPM.
I get it- it was not your cup of tea. 'Doesn't make it bad. It has awesome art going for it and I have heard that recently the story line has gotten better. Whether it can make it big enough to be compared to Naruto's success or not is yet to be seen.
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Don't compare the two unless OPM goes past 500 chapters and lasts for a decade on tv
Don't compare the two unless OPM goes past 500 chapters and lasts for a decade on tv
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These anime allegence communities hype and disparage against anime generally because they see and feel the the good and the bad in series. The difference is in their ability to intellectually articulate these observations without falling into the complete and utter fanboyism (pardon the gender bias wording but this is regarding two shonen genre shows). You have trolls who don't care or love to bait people with short and inflammatory bullshit and you can't always help that. However I believe that most who falls into one side or another with these situations is, for the most part, analytically aware of both sides to a degree. I am one at least, I've followed and still currently follow Naruto almost religiously. I also have watched and am now currently reading One Punch Man as well. I look on the two as follows; Naruto is a fallen angel and One Punch Man is a Greek-like god or demi-god on the rise. The latter is not all powerful for it has the potential to fall into the same trap as Naruto.
What went right with Naruto went right for a fairly substantial amount of time through to a point in Shippuden where I feel the sheer degeneration of the series began. The world that was created for Naruto was very rich and involved. It was almost a pseudo-period piece with the way it used Japanese feudal systems like Daimyou, and shinobi. It spun the idea of shinobi completely though and made it it's own. It kept the facets of the "mystical" powers through flashy jutsu, and the depth of their creeds through "rules", the Anbu, and what makes an "ideal shinobi". We were given a descent backstory and build up of the world with a power scaling and general expectations that we could look forward peaking and then gracefully ending. Naruto came in as a small bundle of general expectations and grew larger and larger. At some point we found a foundation firmly established and we went on expecting that foundation to remain solid.
It fell apart. SOOO many inconsistencies arose and sooo many redundancies tripped over itself within Shippuden. I'll stick to what the canon did for right now. One of the biggest inconsistencies or shots to the foot was the idea of destiny. I'll use this one example for now. Neji vs. Naruto pre-shippuden chuunin exams. The premise was teaching Neji that destiny was a load of bull. You are responsible for yourself not some Lutheran predestination mess. End result? The loser defeats the genius. Fast forward to Shippuden around Pein's arc. The chosen one who is destined to bring great peace or great destruction to the world. The "Boy of prophecy". Let's be real here, you always have some "chosen one" plot point in shows like these but the fact they gave the opposite lesson on it early in the series is a shot in your own foot. This is further elaborated on when we get into the inheritors of the Asura and Indra's chakra and what not. There are other issues such as the perverted power scaling that moved Naruto from being about Ninjas to being quasi-DBZ. You mention how it's 'not as predictable as OPM' I'd argue against this and say everything is foreseeable if you follow common tropes in other anime like this. For example, I've seen threads and have made bets with people about which people are going to die in the war...because it's a war and you always have people important die in large wars. One Punch man being cards on the table is intentional because the factor of enjoyment is different from Naruto.
One punch man is, one punch man. What is different between the world and plot and premise of this show vs. Naruto? Yes the cards are all out on the table but that's because this parody, this obvious parody tells you point blank what to expect and you thus are going to watch it (if you're going to watch it) because you know what to expect and thus get enjoyment out of the other factors that make it. One Punch Man doesn't have as complex of a world as Naruto, it is very linear. You have a hero who has the power to literally defeat anybody in one punch and he is always able to get to you to punch you no matter what you throw at him. But he is so unbelievably OP, so ridiculous even for his own world's standards, nobody believes this and thus he's seen as nothing more than a cheat. What is the enemy here in one punch man? The enemy is something he cannot punch, the acceptance from others that he is the unquestionable best or at least better than the lowest of the low.
Two different factors of enjoyment, two different plots. The aspect of their content that I'm comparing is the consistency. Naruto has lasted so long, grew so big, developed soo much that it tripped over itself. You gave praise to the development but the development severely diminished in quality as it veered away from the general foundation it established. One Punch Man, however, has remained consistent. The best possible argument I can see for this is the factor of time. As long as Naruto ran it was bound to end up the way it did, some would argue. One punchman could fall into this same trap. The fault is that it didn't know when to end, or rather the author progressed for too long.
Lets' talk animation for a moment here. Even for Naruto's time period, its animation was average at best in the most general sense. With the exceptions of small sections which have great animations for a few frames where you can just tell the money for that episode was just blown on those scenes, Naruto's animation was nothing you looked at twice. One Punch Man, one word, Madhouse. This studio is royalty when it comes to their sheer quality of animation no matter where you are. I will make this clear, I'm not going to compare 1999 animation to 2015 animation...but I'm going to compare time period quality and I'm going to compare 2015 Naruto to 2015 One Punch. 2015 Naruto doesn't hold a candle to 2015 One Punch Man. In OP you get semblances of the original animation style from the author "One" only for the sake of comedy and origin. Almost every scene from One Punch Man provide a level of detail and quality that would cause you to ask "who are they sleeping with to get so much money for this?" Aesthetically Naruto has let us all down at various points regardless of what time period you're watching it in. Surprisingly the parody show gives us more serious animation.
Soundtracks. Variety wise Naruto takes the cake no doubt but it's a dart board. You throw a dart and it's close to the money or it misses. I've found few people who like and love every opening and ending from this series. There are various openings that simply do not fit likewise with endings. However, this is a thing with anime, after x number of episodes you're going to get a new OP and ED. One Punch would've gotten another one if it lasted longer and will get a new one likely if more seasons are produced. Sound track wise though, Naruto has become redundant and this is a factor of time as well. One Punch Man had a rather nice range and it was a one season pony so the little you got was not very little in the grand scheme. The little you get from something like Naruto, the music doesn't even give stimulation anymore. It's background noise.
It's 4:40 am and I told myself I'd be in bed...anyway last thoughts real quick just to address you OP
cons
-TnJ = overused plot device, yes, it has long since become pathetic. Naruto never grows up mentally or becomes less idealistic and the show panders to a false reality where his idealism in such a screwed up world can be so easily overcome by a child's words. This negates the initial relatable nature of the MC where he grows up physically and mentally as he's exposed to the world and changes himself along with the world. That is what you need for the demographic to relate to the character.
-supportive roles = characters became less individual and more background. You develop their individual plots so little that the only attachment you really get is from how much you see them. Neji's death would've had more of an impact if he were more important. Had Iruka or Kakashi died instead the impact would've been greater. Jiraiya and Itachi's deaths were the only significant ones. Hell Itachi even gets his own anime.
went through art, went through predictability, went through power perversion
pros
went through sound track
fight scenes, I'd factor both quality of animation and dynamic of the scene with regard to context of the story. Kakashi v. Obito? Fantastic, Kirabi vs. Taka? from the beginning until monster fighting monster it was pretty tight. Transformed Naruto vs. Pein? Everybody remembers the penny scrapping animation quality. Saitama vs. Genos? Beautiful. Saitama vs. Boros? Epic beyond belief. Saitama vs. Mosquito? light hearted but beautifully done none the less. Even as you wove in Madara v. Allied forces you could see the longer they emphasized close quarters combat the quality diminished and they slowed it down.
Development, variety addressed
Actual meaning? Naruto went from being about the boy who wants to become the leader of his village to him full filling a prophecy and defeating an alien. the themes expressed were almost completely idealistic and some themes fell apart like the destiny theme. Naruto was a serious show but inconsistent in what messages it tried to convey at times or simply low bait. One punch man means to be a parody, it means to be taken lightly and to watch Saitama progressively get recognized as a true hero. So far it's remaining consistent in that
humor to seriousness you can have that, don't really think it's much to help though
world building, not sure what you mean by this same with NV.
If I made spelling or grammatical mistakes, welp, I'll look at it later. I'll accept an argument regarding how young OPM is but I'll just say that for how young it is, OPM is doing better than Naruto did when it first came out. The way it handles it's plot, character development, animation, and music.
Goodnight.
I'll give you something to work with in the mean time. I'm procrastinating out the ass right now with my homework already so why not."proper argument" <-- I hope it's an actual legit argument unlike 99% of the opm community, can't wait!
These anime allegence communities hype and disparage against anime generally because they see and feel the the good and the bad in series. The difference is in their ability to intellectually articulate these observations without falling into the complete and utter fanboyism (pardon the gender bias wording but this is regarding two shonen genre shows). You have trolls who don't care or love to bait people with short and inflammatory bullshit and you can't always help that. However I believe that most who falls into one side or another with these situations is, for the most part, analytically aware of both sides to a degree. I am one at least, I've followed and still currently follow Naruto almost religiously. I also have watched and am now currently reading One Punch Man as well. I look on the two as follows; Naruto is a fallen angel and One Punch Man is a Greek-like god or demi-god on the rise. The latter is not all powerful for it has the potential to fall into the same trap as Naruto.
What went right with Naruto went right for a fairly substantial amount of time through to a point in Shippuden where I feel the sheer degeneration of the series began. The world that was created for Naruto was very rich and involved. It was almost a pseudo-period piece with the way it used Japanese feudal systems like Daimyou, and shinobi. It spun the idea of shinobi completely though and made it it's own. It kept the facets of the "mystical" powers through flashy jutsu, and the depth of their creeds through "rules", the Anbu, and what makes an "ideal shinobi". We were given a descent backstory and build up of the world with a power scaling and general expectations that we could look forward peaking and then gracefully ending. Naruto came in as a small bundle of general expectations and grew larger and larger. At some point we found a foundation firmly established and we went on expecting that foundation to remain solid.
It fell apart. SOOO many inconsistencies arose and sooo many redundancies tripped over itself within Shippuden. I'll stick to what the canon did for right now. One of the biggest inconsistencies or shots to the foot was the idea of destiny. I'll use this one example for now. Neji vs. Naruto pre-shippuden chuunin exams. The premise was teaching Neji that destiny was a load of bull. You are responsible for yourself not some Lutheran predestination mess. End result? The loser defeats the genius. Fast forward to Shippuden around Pein's arc. The chosen one who is destined to bring great peace or great destruction to the world. The "Boy of prophecy". Let's be real here, you always have some "chosen one" plot point in shows like these but the fact they gave the opposite lesson on it early in the series is a shot in your own foot. This is further elaborated on when we get into the inheritors of the Asura and Indra's chakra and what not. There are other issues such as the perverted power scaling that moved Naruto from being about Ninjas to being quasi-DBZ. You mention how it's 'not as predictable as OPM' I'd argue against this and say everything is foreseeable if you follow common tropes in other anime like this. For example, I've seen threads and have made bets with people about which people are going to die in the war...because it's a war and you always have people important die in large wars. One Punch man being cards on the table is intentional because the factor of enjoyment is different from Naruto.
One punch man is, one punch man. What is different between the world and plot and premise of this show vs. Naruto? Yes the cards are all out on the table but that's because this parody, this obvious parody tells you point blank what to expect and you thus are going to watch it (if you're going to watch it) because you know what to expect and thus get enjoyment out of the other factors that make it. One Punch Man doesn't have as complex of a world as Naruto, it is very linear. You have a hero who has the power to literally defeat anybody in one punch and he is always able to get to you to punch you no matter what you throw at him. But he is so unbelievably OP, so ridiculous even for his own world's standards, nobody believes this and thus he's seen as nothing more than a cheat. What is the enemy here in one punch man? The enemy is something he cannot punch, the acceptance from others that he is the unquestionable best or at least better than the lowest of the low.
Two different factors of enjoyment, two different plots. The aspect of their content that I'm comparing is the consistency. Naruto has lasted so long, grew so big, developed soo much that it tripped over itself. You gave praise to the development but the development severely diminished in quality as it veered away from the general foundation it established. One Punch Man, however, has remained consistent. The best possible argument I can see for this is the factor of time. As long as Naruto ran it was bound to end up the way it did, some would argue. One punchman could fall into this same trap. The fault is that it didn't know when to end, or rather the author progressed for too long.
Lets' talk animation for a moment here. Even for Naruto's time period, its animation was average at best in the most general sense. With the exceptions of small sections which have great animations for a few frames where you can just tell the money for that episode was just blown on those scenes, Naruto's animation was nothing you looked at twice. One Punch Man, one word, Madhouse. This studio is royalty when it comes to their sheer quality of animation no matter where you are. I will make this clear, I'm not going to compare 1999 animation to 2015 animation...but I'm going to compare time period quality and I'm going to compare 2015 Naruto to 2015 One Punch. 2015 Naruto doesn't hold a candle to 2015 One Punch Man. In OP you get semblances of the original animation style from the author "One" only for the sake of comedy and origin. Almost every scene from One Punch Man provide a level of detail and quality that would cause you to ask "who are they sleeping with to get so much money for this?" Aesthetically Naruto has let us all down at various points regardless of what time period you're watching it in. Surprisingly the parody show gives us more serious animation.
Soundtracks. Variety wise Naruto takes the cake no doubt but it's a dart board. You throw a dart and it's close to the money or it misses. I've found few people who like and love every opening and ending from this series. There are various openings that simply do not fit likewise with endings. However, this is a thing with anime, after x number of episodes you're going to get a new OP and ED. One Punch would've gotten another one if it lasted longer and will get a new one likely if more seasons are produced. Sound track wise though, Naruto has become redundant and this is a factor of time as well. One Punch Man had a rather nice range and it was a one season pony so the little you got was not very little in the grand scheme. The little you get from something like Naruto, the music doesn't even give stimulation anymore. It's background noise.
It's 4:40 am and I told myself I'd be in bed...anyway last thoughts real quick just to address you OP
cons
-TnJ = overused plot device, yes, it has long since become pathetic. Naruto never grows up mentally or becomes less idealistic and the show panders to a false reality where his idealism in such a screwed up world can be so easily overcome by a child's words. This negates the initial relatable nature of the MC where he grows up physically and mentally as he's exposed to the world and changes himself along with the world. That is what you need for the demographic to relate to the character.
-supportive roles = characters became less individual and more background. You develop their individual plots so little that the only attachment you really get is from how much you see them. Neji's death would've had more of an impact if he were more important. Had Iruka or Kakashi died instead the impact would've been greater. Jiraiya and Itachi's deaths were the only significant ones. Hell Itachi even gets his own anime.
went through art, went through predictability, went through power perversion
pros
went through sound track
fight scenes, I'd factor both quality of animation and dynamic of the scene with regard to context of the story. Kakashi v. Obito? Fantastic, Kirabi vs. Taka? from the beginning until monster fighting monster it was pretty tight. Transformed Naruto vs. Pein? Everybody remembers the penny scrapping animation quality. Saitama vs. Genos? Beautiful. Saitama vs. Boros? Epic beyond belief. Saitama vs. Mosquito? light hearted but beautifully done none the less. Even as you wove in Madara v. Allied forces you could see the longer they emphasized close quarters combat the quality diminished and they slowed it down.
Development, variety addressed
Actual meaning? Naruto went from being about the boy who wants to become the leader of his village to him full filling a prophecy and defeating an alien. the themes expressed were almost completely idealistic and some themes fell apart like the destiny theme. Naruto was a serious show but inconsistent in what messages it tried to convey at times or simply low bait. One punch man means to be a parody, it means to be taken lightly and to watch Saitama progressively get recognized as a true hero. So far it's remaining consistent in that
humor to seriousness you can have that, don't really think it's much to help though
world building, not sure what you mean by this same with NV.
If I made spelling or grammatical mistakes, welp, I'll look at it later. I'll accept an argument regarding how young OPM is but I'll just say that for how young it is, OPM is doing better than Naruto did when it first came out. The way it handles it's plot, character development, animation, and music.
Goodnight.
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I found One Punch Man to be repetitive. But I wouldn't be too critical of it in the first place since it's not a series which takes itself seriously and is just a parody.
I found One Punch Man to be repetitive. But I wouldn't be too critical of it in the first place since it's not a series which takes itself seriously and is just a parody.
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[VIDEO=youtube;v=9x__aDXYdJc]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9x__aDXYdJc[/VIDEO]
So you don't find this entertaining? This was the best fight in 2015 period.
[VIDEO=youtube;v=9x__aDXYdJc]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9x__aDXYdJc[/VIDEO]
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That is true. I kept seeing post by OPM tards saying that he can beat everyone, including the One Above All. That's too laughable.
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This isn't a vs. thread, be mindful and don't veer from the topic which is the quality of the series not who can beat who.
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Good humour that MJ Sasuke. XDXD OT: In all honesty, I can't get into One Punch Man a lot of people told me the reasons, but nothing convinced me. So it's safe to say, I wasn't missing out on anything as I completely trust your judgement dear. <3<3
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I can get everyone's frustrations with OPM. It gets dul when you have your main character one shotting everyone with ease. The sad part about it is that most of the main characters are nothing more than fodders, who get rekt easily while Saitama doesn't break a sweat.
Yes, I understand that it's a parody and I have to admit that the manga is good, but I think the fact that Saitama winning every fight is a turn off to the series. It's like Fairy Tail.
I can get everyone's frustrations with OPM. It gets dul when you have your main character one shotting everyone with ease. The sad part about it is that most of the main characters are nothing more than fodders, who get rekt easily while Saitama doesn't break a sweat.
Yes, I understand that it's a parody and I have to admit that the manga is good, but I think the fact that Saitama winning every fight is a turn off to the series. It's like Fairy Tail.
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The animation was nice but it was too long and boring... Probably it would look much better if I knew the context but as it is..
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Re: " stfu! one punch man is not overrated bruh, your just dbz or naruto lover!" <- l
I still loved Boros. That part when he kicked Saitama to the moon was awesome.
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Exactly! The rest of the characters reason for existing is to be a punching bag for the villain to show off their abilities we wouldn't be able to see if they fought Saitama once they came onto the scene and at first it was funny, but now its really sad seeing a character like Geno's not being able to take down anyone and always getting destroyed in every battle he jumps in.