[Predictions] Naruto Manga 501 Discussion and 502 Predictions

[minato4th]

Until i see the fight between Minato vs Madara and The Nine tails then my opinion on who is the strongest SHINOBI OF THEM ALL, will stay silent.

 

[HokagePein]

Theres absolutely nothing more i want then to see Minato just deliver one blow that will send Tobi shitting his pants and ofcourse retreating like the dumbass he isnt.

but my prediction

the fox attacks the village and all the shinobi are holding it down untill the fourth arrives

which means to me he is battling Tobi , whether tobi is holding him off , Minato is trying to finish him or minato is chasing him around

but i truly believe minato engages tobi and is basically will be trading blows back and forth. Minato will make Tobi retreat since tobi doesnt stop minato from sealing the nine tails.

Minato's confrontation with Tobi makes him come up with a list of abilities which is needed to defeat Tobi which Minato doesnt possess currently. and later when he sees naruto in during the pain arch mentions to naruto about the certain abilities necessary

tobi retreats and makes a joke saying to Minato good luck or something then minato warps to the fox and summons frog boss

 

[Itachi Sama]

I think we might see Sasuke's EMS in chapter 503...

 

[minatoisagod]

I really didn't want to start a strongest Hokage debate in a thread that is not meant for that. But again it matters in Opinion cause if the author said the fourth was the strongest people will still argue against that. So all who say the 1st is the strongest your 2 cents all who say 3rd that yours all who say 4th that yours. All in all they all dead so it don't matter at this point because ninja's exist in th storyline that seems to surpass them. So lets just wait until the next chapter to see the 4th in action against the kybuui and madara to make judgments cause we didn't really see a fight between the 1st and madara any way.

 

[Degrees]

Awesome chapter.

No disrespect to Itachi fans but he looks so creepy when he was a kid.

 

[Itachi Sama]

Awesome chapter.

No disrespect to Itachi fans but he looks so creepy when he was a kid.

He looks like a true shinobi! What are you talking about Scorpion =)?

 

[silenceofthelambs]

actually this is wrong. shikamaru isn't stronger than Hidan. shikamaru had TONS of previous info on hidan before they fought.

-the fight with asuma gave shikamaru a good look at his entire ability
-he came up with a huge plan days before his fight with hidan and set traps out long before they fought

if hidan and shikamaru fought each other with no knowledge of each others abilities, hidan would've pwnd shikamaru.

Did you not read my post? You can't blame a person for something they have or don't have. As on your previous thread, you are simply making assumptions. Shikamaru has an extraordinary brain, so why are you suddenly saying that Hidan would defeat Shikamaru so easily? You tend to underestimate characters very easily, which is your mistake. Because Shikamaru was always one step ahead of what Hidan was planning, he managed to defeat him in the end. It is like that with Minato and Madara. Hidan is only powerful once he manages to make his opponent a part of his ritual, as he did with Asuma. But as long he does not connect (with blood), Hidan cannot do anything. He only waits for oppurtunity to permit a moment where his opponents are vulnerable, and then begin his ritual. If I remember correctly, Hidan's head was chopped off by Asuma, yet it was put back in place by Kakuzu - if he were not there, that would have been the end of Hidan. But since he was there, Hidan managed to continue fighting. It would do you good to actually look at evidence for once, instead of making absurd statements like you have here.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

it does NOT prove that ROFL. the kyuubi doesn't BELONG to Madara, he just took control of it one day like a pokemon. without his pokemon, minato would wipe the floor with madara

Yes it does. You said that if Minato were to fight Madara, and would not be able to because he did not have tailed beast suppressing abilities, you would be proven correctly. Perhaps, but that will just show that Madara is indeed more powerful than Minato, regardless of the weapons both carry into battle. If Minato had such a great weapon that he could use in combat, would he hesitate to use it? In some cases, maybe, but for the most part, when necessary, he would use that source of strength to raise the advantages he might have. Like I said, a person cannot be held at fault simply for what they have; let's say a friend of yours has an incredible mansion, is living the life, and you are barely trying to get by with what you have. Will you blame this friend simply for the things he has, including their advantages? And the Nine-Tailed Fox, does in a sense, "belong" to Madara. The Mangekyou Sharingan gives the user control of the Nine-Tailed Fox; if they can get their hands on it, it is as good as theirs. You seem to blame Madara just for an extraordinarily powerful weapon he has, but it is his, and that is all there is to it. Minato had to face it whether he liked it or not, and he told Naruto "he saw through everything I did," so once again, how would Minato be able to combat Madara? Evidence points in the other direction, contrary to what you are trying to say here.

 

[Jinchuuriki of Juubi]

lol this fight is everywhere right now.from now I'll stay out of it.for now
but when we see the fight and hence the new info we need it will be a different story

 

[kydo]

ok this is what my theory is about 4th vs Madara;
i kno we just have to wait and see how it plays out in the manga, but this is my prediction

There were 2 major threats towards the village, 1 being Madara and the other the Kyuubi.The fact that madara is alive, means he still has a soul right? if he does have a soul, then Minato's insane speed + death reaper summon = Madara is defeated.The problem Minato might have encountered was either:
A. Madara retreated, so in the end the Death reaper could only be used on the fox
B. Minato didnt think of using the Death Reaper with shadow clones as the 3rd did so he went after the most immediate and dangerous threat, the fox
C. Minato had no choice but to go after the Kyuubi first cuz somthing terible was gonna happen if he didnt, Madara saw wat he could do and retreated.

One of those should be right on the money, hopefuly not B. If they arent, i cant wait to see wat kinda twists kishi can come up with, hopefuly not a fail tho. :hypertobi:

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

No proof? You said that Minato was strongest of the Hokages. I am going to refute that statement. First of all, Hashirama Senju is stronger than Minato for the very reason you gave in your post - "[he] took the [Nine-Tailed Fox] out of the fight," which is something that Minato could do only by giving up his life, while Hashirama had a special ability designed to suppress the fox. Just there, you can tell that Hashirama is more powerful than Minato, and perhaps the strongest of all the Hokages. Next, Tobirama. He was considered, during his term, as the strongest ninja in his village, and one of the three people that could use Edo Tensei. As long as you rob the revived of their free will, they are impossible to beat, except by having their souls sealed with the Shiki Fuujin, which costs the user his life. Even Sarutobi, who was most likely Hashirama's equal (perhaps surpassing him, though it is hard to say), could only deal with Edo Tensei by sacrificing his life to seal the souls of the First and Second Hokages. Sarutobi himself acknowledged their strength (which was partial) when fighting with them. And Sarutobi, most already know about him. He knew every single technique in Konoha, and was considered "The God of Shinobi." He has much experience, and it certainly helps when in battle. Minato, while an incredible ninja, did not match up to any of these Hokages, possibly because of his early death, but then again you cannot say how strong he would have been had he lived longer.

And if Madara "saw through everything" Minato did (being a good analyst as you call it), how would any of Minato's attacks possibly work on Madara? We can assume Minato's words to mean that, if they fought, each of his attacks were repelled because Madara was always one step ahead of him, reading each of his moves. If they do physically fight in the chapters to come, then perhaps this matter will be settled once and for all.

Dude I know that Sarutobi was called the God of all Shinobi but where was it mentioned I can't remember cause when I wrote it someone was asking me where it was said, but anyways good to know that I was rightxd

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Did you not read my post? You can't blame a person for something they have or don't have. As on your previous thread, you are simply making assumptions. Shikamaru has an extraordinary brain, so why are you suddenly saying that Hidan would defeat Shikamaru so easily? You tend to underestimate characters very easily, which is your mistake. Because Shikamaru was always one step ahead of what Hidan was planning, he managed to defeat him in the end. It is like that with Minato and Madara. Hidan is only powerful once he manages to make his opponent a part of his ritual, as he did with Asuma. But as long he does not connect (with blood), Hidan cannot do anything. He only waits for oppurtunity to permit a moment where his opponents are vulnerable, and then begin his ritual. If I remember correctly, Hidan's head was chopped off by Asuma, yet it was put back in place by Kakuzu - if he were not there, that would have been the end of Hidan. But since he was there, Hidan managed to continue fighting. It would do you good to actually look at evidence for once, instead of making absurd statements like you have here.

First of all when Hidan's head was chopped it was 4 against 1. Secondly on their first battle all those 4 Konoha ninjas would have died so easily against Hidan and Kakuzu. Shikamaru couldn't have really killed Hidan on their first battle and that's just a fact. That was the same reason why Jiraiya couldn't beat Pain because his abilities were too weird and strong and when he was able to figure out Pain's abilities it was too late. But Naruto had so much information on Pain so it made his fight more easy. Shikamaru knew he couldn't have been able to defeat Hidan and most of the guys will agree on this. Shikamaru is a brilliant strategist but when facing guys of the level of Akatsuki strength is also needed.

 

[Sagekiid95]

Madara seemed to be weary of Minato. If he was stronger than minato it seems he would have had no problem trying to kill him or injure him like he did the rest. He is a cold blooded killer after all. Its not like minato had any assistance or anything.

Hey, Im Kimani<<< iim new to thiisz, bhut ii strongly disagree with the whole "if Madara is stonger than Minato" thing<<< Keep in mind tht Minato is a very powerful ninja. I especially give him credit for being so powerful in such a short life span. However, Madara is by far stronger than him. Even Minato said iit himself (when he wasz talking with Naruto)<<< He sed that he wasz no Match for the masked man. And that Madara saw through all his techniques. Imaqine Minato's speed... and imagine Madara able to keep up with him<<< Also Madara is at his weakest point, he's just a mere shell of his formerself. So imagine him in his prime (before he faught Hashirama)<<< Madara is by far out everyone's league<<< Thats why wen he came to the Kage Summit<<< one of the Kages asked "why is someone of your caliber going about this in such round about manner?" Then he furthered that question by saying "A ninja as powerful of you should be able to execute any plan without a hitch"<<< That's coming from someone who fought Madara before.

 

[Sagekiid95]

Hey, Im Kimani<<< iim new to thiisz, bhut ii strongly disagree with the whole "if Madara is stonger than Minato" thing<<< Keep in mind tht Minato is a very powerful ninja. I especially give him credit for being so powerful in such a short life span. However, Madara is by far stronger than him. Even Minato said iit himself (when he wasz talking with Naruto)<<< He sed that he wasz no Match for the masked man. And that Madara saw through all his techniques. Imaqine Minato's speed... and imagine Madara able to keep up with him<<< Also Madara is at his weakest point, he's just a mere shell of his formerself. So imagine him in his prime (before he faught Hashirama)<<< Madara is by far out everyone's league<<< Thats why wen he came to the Kage Summit<<< one of the Kages asked "why is someone of your caliber going about this in such round about manner?" Then he furthered that question by saying "A ninja as powerful of you should be able to execute any plan without a hitch"<<< That's coming from someone who fought Madara before.

"A ninja AS* powerful as you should be able to execute any plan without a hitch"<<< (the star represents a correction)<<<

 

[Sagekiid95]

Hey, Im Kimani<<< iim new to thiisz, bhut ii strongly disagree with the whole "if Madara is stonger than Minato" thing<<< Keep in mind tht Minato is a very powerful ninja. I especially give him credit for being so powerful in such a short life span. However, Madara is by far stronger than him. Even Minato said iit himself (when he wasz talking with Naruto)<<< He sed that he wasz no Match for the masked man. And that Madara saw through all his techniques. Imaqine Minato's speed... and imagine Madara able to keep up with him<<< Also Madara is at his weakest point, he's just a mere shell of his formerself. So imagine him in his prime (before he faught Hashirama)<<< Madara is by far out everyone's league<<< Thats why wen he came to the Kage Summit<<< one of the Kages asked "why is someone of your caliber going about this in such round about manner?" Then he furthered that question by saying "A ninja as powerful of you should be able to execute any plan without a hitch"<<< That's coming from someone who fought Madara before.

"A ninja as powerful as* you should be able to execute any plan without a hitch"<<< (the star represents correction of an error that i made)<<<

 

[Sagekiid95]

I really didn't want to start a strongest Hokage debate in a thread that is not meant for that. But again it matters in Opinion cause if the author said the fourth was the strongest people will still argue against that. So all who say the 1st is the strongest your 2 cents all who say 3rd that yours all who say 4th that yours. All in all they all dead so it don't matter at this point because ninja's exist in th storyline that seems to surpass them. So lets just wait until the next chapter to see the 4th in action against the kybuui and madara to make judgments cause we didn't really see a fight between the 1st and madara any way.

The 1st iis the Strongest Hokage<<< Hashirama Senju iis a Ninja even Madara wasnt able to defeat<<< And the 4th said he wasz no match for Madara becusz he saw through all hisz jutsus<<< So with that being Said Hashirama is Stronger than the 4th<<< The Second iis not stronger than Hashirama becus back in there daysz, Hashirama was viewed as the strongest member in his clan<<< (everone in his clan ackknowledged him for that even his younger brother Tobirama Senju aka 2nd Hokage.)<<< The 3rd was the pupil of the 1st and 2nd<<< so they were obviously stronger than him<<< And I wont mension Tsunade bcusz letsz face iit<<< (she the weakest of all the hokages)<<< And keep in mind that Hashirama had control over several Tailed Beast and he gave them each to the 5great shinobi nationsz (asz a testimony of peace)<<< so basically He had atleast 5 bijuus under his control<<< That's to show his prawess in Ninjutsu (especially Wood Style)<<< He fought Madara with EMS and the 9tails at the same time<<< while protecting the village<<< That battle was so fierce iit scared the land into what iis know known as the Valley Of The End<<< And to top that off He had a necklace to tame the ninetails at certain limit<<< The battle btw him and Madara was so great that Madara still didnt recover decadesz after<<< But, Madara is stronger than most ov these Shinobis now iin hisz weakest state<<< And he fought Minato in his weakest state (and Minato said that he wasz no match)<<< SO common sense ding dong (no offence) the person who put Madara in the weakened state is clearly STRONGER than Minato<<< Since Minato is Not stronger than Madara in he weakest state<<< AND HASHIRAMA FOUGHT HIM WEN HE WAS AT HIS MOST POWERFUL STATE AND WON<<<

 

[Sagekiid95]

The 1st iis the Strongest Hokage<<< Hashirama Senju iis a Ninja even Madara wasnt able to defeat<<< And the 4th said he wasz no match for Madara becusz he saw through all hisz jutsus<<< So with that being Said Hashirama is Stronger than the 4th<<< The Second iis not stronger than Hashirama becus back in there daysz, Hashirama was viewed as the strongest member in his clan<<< (everone in his clan ackknowledged him for that even his younger brother Tobirama Senju aka 2nd Hokage.)<<< The 3rd was the pupil of the 1st and 2nd<<< so they were obviously stronger than him<<< And I wont mension Tsunade bcusz letsz face iit<<< (she the weakest of all the hokages)<<< And keep in mind that Hashirama had control over several Tailed Beast and he gave them each to the 5great shinobi nationsz (asz a testimony of peace)<<< so basically He had atleast 5 bijuus under his control<<< That's to show his prawess in Ninjutsu (especially Wood Style)<<< He fought Madara with EMS and the 9tails at the same time<<< while protecting the village<<< That battle was so fierce iit scared the land into what iis know known as the Valley Of The End<<< And to top that off He had a necklace to tame the ninetails at certain limit<<< The battle btw him and Madara was so great that Madara still didnt recover decadesz after<<< But, Madara is stronger than most ov these Shinobis now iin hisz weakest state<<< And he fought Minato in his weakest state (and Minato said that he wasz no match)<<< SO common sense ding dong (no offence) the person who put Madara in the weakened state is clearly STRONGER than Minato<<< Since Minato is Not stronger than Madara in he weakest state<<< AND HASHIRAMA FOUGHT HIM WEN HE WAS AT HIS MOST POWERFUL STATE AND WON<<<

your opinion is ur opinion<<< How aM ii to try suade uu<<<??

 

[chakan]

why sasuke is in the 1st page its like kish is trying to tell us that sasuke got something from that epic event, something from the Fox.

i tried telling them before but they said i was crazy but well see during the next few chapters

sasuke and fox power? wheres the sence?

doesnt need to make, the point is: he is sharing the 1st page and its the same day that the fox got extracted, its like kish is trying to say that sasuke got the other half or something like this, if not, what is the point to show sasuke... im not saying this is what i want, but i have the feeling that it might happen.

 

[uzamaki2223]

doesnt need to make, the point is: he is sharing the 1st page and its the same day that the fox got extracted, its like kish is trying to say that sasuke got the other half or something like this, if not, what is the point to show sasuke... im not saying this is what i want, but i have the feeling that it might happen.

lol that would b hilarious. both of them fightin wit their fox but i think that by now something would have happen with that cuz sasuke has almost died too many times for it to not have shown itself. plus that'll kinda hurt the story imo

i really enjoyed this chap a lot. i cant help but think that minato reminded me a lot of Kakashi in this chap. i dont really kno y but it jus seemed so kakashi like to do what minato did. but then again he was kakashi's sensei. really hoping we get to the end of this little trip down memory lane so i can c sasukes i's. plus im ready for the story to progress so i can c how strong naruto has become.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

About Itachi helping Minato chances of this is very slim Itachi may have been a genius but he was too young and he doesn't stand chance against someone like Madara at that time. So Itachi helping Minato against the likes of Kyuubi and Madara looks not possible but we will see what happened in the next chapter.