Sasuke doesn't have Perfect Susanoo

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:what: you realize....Sasuke is also an Indra Transmigrate. So if Madara unlocked it because of this......why is it that Sasuke didn't?

OT: OP I think you're reading too much into this. When Madara's Perfect Susanoo was revealed he was facing 5 regular sized humans with no Avatar. All the "proof" you've shown with Sasuke's Susanno's size are pics of him confronting other giant sized creatures like Kurama, Juubi, etc.

...don't you think maybe, just maybe the scaling is a bit inconsistant? Other than the size inconsistencies, they look almost exactly the same aside from color and a few other minor details.
Yes he is but it doesn't necessarily mean he inherited the same abilities as Madara, Naruto and Hashirama are examples of transmigrants inheriting different powers of the same descendant.

Ashura had Hagoromo's body and some of the Juubi's power, but Hashi inherited the Juubi's traits while Naruto inherited the Jinchuuriki's traits.

Indra would most likely have all the feats transmigrants and their siblings displayed while his descendants would only inherit separate ones (i.e : Itachi having the strongest genjutsu, Sasuke having the strongest ninjutsu, Madara having the strongest Susano'o)
 

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Nice try but fail, that's Rinnegan Sasuke, EMS Sasuke never had it
Lol I see you havent read my other posts on here. That was obviously a troll post proving Sasuke has progressed beyond Perfect Susano'o. And Susano'o has nothing to do with Rinnegan so YOU fail hard son
 

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Yes he is but it doesn't necessarily mean he inherited the same abilities as Madara, Naruto and Hashirama are examples of transmigrants inheriting different powers of the same descendant.

Ashura had Hagoromo's body and some of the Juubi's power, but Hashi inherited the Juubi's traits while Naruto inherited the Jinchuuriki's traits.

Indra would most likely have all the feats transmigrants and their siblings displayed while his descendants would only inherit separate ones (i.e : Itachi having the strongest genjutsu, Sasuke having the strongest ninjutsu, Madara having the strongest Susano'o)
You are obviously an alt
 

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Yes he is but it doesn't necessarily mean he inherited the same abilities as Madara, Naruto and Hashirama are examples of transmigrants inheriting different powers of the same descendant.
Except Sasuke did.

He inherited the Choku Tomoes, Awakened the EMS, Manifested a Bijuu-Sized Susano'o, and even performed Iso Susano'o. Sasuke inherited all of Indra's Powers, but Naruto? He also did, the only difference is that Mokuton is not Ashura's power. This is not the case with Madara as Madara only possessed Indra's powers whereas Hashirama had something on top of that. Other than that, Sasuke inherited all of Indra's Powers, and Naruto inherited all of Ashura's powers.

Ashura had Hagoromo's body and some of the Juubi's power, but Hashi inherited the Juubi's traits while Naruto inherited the Jinchuuriki's traits.
I'm not sure what you mean by, "And some of the Juubi's Power". He only inherited Hagomoro's Physical Energy which is equivalent to the Juubi's Physical Energy and Lifeforce and that was it.

Indra would most likely have all the feats transmigrants and their siblings displayed while his descendants would only inherit separate ones (i.e : Itachi having the strongest genjutsu, Sasuke having the strongest ninjutsu, Madara having the strongest Susano'o)
Susano'o is a trait shared by all three whereas Tsukyomi and Enton Kagutsuchi aren't which is why Itachi possesses the strongest genjutsu and Sasuke possesses the strongest ninjutsu. As long as both have Susano'o, the one who has the highest and most potent chakra is the one with the strongest Susano'o.
 

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Except Sasuke did.

He inherited the Choku Tomoes, Awakened the EMS, Manifested a Bijuu-Sized Susano'o, and even performed Iso Susano'o. Sasuke inherited all of Indra's Powers, but Naruto? He also did, the only difference is that Mokuton is not Ashura's power. This is not the case with Madara as Madara only possessed Indra's powers whereas Hashirama had something on top of that. Other than that, Sasuke inherited all of Indra's Powers, and Naruto inherited all of Ashura's powers.
By choku tomoe he was referring to EMS which only grants a power boost of feats the user had with MS, Hashirama didn't have anything extra, he had Ashura's powers it's simple as that, the ability to absorb NE and use Mokuton comes from someone that had Hagoromo's body.

I'm not sure what you mean by, "And some of the Juubi's Power". He only inherited Hagomoro's Physical Energy which is equivalent to the Juubi's Physical Energy and Lifeforce and that was it.
Ashura's avatar wouldn't be possible without bijuu chakra and since he wasn't a Jinchuuriki that suggests he inherited some of the Juubi's chakra.

Him and Indra were both conceived when Hagoromo was the Juubi's host, which means whatever power they inherited from the Sage had some of the Juubi's influence. The Sharingan comes from the Juubi's eye while the ability to use RSM and TSB comes from the JuubiJin's body.

Susano'o is a trait shared by all three whereas Tsukyomi and Enton Kagutsuchi aren't which is why Itachi possesses the strongest genjutsu and Sasuke possesses the strongest ninjutsu. As long as both have Susano'o, the one who has the highest and most potent chakra is the one with the strongest Susano'o.
Yes but notice that EMS Sasuke never showed the mastery over Susano'o like Madara until he had Sage chakra, he was only capable of channeling ninjutsu through the avatar but it wasn't until he had the Rinnegan that he displayed the raw power Madara's Susano'o had.

Before that his avatar was the same size as Naruto's BM which was about 1/3 the size of original Kurama who Madara was able to wrap Susano'o around effortlessly, this suggests that Madara's PS was unique to him just as Enton weapons are unique to Sasuke.
 
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Lol I see you havent read my other posts on here. That was obviously a troll post proving Sasuke has progressed beyond Perfect Susano'o. And Susano'o has nothing to do with Rinnegan so YOU fail hard son
Yes it does, Susano'o comes from Indra who inherited the Sage's chakra. Obito unlocked PS when he had Rikudou chakra from previously being a JuubiJin and the Sage's chakra was responsible for enhancing Sasuke's Susano'o power
 

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Yes it does, Susano'o comes from Indra who inherited the Sage's chakra. Obito unlocked PS when he had Rikudou chakra from previously being a JuubiJin and the Sage's chakra was responsible for enhancing Sasuke's Susano'o power
You dont need Indras chakra to get PS and Indra didnt have Rinnegan so once again you fail hard
 

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By choku tomoe he was referring to EMS which only grants a power boost of feats the user had with MS, Hashirama didn't have anything extra, he had Ashura's powers it's simple as that, the ability to absorb NE and use Mokuton comes from someone that had Hagoromo's body.



Ashura's avatar wouldn't be possible without bijuu chakra and since he wasn't a Jinchuuriki that suggests he inherited some of the Juubi's chakra.

Him and Indra were both conceived when Hagoromo was the Juubi's host, which means whatever power they inherited from the Sage had some of the Juubi's influence. The Sharingan comes from the Juubi's eye while the ability to use RSM and TSB comes from the JuubiJin's body.



Yes but notice that EMS Sasuke never showed the mastery over Susano'o like Madara until he had Sage chakra, he was only capable of channeling ninjutsu through the avatar but it wasn't until he had the Rinnegan that he displayed the raw power Madara's Susano'o had.

Before that his avatar was the same size as Naruto's BM which was about 1/3 the size of original Kurama who Madara was able to wrap Susano'o around effortlessly, this suggests that Madara's PS was unique to him just as Enton weapons are unique to Sasuke.
You dont know anything about Ashura Avatar yet you say he has juubi chakra. Are you stupid? His Avatar is a manefistation of his blossoming yang power. Straight from his fathers body.
 

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You dont need Indras chakra to get PS and Indra didnt have Rinnegan so once again you fail hard
You don't need Indra's chakra when you have Sage chakra which is what Obito and Indra had. It was already stated in the manga that Indra inherited the Sage's chakra, Hagoromo confirmed it by saying he inherited "my strong chakra genes", he didn't have the Rinnegan because he lacked Ashura's body.
 

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You don't need Indra's chakra when you have Sage chakra which is what Obito and Indra had. It was already stated in the manga that Indra inherited the Sage's chakra, Hagoromo confirmed it by saying he inherited "my strong chakra genes", he didn't have the Rinnegan because he lacked Ashura's body.
My comment was Rinnegan has nothing to do with Perfect Susano'o. It doesnt. Especially since everyone who unlocked it didnt have Rinnegan at the time.

Now when it comes to your Indra chakra theory you are wrong again. Six Paths does power you up but you dont need it to unlock PS and Indras chakra does not boost your power in any way. Only Hagaromo boosted Sasukes power.

Indras Chakra is not Rikudou Chakra. Sasuke nor Naruto did not have Six Paths Power before Hagaromos power up. If they had they'd beat their opponents much easier
 
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My comment was Rinnegan has nothing to do with Perfect Susano'o. It doesnt. Especially since everyone who unlocked it didnt have Rinnegan at the time.
But they had Rikudou chakra except for Madara. What does that suggest ?

DMS + Sage chakra = Indra's eye power = Indra's level of Susano'o. But EMS Madara didn't have Sage chakra which means PS must be the ability he inherited from Indra whilst the others would never have unlocked it without Hagoromo's power.
 

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But they had Rikudou chakra except for Madara. What does that suggest ?

DMS + Sage chakra = Indra's eye power = Indra's level of Susano'o. But EMS Madara didn't have Sage chakra which means PS must be the ability he inherited from Indra whilst the others would never have unlocked it without Hagoromo's power.
Dude Indras chakra is not the same as Six Paths Power. You dont need Six Paths Power for Susano'o. Madara is proof of this Sasuke is proof of this. None of them had Six Paths Power to unlock PS.
 

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But they had Rikudou chakra except for Madara. What does that suggest ?

DMS + Sage chakra = Indra's eye power = Indra's level of Susano'o. But EMS Madara didn't have Sage chakra which means PS must be the ability he inherited from Indra whilst the others would never have unlocked it without Hagoromo's power.
Sasuke had perfect Susano'o before hago powerup. He stabilized it around Kurama. He just never revealed it until later when he needed it.
 

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By choku tomoe he was referring to EMS which only grants a power boost of feats the user had with MS, Hashirama didn't have anything extra, he had Ashura's powers it's simple as that, the ability to absorb NE and use Mokuton comes from someone that had Hagoromo's body.
No he wasn't. The Choku Tomoe was considered to be an ability that extends beyond the Uchiha bloodline (Transmigration) whereas that was not the case with the EMS.

Ashura never possessed Mokuton meaning that this wasn't an ability that is part of the Senju bloodline, so Hashirama did possess something extra.

Ashura's avatar wouldn't be possible without bijuu chakra and since he wasn't a Jinchuuriki that suggests he inherited some of the Juubi's chakra.
Ashura's Avatar is just a manifestation of Ashura's own Chakra and we have to take into account how he had Rikudou Senjutsu which isn't something he inherited, so RSM could've been the main reason he could use a Chakra Construct.

Him and Indra were both conceived when Hagoromo was the Juubi's host, which means whatever power they inherited from the Sage had some of the Juubi's influence. The Sharingan comes from the Juubi's eye while the ability to use RSM and TSB comes from the JuubiJin's body.
Sharingan isn't the Juubi's Eyes. The Juubi's Eyes is composed of both the Sharingan and Rinnegan's powers to its full extent. Indra only inherited a devolved form of that due to only inheriting Rikudou's Yin Chakra. Likewise, RSM doesn't just come from having Rikudou's Yang Chakra, but rather, his complete chakra along with Senjutsu as that's considered a Six Paths Power, not Ashura's Power.

Yes but notice that EMS Sasuke never showed the mastery over Susano'o like Madara until he had Sage chakra, he was only capable of channeling ninjutsu through the avatar but it wasn't until he had the Rinnegan that he displayed the raw power Madara's Susano'o had.
This is because his chakra potency wasn't on par with Madara's, but this is irrelevant when Orochimaru confirmed that EMS Sasuke had the potential to surpass EMS Madara.

Rikudou Chakra simply provided him with greater Chakra Volume and Potency which can also be obtained through training.

Before that his avatar was the same size as Naruto's BM which was about 1/3 the size of original Kurama who Madara was able to wrap Susano'o around effortlessly, this suggests that Madara's PS was unique to him just as Enton weapons are unique to Sasuke.
The reason for that was due to his Chakra Volume, Potency, and lack of Experience. Let him develop all three of these aspects and he would've reached a level above Madara as stated in the manga.
 

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You don't need Indra's chakra when you have Sage chakra which is what Obito and Indra had. It was already stated in the manga that Indra inherited the Sage's chakra, Hagoromo confirmed it by saying he inherited "my strong chakra genes", he didn't have the Rinnegan because he lacked Ashura's body.
Indra never had the Sage's Chakra.

Please reread Hagoromo's explanation. The reason why he stated that Indra inherited his chakra genes was because he inherited his potential and that was made clear here when Hagoromo dumbed it down for Naruto:



If Indra had the Sage's Chakra, he would've awakened the Rinnegan, so lets not deny what the manga is telling us. Manga made it very clear that the Uchiha's power which was inherited from Indra was only one component of Rikudou's chakra.
 

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Well to me it does'nt really matter if sasuke has PS or not, all I know is, madara's PS is waaaay bigger than sasuke's, (for those who think its inconsistency, that's bs), madara's PS is clearly bigger, it's pretty f*cking obvious
 
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