[Debate] If Abortion Isnt Murder Why Are Killers Charged With Double Homicide?

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Faulty logic is faulty so we can just drop his rights and then give it back to him of all sudden?

I call bull

And to your latter comment, so what if the woman decides to get prego and then say never mind?

Drop his rights when he never had one to begin with?

 

[ComplexCity]

What in reality happens differs from what I see is moraly right.

It doesn't matter what you see morally seeing as in reality, if a woman decides she wants to have an abortion then she can get on despite the man's input

 

[ComplexCity]

Drop his rights when he never had one to begin with?

If we're looking at it biologically as well as morally, (like you just stated previously) then yes he does seeing as he help create the being. Nice ignoring my other response as well

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

you're saying religion is on your side, but religion condemns abortion. What exactly is your point the fetus belongs to the father as much as it belongs to the mother. it's an other entity living inside her you can't just kill it and then rapidly dismiss the fact that it is a murder by saying it's her right?

Did I ever support abortion in any Way? All I did was saying it's woman's decision. Based on the fact that women who carried out a baby arw promised heaven in an instant and their child's fate lies under the feet of their mother.

No such thing was said about the dad so... Nope Women are having more rights on pregnancy more than justified.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

Even Religion is on my side.

The God of the Bible said this regarding one of His prophets.
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
In this verse, the God of the Bible sees Jeremiah even an embryo developing in the womb, as a Prophet, He ordained to preach His message to the pagan nations, this totally negates the idea of God being in the same boat with abortion.

 

[Edogawa]

Because democratic governments are making it illegal to charge abortion with murder. Democrats are pro-choice but not pro-life. All it takes to change your mind-set about this subject, is to watch a video of how the womb is murdered. It is disgusting and unbearable to watch. Of course abortion is murder, and if I was a law maker, I will charge the woman and doctor who conducted the abortion, with murder and death penalty. You shall not intentionally take away the soul of another innoncent human.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

If we're looking at it biologically as well as morally, (like you just stated previously) then yes he does seeing as he help create the being. Nice ignoring my other response as well

But you talk about reality and I use the morally joker and you say it doesn't matter at all. And now you gave me the same response like I did previously, how is that working again? You either see it from one standpoint (reality) or another (morally).

I must have overlooked it. You can quote it again.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

The God of the Bible said this regarding one of His prophets.
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
In this verse, the God of the Bible sees Jeremiah even an embryo developing in the womb, as a Prophet, He ordained to preach His message to the pagan nations, this totally negates the idea of God being in the same boat with abortion.

Again..
I'm not pro abortion.

I was using the Religion Statement to prove that women indeed are hailed more than men.

 

[ComplexCity]

But you talk about reality and I use the morally joker and you say it doesn't matter at all. And now you gave me the same response like I did previously, how is that working again? You either see it from one standpoint (reality) or another (morally).

I must have overlooked it. You can quote it again.

I can't quote on my phone
You said that the woman has a right to her body but not 100% rights to the child which is invalid seeing how as the child is in her body. You support the former so the latter doesn't make sense because regardless of the percentage of rights of what you believe the man has, your 100% belief that a woman can do it because it's her body over shadows what you deem to morally acceptable

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

I can't quote on my phone
You said that the woman has a right to her body but not 100% rights to the child which is invalid seeing how as the child is in her body. You support the former so the latter doesn't make sense because regardless of the percentage of rights of what you believe the man has, your 100% belief that a woman can do it because it's her body over shadows what you deem to morally acceptable

Well, before discussing with you I never made use of the moral joker, I sticked on being realistic. I mean true that's her body. That's her bond with the child. So if she feels like she can't take it then why need the permission of someone who can't put himself into your Position?

Just because it was his seed? Because that was the argument I was fighting off for more than 5 Pages now.

 

[ComplexCity]

Well, before discussing with you I never made use of the moral joker, I sticked on being realistic. I mean true that's her body. That's her bond with the child. So if she feels like she can't take it then why need the permission of someone who can't put himself into your Position?

Just because it was his seed? Because that was argument I was fighting off for more than 5 Pages now.

This comment is full of bias. Yes because that's his seed. How can you say a man has no say it what he helped to create and then all of sudden give him rights? That fact that you agree that he should pay child support if doesn't want the child even though he shouldn't have rights shows how bias this argument is

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Did I ever support abortion in any Way? All I did was saying it's woman's decision. Based on the fact that women who carried out a baby arw promised heaven in an instant and their child's fate lies under the feet of their mother.

No such thing was said about the dad so... Nope Women are having more rights on pregnancy more than justified.

@ bold this basically contradicts everything you've been saying this last hour.

You have to take into consideration that the father works and exerts a lot of effort to support and nurture this child? if the father doesn't want the child he should have the right just as the mother if this child should be delivered or not. If the mother wants it then he shouldn't have a hand in any of this and thus renouncing his rights as a father which is referred to as male abortion.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

@ bold this basically contradicts everything you've been saying this last hour.

You have to take into consideration that the father works and exerts a lot of effort to support and nurture this child? if the father doesn't want the child he should have the right just as the mother if this child should be delivered or not. If the mother wants it then he shouldn't have a hand in any of this and thus renouncing his rights as a father which is referred to as male abortion.

The sentence was a bit fcked up, I meant that women have more rights on pregnancy (justified). Lol

Yeah, the father works and supports his child but how does that come close to the bond of mother and child? And I don't know where you live but here where I live women do not need their husbands during pregnancy they get support from the state. So logically during the 9months the man is working for himself. What's coming after pregnancy comes after pregnancy and from that point they can have a equal right on the fate or their child.

But pregnancy goes to the mother, absolutley.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

This comment is full of bias. Yes because that's his eed. How can you say a man has no say it what he helped to create and then all of sudden give him rights? That fact that you agree that he should pay child support if doesn't want the child even though he shouldn't have rights shows how bias this argument is

Child Support is still paid after pregnancy. Once starting to pay for the child he has the rights yes, because the kid is not inside of another persons' body. Talking about Bias, yeah. The life of the child is connected to the mother, not to the father.

 

[ComplexCity]

Child Support is still paid after pregnancy. Once starting to pay for the child he has the rights yes, because the kid is not inside of another persons' body. Talking about Bias, yeah. The life of the child is connected to the mother, not to the father.

1. It doesn't matter when it's paid. Whether or not child support is paid, the child is till the fathers responsibility but according to you the father doesn't have rights. Right here you are making zero sense

2. Child support isn't paid until the child is born and I have never heard anything otherwise.

3. The father helped create the life so how is that being biased? You've done nothing to refute my previous post as well and are making statements that contradict your posts and logic. If a mother has all the rights to her child because it's her body then you should agree that the father role should be relinquished (meaning DNA test should be worthless)

 

[CrimsonReaper]

The sentence was a bit fcked up, I meant that women have more rights on pregnancy (justified). Lol

Yeah, the father works and supports his child but how does that come close to the bond of mother and child? And I don't know where you live but here where I live women do not need their husbands during pregnancy they get support from the state. So logically during the 9months the man is working for himself. What's coming after pregnancy comes after pregnancy and from that point they can have a equal right on the fate or their child.

But pregnancy goes to the mother, absolutley.

A father should have the right to pay or not to pay for child support if he didn't want the baby. When it comes to abortion i think it's the mother's choice since it's her body however abortion should only be okay in the first trimester, if there's an ominous risk for the mother's life, rape, birth defects or mental health, otherwise i believe the mother should take full responsibility for her latter and inconsideration. This isn't about her body anymore it's about a human life that is incapable of supporting itself.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

1. It doesn't matter when it's paid. Whether or not child support is paid, the child is till the fathers responsibility but according to you the father doesn't have rights. Right here you are making zero sense

2. Child support isn't paid until the child is born and I have never heard anything otherwise.

3. The father helped create the life so how is that being biased? You've done nothing to refute my previous post as well and are making statements that contradict your posts and logic. If a mother has all the rights to her child because it's her body then you should agree that the father role should be relinquished (meaning DNA test should be worthless)

Dude. I'm like really done with this. I'm bias in your eyes and you are bias in my eyes. Your sweet tries to debunk everything I say is not working. Everything you try to say was already said by a moslem Family with a gay son. The father refused to pay child support once the son wanted to leave his home. But child support is deeply rooted in our syetem, using it to support anything isn't working.

And yes child support is paid after pregnancy,women in my country are getting some sort of paid vacation while pregnancy.

The father did nothing but put his penis into a vagina. Like srsly? How can you measure equality in this when someone had fun making a kid and the other one has to suffer from it for upcoming months?

 

[The Necromancer]

And without her eggs, his sperm is unproductive.

Point is, the sum effort of his role is miniscule compared to the nine months of pain and strain she endures. Not to mention that it's her body; how would you like if it I walked up to you and told you what to do with your own body?

"You're not having that operation Prince Lucifer, because I don't want you to."
"You're not allowed to get piercings or tattoos Prince Lucifer, because I said so."
"You're going to go out and exercise NOW, because I've told you to."
"You're going to do everything I say, because I rule your body."


Not nice, eh?

What about,

"I'm killing your child because I don't want to care about it for only 9 months?"

 

[Michelle]

Brain manipulation from school? Really? Aren't they manipulated by the media's biases towards men? And what points have they exactly made other than 9 Months of Pain negates the man's right or a scenario that has 50/50 percent happening, they even go as far as claiming the man's seed is minuscule when fact is, without the man's seed there would be fertilizing of the eggs.

Of course the media manipulation is very strong too. That doesn't change that your pov came for manipulation too. No offense, just your argument based of the consideretion of one cell is extreme. I cannot agree with extreme feminism too. Things are more balanced. No man, no child. No woman, no child. But 50/50 rights in uterus life is too much to say just with your argument. The equal rights come just from equal implication.
Do you know why we human don't have kids like an amoeba?

It's not just a woman's body, it's also the life of a child. Saying that it's just the woman's body trivializes the conversation and decreases its true weight just so it's convenient for you to believe in what you believe without guilt.

This is true.

....
Better use a condom next time.

Of course that is way better than abortion.

What about,

"I'm killing your child because I don't want to care about it for only 9 months?"

What about born and raise my child because i had a little fun and you were stupid and trusted me?

Let's not change the debate with this kind of "logic"

 

[demon of the leaf]

But if she doesn't want the child because of the burden of pregnancy? That's like saying: yeah waste 9 months of your life filled with pain so you just can give it to me. That's nonsense as well.

Then she has no busness having *** in the first place if she dont want those 9 months i myself would take resposiblity and take care of the kid reguardless wether she wanted the kid or not if she dont want the kid she can leave after its all said and donewith the 9 months to me all life is presious the fact that you would compare a new born life to a parasite is complete nonsense a humans life does not compare to that of a parasites life