[Debate] If Abortion Isnt Murder Why Are Killers Charged With Double Homicide?

[demon of the leaf]

But if she doesn't want the child because of the burden of pregnancy? That's like saying: yeah waste 9 months of your life filled with pain so you just can give it to me. That's nonsense as well.

Then she has no busness having *** if she dont want to waste time for 9 months because of an oops then you reap the consiquences and decide if you want to stay together if both dont want the kid then its fine before a certain time

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

The argument isn't that simple because another body is involved. The my body logic can apply to aborting a child 8 months into pregnancy. Obviously they don't do that but the argument still applies. I agree it's more of her decision but it's not as black and white as you think.

I do not say that the woman has 100% rights.
I was just saying she holds more weight than the man in terms of pregnancy. Looking at this from a religious standpoint heaven is under the mother's feet. You are waaay much morr doomed if you break yourmother's heart than your fathers.

 

[ComplexCity]

I do not say that the woman has 100% rights.
I was just saying she holds more weight than the man in terms of pregnancy. Looking at this from a religious standpoint heaven is under the mother's feet. You are waaay much morr doomed if you break yourmother's heart than your fathers.

What does it matter the percentage of the man if his view won't be considered? It's either it will or it will not happen

 

[FreakensteinAG]

The woman's body is part of the conversation, it is not the entire conversation. It is only one thing that is taken into consideration. When you make it the ONLY thing that's taken into consideration, then your viewpoint cannot be part of the conversation, as the conversation is about something far greater.

What you're doing is the equivalent of looking a case where someone murdered in self defense, ignoring the self-defense part, focusing entirely on there being a murder, and saying they should go to jail.

It is absolutely important to look at all perspectives of a case. It's not my fault we were only considering the OP's "is it double homicide or not"? topic of abortion :|

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

But no punishment for her allowing him to not wear a condom. It takes two to make a child.

That was a troll comment, I mean i made so many comments now and no one cared, now I trolled and everyone is attackint me xD

 

[Punk Hazard]

It is absolutely important to look at all perspectives of a case. It's not my fault we were only considering the OP's "is it double homicide or not"? topic of abortion :|

Which is exactly why "It's the woman's body" is inherently flawed.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

I do not say that the woman has 100% rights.

Nah, it's her body. So her decision.

I must be imagining this.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

What does it matter the percentage of the man if his view won't be considered? It's either it will or it will not happen

His view will not be considered because as already stated above, our System gave us free will and the right to decide on our own body.

Pregnancy is nothing but a parasitic relationship for 9 months. It's the woman that has to endure not the man.

I mean that's our system. I'm just telling you how the see it.

Man can say that he wants the child, it will be considered by the woman. But not by law.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

I do not say that the woman has 100% rights.
I was just saying she holds more weight than the man in terms of pregnancy. Looking at this from a religious standpoint heaven is under the mother's feet. You are waaay much morr doomed if you break yourmother's heart than your fathers.

seriously, you're justifying what you're saying by religion? both partners should have equal rights regarding their child's fate.

 

[ComplexCity]

It is absolutely important to look at all perspectives of a case. It's not my fault we were only considering the OP's "is it double homicide or not"? topic of abortion :|

So again, why doesn't the man have a say if he helped to create potential life?

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

I must be imagining this.

Having 100 rights on your body? Yes.
100 rights of a creature created by two? No.

 

[ComplexCity]

His view will not be considered because as already stated above, our System gave us free will and the right to decide on our own body.

Pregnancy is nothing but a parasitic relationship for 9 months. It's the woman that has to endure not the man.

I mean that's our system. I'm just telling you how the see it.

Man can say that he wants the child, it will be considered by the woman. But not by law.

You didn't logically answer my previous question. If that's the case, then why does our system burden the father with child support if he has not a say in what he aided in creating if he decides to bounce?

 

[FreakensteinAG]

So again, why doesn't the man have a say if he helped to create potential life?

To be honest, now that Riker has pointed out that I wasn't looking at the whole picture, even though I thought I was, now I don't even know.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

seriously, you're justifying what you're saying by religion? both partners should have equal rights regarding their child's fate.

Yeah, I'm doing so and?
Even Religion is on my side.

That's now.. Wait.
Religion and our Law.

What do you more need To understand that the woman holds more weight on pregnancy?

Edit: I see you just came here. Frankenstein and I shared more arguments that are not given on religious terms. Read them

 

[ComplexCity]

Having 100 rights on your body? Yes.
100 rights of a creature created by two? No.

Umm your latter statement is literally the opposite of what in reality happens. If the woman doesn't want the baby, she can get an abortion whether the guy agrees or not

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

You didn't logically answer my previous question. If that's the case, then why does our system burden the father with child support if he has not a say in what he aided in creating if he decides to bounce?

Child Support takes place after pregnancy. And from this point on he should have equal rights on the fate of his child. It doesn't reall matter if he wanted that child or not.

Better use a condom next time.

 

[ComplexCity]

To be honest, now that Riker has pointed out that I wasn't looking at the whole picture, even though I thought I was, now I don't even know.

I can say that's something he and I can completely agree with. I get your point of view but to discards the man's involvement is what he said, bias. He used an excellent example earlier. The sole reason I don't agree with abortion anyway is because of the potential life of the child

 

[ComplexCity]

Child Support takes place after pregnancy. And from this point on he should have equal rights on the fate of his child. It doesn't reall matter if he wanted that child or not.

Better use a condom next.

Faulty logic is faulty so we can just drop his rights and then give it back to him of all sudden?

I call bull

And to your latter comment, so what if the woman decides to get prego and then say never mind?

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Umm your latter statement is literally the opposite of what in reality happens. If the woman doesn't want the baby, she can get an abortion whether the guy agrees or not

What in reality happens differs from what I see is moraly right.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Yeah, I'm doing so and?
Even Religion is on my side.

That's now.. Wait.
Religion and our Law.

What do you more need To understand that the woman holds more weight on pregnancy?

you're saying religion is on your side, but religion condemns abortion. What exactly is your point the fetus belongs to the father as much as it belongs to the mother. it's an other entity living inside her you can't just kill it and then rapidly dismiss the fact that it is a murder by saying it's her right?