[Debate] If Abortion Isnt Murder Why Are Killers Charged With Double Homicide?

[BlacLord™]

So? Each party plays a role, If it wasn't for his sperm, she would be carrying nothing.

So? The worth of his sperm is only equal to her eggs, without which, there wouldn't be anything either.

It's what comes after that counts, the pregnancy; nothing on the father's part, but everything onto the mother.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

So? The worth of his sperm is only equal to her eggs, without which, there wouldn't be anything either.

It's what comes after that counts, the pregnancy; nothing on the father's part, but everything onto the mother.

Like I said each party plays a role, and without his sperm those eggs are unproductive..

 

[Prince Lucifer]

What I'm saying is women always get over the man in these situations because of bias and the selfish nature of this society.

I know, I have no problem with women rights but for society to claim women alone has rights to the baby which is the result of TWO members and not ONE, is biased towards the other member(the male).

 

[Marin]

This is dictated by ones worldview. In my eyes it is a down right murder. The worst kind at it.

Something I find terribly disgusting and would allow only in the worst case scenarios.

 

[BlacLord™]

Like I said every party plays a role, and without his sperm those eggs are unproductive..

And without her eggs, his sperm is unproductive.

Point is, the sum effort of his role is miniscule compared to the nine months of pain and strain she endures. Not to mention that it's her body; how would you like if it I walked up to you and told you what to do with your own body?

"You're not having that operation Prince Lucifer, because I don't want you to."
"You're not allowed to get piercings or tattoos Prince Lucifer, because I said so."
"You're going to go out and exercise NOW, because I've told you to."
"You're going to do everything I say, because I rule your body."


Not nice, eh?

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Because it was against the woman's will?

 

[-immortal-]

I really don't give a shit if abortion is murder or not. If you don't want a kid why bring it to a hells life?

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Isn't that biased? It takes both members to have the kid, the woman didn't make herself pregnant.

It's really not. It's her body. All the man did was deposit his seed, and this is coming from a man.

It depends is it a bunch of cells or a human being?

Until the end of the first trimester, it's mostly just "a bunch of cells". There are no specialized tissues, organs, or structures developed yet (besides the ectoderm, mesoderm, and endoderm).

 

[Prince Lucifer]

And without her eggs, his sperm is unproductive.

Point is, the sum effort of his role is miniscule compared to the nine months of pain and strain she endures. Not to mention that it's her body; how would you like if it I walked up to you and told you what to do with your own body?

"You're not having that operation Prince Lucifer, because I don't want you to."
"You're not allowed to get piercings or tattoos Prince Lucifer, because I said so."
"You're going to go out and exercise NOW, because I've told you to.

Not nice, eh?

How is it minuscule? Without him, there would be no sperm to fertilize the women's eggs,
true, it's her body, but it's HIS sperm that becomes the baby, you're essentially calling an apple seed irrelevant, without the apple seed, there would be no apple tree! the Baby doesn't belong to the woman, it's the fruition of the sperm that belongs to THE FATHER. so that argument doesn't work, because that sperm is not hers.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

How is it minuscule? Without him, there would be no sperm to fertilize the women's eggs,
true, it's her body, but it's HIS sperm that becomes the baby, you're essentially calling an apple seed irrelevant, without the apple seed, there would be no apple tree! the Baby doesn't belong to the woman, it's the fruition of the sperm that belongs to THE FATHER. so that argument doesn't work, because that sperm is not hers.

Yes, fertilization is the result of both the man and the woman's follicles. No, the man does not have equal say. The woman is the one who has the burden of carrying and nurturing the baby, ergo, she has the full rights as to the fate of the embryo. The man, other than depositing his seed, does jack squat afterwards. End of story.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

Yes, fertilization is the result of both the man and the woman's follicles. No, the man does not have equal say. The woman is the one who has the burden of carrying and nurturing the baby, ergo, she has the full rights as to the fate of the embryo. The man, other than depositing his seed, does jack squat afterwards. End of story.

Without the sperm from the Dad, the woman would be carrying nothing, how is simple logic so hard to grasp?

 

[DominiqueX]

Some people on NB.. as always.
:wesobi:

 

[Claymantan]

I know, I have no problem with women rights but for society to claim women alone has rights to the baby which is the result of TWO members and not ONE, is biased towards the other member(the male).

Your argument failed to address an issue that was brought up earlier. Sperm and egg have equal value in contributing to fertilization, but the consequences of fertilization are monumentally heaped upon the mother. Aside from having to be pregnant for nine months, she might encounter complications during the actual birth, from having to take some kind of prescribed medication, to surgery, to the trauma of miscarriage, to death. Birth also changes a woman's body afterwards.

All this because a man deposited some sperm and feels like he wants it to come to fruition? It should not even be held equal to, much less override, the woman's right to decide what happens to her body.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Without the sperm from the Dad, the woman would be carrying nothing, how is simple logic so hard to grasp?

Lmao this is your only counter and you used it now like thousand of times. Again now stop being a sexist and accept that the man just "planted" the seed and started to live his daily life. Whike the woman has to carry another being inside her for 9 months.

She suffers emotionally and physically while the dude is drinking his beer in thw living room.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

Your argument failed to address an issue that was brought up earlier. Sperm and egg have equal value, but the consequences of fertilization are monumentally heaped upon the mother. Aside from having to be pregnant for nine months, she might encounter complications during the actual birth, from having to take some kind of prescribed medication, to surgery, to the trauma of miscarriage, to death. Birth also changes a woman's body afterwards.

All this because a man deposited some sperm and feels like he wants it to come to fruition? It should not even be held equal to, much less override, the woman's right to decide what happens to her body.

So what? That doesn't negate the facts I presented, what argument do you use on women who did not suffer the conditions you just described, the woman has rights to her body but not the sperm.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Without the sperm from the Dad, the woman would be carrying nothing, how is simple logic so hard to grasp?

Father's sperm contributing to conception of embryo =/= equal rights to termination of the embryo. How is simple logic so hard to grasp?

Lmao this is your only counter and you used it now like thousand of times. Again now stop being a sexist and accept that the man just "planted" the seed and started to live his daily life. Whike the woman has to carry another being inside her for 9 months.

She suffers emotionally and physically while the dude is drinking his beer in thw living room.

Woah, you call him sexist while you resort to stereotyping of fathers :|

 

[Claymantan]

So what? That doesn't negate the facts I presented, what argument do you use on women who did not suffer the conditions you just described, the woman has rights to her body but not the sperm.

If you can find a way for the fetus to be carried to term by someone other than the mother after the egg is fertilized in utero, without causing invasive surgery or undue harm and trauma to the mother against her will, then by all means, let the husband have his "sperm" back. Otherwise, you have no argument.

Additionally, the sperm you're hung up on no longer exists at this point. Just because you fertilized an egg doesn't give you the right to it. This is why without modifying contracts such as marriage or surrogacy, the mother has dominance over what happens to the fetus, because her body is literally the reason that that fetus is alive. There is nothing that the father owns in this scenario without some kind of contract stating that he does. This is generally why fathers have to fight for any kind of custody rights in cases of illegitimate birth.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

Lmao this is your only counter and you used it now like thousand of times. Again now stop being a sexist and accept that the man just "planted" the seed and started to live his daily life. Whike the woman has to carry another being inside her for 9 months.

She suffers emotionally and physically while the dude is drinking his beer in thw living room.

Am I sexist? When did I ever speak against either ***? Surely you recognized my comment that ''Each party plays a role'' does that sound sexist? You're being biased against men, Lol..

Whole the woman has to carry another being inside her for 9 months.

She suffers emotionally and physically while the dude is drinking his beer in thw living room.

Key Note, ANOTHER BEING..

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

So what? That doesn't negate the facts I presented, what argument do you use on women who did not suffer the conditions you just described, the woman has rights to her body but not the sperm.

Once inside her body it is her embryo.
And since it is in her body, it is also a part of her body.
Thus her decision.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

Father's sperm contributing to conception of embryo =/= equal rights to termination of the embryo. How is simple logic so hard to grasp?

Why doesn't the dad have a right?