[Question] Zoro stronger than Luffy?

[sravan]

I never read something like that.
But for every op reader it should be clear that luffy is stronger than zorro.some fanboys may disagree and come up with an excuse(zorro never went all out).
But yes i do believe that zorro has other levels but there is gap between them...
Hope oda brings zorro's ashura again into play

 

[KingHashirama]

Databook confirms sabo as dead when the big man himself avoids the question in an sbs say8" I leave that to your imagination " and even though it can provide some accurate info like minor names of some character that still doesn't mean it is consistent . And yes, it is nothing but an opinion if oda hadn't wrote it

If you consider the databook canon for that reason the. You might as well use feats from strong world. It has his name for marketing which alot of people don't seem to understand

I would consider the Strong world to be canon, if it had to do with the manga. But sadly does not. Its just another crappy movies derived off of the anime. A databook however, isn't.

In databook one of Naruto, Hiruzen is called the strongest Hokage.. due to the manga at that time claiming or having the "Hype" of him as the strongest hokage. However, with the introduction and more information on the other Hokage.. this was never later used in other databooks.

Sabo in the manga was believed to be dead. It wasn't until we saw him comeback, that it was confirmed that he survived. Do understand, that the databook is based off of the manga. SBS are tricky, as sometimes Oda is goofing around with the questions, and sometimes he is serious.

Databook as I said, is made not for a "merchandise" But to expand the world of One piece and go into depth regarding the systems. Hell even the world government hierarchy was confirmed in the Databook.. and not in the manga. If it was solely the manga, there would be too many speculations as to who is ranked where in the World Government. Databook put that to rest.

 

[Insidious Smile]

Databooks are far from your "general opinions". The content is confirmed and approved by the big man himself. Databooks are a way to give the readers more info and outlook into the world.

The databook does not state "Luffy = Zoro". Period.

Fact is Luffy > Zoro.

I think with asura he can, but with current feats no

Why do nearly most Zoro fans say "with Asura Zoro can do this and that"? They say it as if Asura is a godly technique that can destroy universes.

 

[Lawlermelon]

I'd say that EOS Luffy will only be a little stronger than EOS Zoro but if they were to all out fight against each other that Zoro would beat Luffy.

 

[ssjelf]

Why do nearly most Zoro fans say "with Asura Zoro can do this and that"? They say it as if Asura is a godly technique that can destroy universes.

Because it is like zoros second gear if you will. And the heck does what I said have to do with me being a zoro fan or not. Its just the facts. Zoro hasn't shown his most powerful technique since the timeskip. It would be like if luffy hadn't shown gear 2 since the time skip.

I should clarify before you start assuming here, my statement wasn't that zoro could compete with G4, it was that zoro could compete with G2 and G3 in asura.

 

[ToshiZO]

Because it is like zoros second gear if you will. And the heck does what I said have to do with me being a zoro fan or not. Its just the facts. Zoro hasn't shown his most powerful technique since the timeskip. It would be like if luffy hadn't shown gear 2 since the time skip.

I should clarify before you start assuming here, my statement wasn't that zoro could compete with G4, it was that zoro could compete with G2 and G3 in asura.

That is absurd.

 

[ssjelf]

That is absurd.

No, no it really isn't. The strength gap between zoro and luffy is mainly because of G4. Up until doffy, zoro could beat any opponent luffy did and thats without asura. Look at g3 destructive power, it blew off picas heads, zoro did a similar feat by cutting pica into pieces.

In the speed game, g2 speed isnt much greater than zoros speed. Zoro was able to cut pica into dozens of pieces and hop between the rocks and then finish off pica all while the stones were still in the air. He blitzed hody under water, and saved robin from a point blank range slash from that octopus guy, The slashing speed of shi shi son son is nigh on instant and caught kuma off guard and pre time skip was able to dodge kumas paw paw blasts which were said to move at light speed although he was probably predicting their paths and moving before they fired.

In more offensive power, luffy cant block slashing attacking let alone haki covered ones, zoro can block or slash the punches luffy throws and will only get hit if he loses in speed by a lot which I cant see happening. Zoro has great observation haki, having sensed vergo on punk hazard, sensed the dwarf, found where pica was when he popped up in his giant statue, Im pretty sure this can help mitigate the speed difference.

and keep in mind this is all pre asura, his stats only get bigger in it.

 

[ToshiZO]

No, no it really isn't. The strength gap between zoro and luffy is mainly because of G4. Up until doffy, zoro could beat any opponent luffy did and thats without asura. Look at g3 destructive power, it blew off picas heads, zoro did a similar feat by cutting pica into pieces.

In the speed game, g2 speed isnt much greater than zoros speed. Zoro was able to cut pica into dozens of pieces and hop between the rocks and then finish off pica all while the stones were still in the air. He blitzed hody under water, and saved robin from a point blank range slash from that octopus guy, The slashing speed of shi shi son son is nigh on instant and caught kuma off guard and pre time skip was able to dodge kumas paw paw blasts which were said to move at light speed although he was probably predicting their paths and moving before they fired.

In more offensive power, luffy cant block slashing attacking let alone haki covered ones, zoro can block or slash the punches luffy throws and will only get hit if he loses in speed by a lot which I cant see happening. Zoro has great observation haki, having sensed vergo on punk hazard, sensed the dwarf, found where pica was when he popped up in his giant statue, Im pretty sure this can help mitigate the speed difference.

and keep in mind this is all pre asura, his stats only get bigger in it.

Huh?

I said its absurd that Asura is what allows Zoro to compete with G2/G3 Luffy.

That implies Zoro already doesn't compete with G2/3 Luffy, which in this post you clearly agree he does. So obviously Asura brings him up to the next level.

 

[ssjelf]

Huh?

I said its absurd that Asura is what allows Zoro to compete with G2/G3 Luffy.

That implies Zoro already doesn't compete with G2/3 Luffy, which in this post you clearly agree he does. So obviously Asura brings him up to the next level.

Ah my bad.

I would say he competes without it, but I am not sure how much further asura brings him. It might let him beat G2/G3 but I have no evidence to say that it will because we haven't seen it, so it is lowball estimates on my end here.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Huh?

I said its absurd that Asura is what allows Zoro to compete with G2/G3 Luffy.

That implies Zoro already doesn't compete with G2/3 Luffy, which in this post you clearly agree he does. So obviously Asura brings him up to the next level.

What has zoro shown to put him above the gear 2nd gear 3rd luffy?
Even if at best zoro had gear 3rd strength he couldn't catch pica for almost third of an arc ... Gear second is faster then that also what would he do if luffy did gear 2 and then do to zoro what he did with the Moa boat ? Lol

I mean personally even though I do not rank them that low (I tbhknk there is a 2 tier difference between luffy and zoro/sanj.. Neither have shown shit during time skip (well Sanji showing that he's as fast if not faster then gear 2nd so tech he does have a feat

Neither of them show to have what it takes to actually even remotely put luffy down (prior gear 4th) together they would be seed of gear 2nd power of gear 3rd team up

Sanji can hold luffy down in combat by cutting him off every turn hopefully enough time to have zoro hit him with a hit etc.

 

[Insidious Smile]

Because it is like zoros second gear if you will. And the heck does what I said have to do with me being a zoro fan or not. Its just the facts. Zoro hasn't shown his most powerful technique since the timeskip. It would be like if luffy hadn't shown gear 2 since the time skip.

I should clarify before you start assuming here, my statement wasn't that zoro could compete with G4, it was that zoro could compete with G2 and G3 in asura.

Except Asura is not a mode, and from what was shown in the manga, Asura wares off after one attack. Knowing that Asura is NOT a mode, and that it wares off after one attack, Asura Zoro can't possibly compete with G2/G4 Luffy, let alone G4 Luffy.

Do you seriously believe that Luffy will stand like a complete buffoon and tank an attack of Asura Zoro? No.

No, no it really isn't. The strength gap between zoro and luffy is mainly because of G4. Up until doffy, zoro could beat any opponent luffy did and thats without asura. Look at g3 destructive power, it blew off picas heads, zoro did a similar feat by cutting pica into pieces.

In the speed game, g2 speed isnt much greater than zoros speed. Zoro was able to cut pica into dozens of pieces and hop between the rocks and then finish off pica all while the stones were still in the air. He blitzed hody under water, and saved robin from a point blank range slash from that octopus guy, The slashing speed of shi shi son son is nigh on instant and caught kuma off guard and pre time skip was able to dodge kumas paw paw blasts which were said to move at light speed although he was probably predicting their paths and moving before they fired.

In more offensive power, luffy cant block slashing attacking let alone haki covered ones, zoro can block or slash the punches luffy throws and will only get hit if he loses in speed by a lot which I cant see happening. Zoro has great observation haki, having sensed vergo on punk hazard, sensed the dwarf, found where pica was when he popped up in his giant statue, Im pretty sure this can help mitigate the speed difference.

and keep in mind this is all pre asura, his stats only get bigger in it.

Where do I begin with this wall of words? LOL

• How do you know G2 Luffy's speed is not greater than Zoro's speed feat?
• Zoro jumped "between the rocks"? In the anime; Anime in NOT canon!
• The slashing speed of "Shi shi Son son" is not instantaneous.
• You can't use the word "probably" in a discussion which requires manga fact to prove your point.
• Luffy can't block slashing attacks | Assuming Luffy would get hit with a slashing attack.
• Zoro can block Luffy's punches | Assuming Zoro can keep up with Luffy's speed.
• Zoro is not tanking King Kong Gun or Lion Bazooka.
• Zoro's CoO is average from what was shown in the manga.

:lol

 

[ToshiZO]

What has zoro shown to put him above the gear 2nd gear 3rd luffy?
Even if at best zoro had gear 3rd strength he couldn't catch pica for almost third of an arc ... Gear second is faster then that also what would he do if luffy did gear 2 and then do to zoro what he did with the Moa boat ? Lol

I mean personally even though I do not rank them that low (I tbhknk there is a 2 tier difference between luffy and zoro/sanj.. Neither have shown shit during time skip (well Sanji showing that he's as fast if not faster then gear 2nd so tech he does have a feat

Neither of them show to have what it takes to actually even remotely put luffy down (prior gear 4th) together they would be seed of gear 2nd power of gear 3rd team up

Sanji can hold luffy down in combat by cutting him off every turn hopefully enough time to have zoro hit him with a hit etc.

Lmao cause Zoro needs to move as fast as Luffy does to be able to put up a fight?

It's called reaction speed, and Zoro has elite reaction speed. He will have no problem keeping up with G2 Luffy's speed he isn't cannon fodder here. Pre timeskip he was keeping up with a pretty fast Soru user as well, despite Kaku beating him out in movement speed. [

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Now if Luffy was running away sure Zoro wouldn't be able to keep up, but as long as Luffy is attacking Zoro he'll be fine.

G3 would be the death of Luffy, go right ahead and send a slow ass fist Zoro's way so he can slice it in two. He has already shown a city level attack when he cut Pica in half, so he sure as hell doesn't lack in the destructive capacity department either.

And don't lump Zoro together up with Sanji, Sanji doesn't even have the feats to say he can beat Sai let alone Zoro. The only thing keeping Sanji relevant right now is his pre timeskip Portrayal alongside Zoro. Current Feats they aren't close.

 

[Wes Sine]

I was gona read the thread but then I saw who posted it...

 

[Venomous Cobra]

I would consider the Strong world to be canon, if it had to do with the manga. But sadly does not. Its just another crappy movies derived off of the anime. A databook however, isn't.

You were just using oda's approval as an argument of it being canon though....

In databook one of Naruto, Hiruzen is called the strongest Hokage.. due to the manga at that time claiming or having the "Hype" of him as the strongest hokage. However, with the introduction and more information on the other Hokage.. this was never later used in other databooks.

That;s naruto.

Sabo in the manga was believed to be dead. It wasn't until we saw him comeback, that it was confirmed that he survived. Do understand, that the databook is based off of the manga. SBS are tricky, as sometimes Oda is goofing around with the questions, and sometimes he is serious.

Oda avoided it knowing about the entire situation while the databook ignored that and confirmed him as dead, Sabo was believe to be dead but was never confirmed to be. Meaning they made a fact based on a speculation which oda had purposely avoided making

Databook as I said, is made not for a "merchandise" But to expand the world of One piece and go into depth regarding the systems. Hell even the world government hierarchy was confirmed in the Databook..and not in the manga. If it was solely the manga, there would be too many speculations as to who is ranked where in the World Government. Databook put that to rest.

This was confirmed in an SBS as well thus it's irrelevant.

 

[ssjelf]

Except Asura is not a mode, and from what was shown in the manga, Asura wares off after one attack. Knowing that Asura is NOT a mode, and that it wares off after one attack, Asura Zoro can't possibly compete with G2/G4 Luffy, let alone G4 Luffy.

Do you seriously believe that Luffy will stand like a complete buffoon and tank an attack of Asura Zoro? No.



Where do I begin with this wall of words? LOL

• How do you know G2 Luffy's speed is not greater than Zoro's speed feat?
• Zoro jumped "between the rocks"? In the anime; Anime in NOT canon!
• The slashing speed of "Shi shi Son son" is not instantaneous.
• You can't use the word "probably" in a discussion which requires manga fact to prove your point.
• Luffy can't block slashing attacks | Assuming Luffy would get hit with a slashing attack.
• Zoro can block Luffy's punches | Assuming Zoro can keep up with Luffy's speed.
• Zoro is not tanking King Kong Gun or Lion Bazooka.
• Zoro's CoO is average from what was shown in the manga.

:lol

It is a mode, dunno where you get the idea it isn't. It fades out cuz the fight ends.

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Never said that...

He got to pica somehow, he certainly didn't fly. Also it's in there, look closer on the right side he is jumping off falling rocks

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Every time he uses it he essentially teleports.

Ok fine, zoro is ftl then. Trying to hold his feats back here but you don't want me to ok...

Attacking zoro with something like elephant gun would lead to his arm being cut in half. That's what I meant.

He can

Wtf, stay on topic, this was g2/G3 luffy vs zoro not G4

Average hahha good joke. He has great CoO, he tracked and sensed a lot of things that were fast moving, hidden and far way, I listed examples,

 

[KingHashirama]

The databook does not state "Luffy = Zoro". Period.

Fact is Luffy > Zoro.



Why do nearly most Zoro fans say "with Asura Zoro can do this and that"? They say it as if Asura is a godly technique that can destroy universes.

Databook said something along the lines of them being shoulder to shoulder, or something in that aspect.

Luffy > Zoro , is common sense, just like Goku > Vegeta, Naruto > Sasuke.. and etc and etc.

However, as far as being shoulder to shoulder goes, their little mini-fight at the start of the series, pretty much set that up. Then the connection of the Dark King and Pirate King sets it up again. Since I never claimed they were equals in a fight, I assume you were talking about my statement of " that they were equal in prowess". In that aspect, they will be equals in prowess, as will represent the best in their fighting style Swordsmanship vs Brawler.

You were just using oda's approval as an argument of it being canon though....

That;s naruto.

Oda avoided it knowing about the entire situation while the databook ignored that and confirmed him as dead, Sabo was believe to be dead but was never confirmed to be. Meaning they made a fact based on a speculation which oda had purposely avoided making

This was confirmed in an SBS as well thus it's irrelevant.

Yes Oda's approval of a book, that is connected to his manga and talks about the universe of his manga. Not side projects based around his manga. Theres a huge difference between the 2.

That's pretty much most mangakas + book writers, who use "databooks".. not just Naruto. As Databooks are used by mangakas to expand/explain their universe in-depth, that they might not be able to within the manga..


You sound like one of the Hiruzen fanboys, who used to go on about "but databook says Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage", Simply because they don't understand how a Databook works. If the databook says "Sabo's whereabouts are unknown", thus he is alive. "What happened to Sabo, is unknown..."... thus he is alive. Anything other than saying he is dead, would've just meant hes alive. And that pretty much takes out the suspense factor. The Databook is what it is, until proven otherwise by the manga. And thats it. I assume you do realize that Oda did want to make the reader think sabo was dead right?


Can you show me the Sbs, where it defined the structure of the WG?

 

[ToshiZO]

Lmao this man snuck in a Naruto > Sasuke in there.

 

[A v i]

The databook does not state "Luffy = Zoro". Period.

Fact is Luffy > Zoro.

True, but it says they're on par as in they're pretty close to each other.

Why do nearly most Zoro fans say "with Asura Zoro can do this and that"? They say it as if Asura is a godly technique that can destroy universes.

Because it's common sense, Zoro has yet to use his pre skip most powerful mode, Yet his attack power already exceeds that of pre gear 4 Luffy. Therefore, if Zoro in base can do this much, then something like asura must be able to perform much better considering the fact that the power of asura far exceeds that of base Zoro.

 

[Love Cook]

Drop the databooks already, Oda has nothing to do with them, he just sends in some behind the scenes stuff. Written by shonen jump editors. (Check the flap on the first page, where credits are listed) Besides the Zoro standing shoulder to shoulder with Luffy quote is who knows how many years old.

Anyone who says Zoro is anywhere near Luffy in G4 needs to get submitted to a mental hospital. If that was truly the case then it is on him that he didn't deal with the situation more earlier on Dressrosa. And people speculating about future Asura Zoro is also bullshit because Luffy will also have a future mode to go up against yonkou, so you can circle jerk all the way to Raftel and come to the conclusion Luffy is the strongest.

Of course Oda approves the databooks, doesn't mean he reads them from top to bottom because their have been plenty of mistakes in them. About Sabo, about Ace and about Whitebeard. Those are of the top of my head I'm sure there are more. And if there is one thing I know for sure is that Oda might make 1 mistake but he doesn't make the same mistake twice. And the databooks are just some extra merchandise to rake some more cash in. They're not additional info to the manga. As canon as the Oda approved One Piece calendars.

If Oda wanted to make the reader believe Sabo was dead, why did he hinted that Dragon saved him in the flashback ? Why didn't we see the death in the manga, but just a floating hat, why were there 3 cups at Ace's grave ?

Oda didn't want the reader to think he was dead at all, Sabo being alive was being speculated from the moment he got shot.

 

[Anduril]

Drop the databooks already, Oda has nothing to do with them, he just sends in some behind the scenes stuff. Written by shonen jump editors. (Check the flap on the first page, where credits are listed) Besides the Zoro standing shoulder to shoulder with Luffy quote is who knows how many years old.

Anyone who says Zoro is anywhere near Luffy in G4 needs to get submitted to a mental hospital. If that was truly the case then it is on him that he didn't deal with the situation more earlier on Dressrosa. And people speculating about future Asura Zoro is also bullshit because Luffy will also have a future mode to go up against yonkou, so you can circle jerk all the way to Raftel and come to the conclusion Luffy is the strongest.

Of course Oda approves the databooks, doesn't mean he reads them from top to bottom because their have been plenty of mistakes in them. About Sabo, about Ace and about Whitebeard. Those are of the top of my head I'm sure there are more. And if there is one thing I know for sure is that Oda might make 1 mistake but he doesn't make the same mistake twice. And the databooks are just some extra merchandise to rake some more cash in. They're not additional info to the manga. As canon as the Oda approved One Piece calendars.

If Oda wanted to make the reader believe Sabo was dead, why did he hinted that Dragon saved him in the flashback ? Why didn't we see the death in the manga, but just a floating hat, why were there 3 cups at Ace's grave ?

Oda didn't want the reader to think he was dead at all, Sabo being alive was being speculated from the moment he got shot.

Yeah Bruh I agree, Zoro is stronger than luffy.