3 Tomoe Itachi vs Hiashi Hyuga

[LoZelda101]

Why do you think Itachi can't bypass his Field of Vision?

yeah. The sound 4 ninja and sakura took advantage of the byakugan's blindspot.

itachi will easily take advantage of that with his superior kunai skills.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

yeah. sound 4 and sakura took advantage of the byakugan's blindspot.

itachi will easily take advantage of that with his superior kunai skills.

That doesn't any make sense

 

[NarutoX28]

The two clans have lived near each other for over 100 years and it still remains a clan Secret only known to the Hyuga

Not sure how this is relevant.

Itachi hit a stationary object with no defense

And these summons can be controlled through Nagato, so they're not just stationary objects and this point is irrelevant as you cannot defend against an attack you cannot see, so even opting to form a defense is impossible when you can't even perceive the attack in the first place.

And you're missing a third fact the rinn has shared vision not 360 plus hiashi can 360 plus can sense anything move from 50 metres to 100 metres out

What is that based on? The whole purpose for Shared Vision is to cover areas he cannot see. Kabuto was amazed how Itachi bypassed Shared Vision because he managed to strike their blindspots despite the fact that Nagato could see everything around him.

Nagato's Shared Vision doesn't have a limitation of just 50-100m. His extends much further than that.

 

[neosmith500]

Sharingan does not see chakra build up nor release. They only see the flow and color of chakra as per cannon. Byakugan and sensors are the only ones who can see or sense chakra build up at certain spots with in the body. The Sharingan cannot read when/where chakra will/would be released ever.

Set straight by my own homie lol , ur right , but sharingan precog still anticipates the palm thrust no?

What is that based on? The whole purpose for Shared Vision is to cover areas he cannot see. Kabuto was amazed how Itachi bypassed Shared Vision because he managed to strike their blindspots despite the fact that Nagato could see everything around him.

Nagato's Shared Vision doesn't have a limitation of just 50-100m. His extends much further than that.

Its based on the manga-fact that byakugan sees and "senses " the enemies attacks.

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Every kunai will be accurately percieved and sensed , fact and chakra can be used to compensate for anything his vision may lack.

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[unknownvillain1254]

sasuke didn't see the nanobombs, that was the author simply aiding the reader, explaining sasukles ''eureka moment''.
from sasukes view, his body was ''glowing'' in the same way that the ''invisible cloud'' (of c4) was ''glowing''

sharingan cannot see flow unless they make eye contact (and thats just genjutsu)

sharingan cannot see buildup unless it is a doujutsu or a cloak

externally, sharingan only sees color & neutral glowing

They cant see chakra build even in dosjutus or cloak

 

[BLAZE]

Hyuga>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oro chakra control
Hyuga can see chakra so... Yea gg

How does this post even make sense
Chakra control does not mean you can automatically break genjutsu seen in the case of C who despite of being a medic and genjutsu user and even knowing he is in genjutsu could not break it
Also hiashi has 2 on his genjutsu

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Set straight by my own homie lol , ur right , but sharingan precog still anticipates the palm thrust no?



Its based on the manga-fact that byakugan sees and "senses " the enemies attacks.

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Every kunai will be accurately percieved and sensed , fact and chakra can be used to compensate for anything his vision may lack.

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I actually like debating with you you actually use facts with logical thinking and can admit when you're wrong that's a big man

 

[unknownvillain1254]

How does this post even make sense
Chakra control does not mean you can automatically break genjutsu seen in the case of C who despite of being a medic and genjutsu user and even knowing he is in genjutsu could not break it
Also hiashi has 2 on his genjutsu

There is so much wrong with that statement I don't know where to start

 

[shelke]

Lol obito saw chakra flow which I said he can

Obito is clearly looking at his arm

Chakra Flow is diff from chakra point where the chakra focus into

He's looking at the arm after it has been hit. Sharingan shows the entire flow network; the entirety of it, right down to the last tiny vessel. When the chakra is gathered from that "flow" it would be easily seen as "coloured aura" being directed to a certain path. The Sharingan creates "multi-coloured aura." The Byakugan by contrast offers as more monochromatic colouring from what I have seen, which is why Hinata couldn't discern the exact colour of obito's chakra from the swarm that carries Shino's chakra as well.

He used Kamui and she had no clue when he did or when the chakra build-up occurred:

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No one can simply "vanish." He had to gather and buildup chakra in his eye. She completely missed that. Thus, I am forced to conclude that the shading is monochromatic. That is the only explanation.

 

[Draegod]

He's looking at the arm after it has been hit. Sharingan shows the entire flow network; the entirety of it, right down to the last tiny vessel. When the chakra is gathered from that "flow" it would be easily seen as "coloured aura" being directed to a certain path. The Sharingan creates "multi-coloured aura." The Byakugan by contrast offers as more monochromatic colouring from what I have seen, which is why Hinata couldn't discern the exact colour of obito's chakra from the swarm that carries Shino's chakra as well.

He used Kamui and she had no clue when he did or when the chakra build-up occurred:

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No one can simply "vanish." He had to gather and buildup chakra in his eye. She completely missed that. Thus, I am forced to conclude that the shading is monochromatic. That is the only explanation.

Obito's Kamui is instant as seen when:

1. An elite Sensors couldn't time nor predict when it was being used ever. karin, Fu (danzo's body guard), Cee, Naruto, Minato etc
2. Byakugan has already Cannonly seen the build up and chakra being focused by Shisu's MS in Danzo. And is already Cannonly able to see build up in the chakra network to know when and where attacks are comming from (better/even then Precog)
3. Manga also had to make Obito identity a secret. other wise she would have noted he had sharingan and his face was fuq'd up, in detail to better help decribe him. But because of plot or mayby his mask is spl.

Byakugan is teh only Doujutsu that can see the Chakra network and all activity with in the network such as build up. This is manga fact.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

How does this post even make sense
Chakra control does not mean you can automatically break genjutsu seen in the case of C who despite of being a medic and genjutsu user and even knowing he is in genjutsu could not break it
Also hiashi has 2 on his genjutsu

Who is c

 

[shelke]

sasuke didn't see the nanobombs, that was the author simply aiding the reader, explaining sasukles ''eureka moment''.
from sasukes view, his body was ''glowing'' in the same way that the ''invisible cloud'' (of c4) was ''glowing''

sharingan cannot see flow unless they make eye contact (and thats just genjutsu)

sharingan cannot see buildup unless it is a doujutsu or a cloak

externally, Sharingan only sees color & neutral glowing

Absolutely false. The bombs are invisible, but their chakra makes them visible to the Sharingan. Sasuke saw all of them, as tiny chakra dots travelling through his system. They are on cellular level; they are that small, and Sasuke still saw them through Sharingan because of their distinct chakra colour that was different from his own (the chakra in those tiny bombs gives them shape for the Sharingan to create a perfect image of the bomb).

Sasuke is even shown zooming in to check at celular level; he saw every single one (the manga shows his shocked expression after the zooming-in) of those millions of bombs in his system:

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That is where the main difference happens: The Byakugan can see the coils and the tiny opening points, the Sharingan cannot see the latter; moot point as it could just be Kakashi as I would boldly say that it's just Kakashi. Those chakra points are the size of a needle; Sasuke saw chakra at cellular level. It is safe to guess that an Uchiha can see them.But, they can see where the chakra is flowing or how evenly it is flowing for certainty:

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Madara looking at the flow. The Rinnegan grants no better insight into the chakra system. So, it's safe to assume that it's carrying the Sharingan traits Obito talked about, and with 2 T Sharingan at that:

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So the argument that the Sharingan can see a disturbed flow but not an even flow is absurd and makes no sense at all. Therefore, the Sharingan and Byukugan see the chakra build-up and release differently. Just like the Sage Mode users have their own way of sensing the build up and the release.

Sharingan does not see chakra build up nor release. They only see the flow and color of chakra as per cannon. Byakugan and sensors are the only ones who can see or sense chakra build up at certain spots with in the body. The Sharingan cannot read when/where chakra will/would be released ever.

It gives aura to the released chakra, and sees the entire flow network. All evidence points to the fact that it can, but in a different manner than Byakugan.

 

[shelke]

Obito's Kamui is instant as seen when:

1. An elite Sensors couldn't time nor predict when it was being used ever. karin, Fu (danzo's body guard), Cee, Naruto, Minato etc
2. Byakugan has already Cannonly seen the build up and chakra being focused by Shisu's MS in Danzo. And is already Cannonly able to see build up in the chakra network to know when and where attacks are comming from (better/even then Precog)
3. Manga also had to make Obito identity a secret. other wise she would have noted he had sharingan and his face was fuq'd up, in detail to better help decribe him. But because of plot or mayby his mask is spl.

Byakugan is teh only Doujutsu that can see the Chakra network and all activity with in the network such as build up. This is manga fact.

That is intangibility. Kamui requires the build up. No eye tech is instant if the build-up is factored in. Or are you suggesting that he used Kamui without using Chakra at all? Fact remain, she missed!

Did I say it cannot see the chakra build up? Nope. I said she missed because of the colour range of the Byakugan. The Sharingan can absolutely see the flow. Kakashi, Obio and Sasuke, all confirm it.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

That is intangibility. Kamui requires the build up. No eye tech is instant if the build-up is factored in. Or are you suggesting that he used Kamui without using Chakra at all? Fact remain, she missed!

Did I say it cannot see the chakra build up? Nope. I said she missed because of the colour range of the Byakugan. The Sharingan can absolutely see the flow. Kakashi, Obio and Sasuke, all confirm it.

It can see the chakra flow that's all to see u need to see byakugan chakra point s

 

[shelke]

Can we please get back to the discussion. This thread has turned into Sharingan vs Byakugan. I cast my vote in Hiashi's favour and yet I am arguing for Sharingan. Jesus, people!

It can see the chakra flow that's all to see u need to see byakugan chakra point s

Never made any such claims. But, I would boldly say that it's just Kakashi. Those chakra points are the size of a needle; Sasuke saw chakra at cellular level. It is safe to guess that an Uchiha can see them.

 

[DrProof]

That feeling when Tayuya shits on them both. .

 

[Tyris]

Finger genjutsu works only against fodder like naruto who couldn´t control his chakra because of Kurama vast chakra.Hyugas have best chakra control in manga (together with Tsunade and Sakura) so countering that sh1t is easy.

Byakugan would see through crow genjutsu.

Only sharingan genjutsu will work but it requires direct eye contact.

so was kurama was speaking of a hyuuga,sakura, or tsunade when he said a certain sum1 person had hagoromo level of CC?

 

[shelke]

so was Kurama was speaking of a Hyuuga,sakura, or Tsunade when he said a certain sum1 person had hagoromo level of CC?

I think he meant one of the best. Though I am giving him the benefit of the doubt here.

 

[Tyris]

I think he meant one of the best. Though I am giving him the benefit of the doubt here.

as am i although it seems his words were chosen deliberately.

 

[Eng nawashi]

so was kurama was speaking of a hyuuga,sakura, or tsunade when he said a certain sum1 person had hagoromo level of CC?

But Kakashi was counting the RS needles which is on cellular level .