since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > indra?

[Obito the supreme jin]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

Indra is technically an Oosutsuki but whatevs.

That logic is quite dumb to be honest. Anyone with the Rinnegan does not automatically surpass someone with the MS. It requires skills and genetics to trump the Sharingan if there is a Rinnegan wielder.

Are you trying to tell me Nagato > MS Itachi or Sasuke

 

[DominiqueX]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

A child with a knife is not as/or more powerful as/than a soldier with a pencil. So, no.

 

[itachi4real]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

Yeah, through Deva Path's ability. However, that was thrown out the window....



This is about the superiority of the Rinnegan. The manga express that many times Rinnegan was the superior Doujutsu.

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Nagato possessed the power of the sage but did he show its power to its full extent? No. Only ones capable of showing anywhere close to its true power are madara and sasuke. The sage and kaguya is prolly the only ones who can show its true power. Nagato vs naruto was different as naruto was inexperienced with SM when he fought nagato. That's why the power scaling was different than when Edo nagato fought kcm naruto.

 

[LoZelda101]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

Not at all. Nagato implanted the eye. The Rinnegan's true power can only be displayed by an original user, it's so many times stronger with Madara and Sasuke than it was with Nagato.

Indra is not just any original owner, he is THE original owner of the sharingan, and directly related to the sage with Rikudou Chakra. You can't compare the two.

so then the myth of rinnegan > sharingan doesn't exist. from what you just said, it seems to be from not the user's eyes that determine power but the eyes power is determined by the user. regardless if it's the original uchiha or a descendant

 

[BlacLord™]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

Yeah, through Deva Path's ability. However, that was thrown out the window....



This is about the superiority of the Rinnegan. The manga express that many times Rinnegan was the superior Doujutsu.

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Amaterasu, YT and Susano'o were all effective in countering his Rinnegan. The skills and power of the user are much more important than the eye itself.

It's the difference between sticking a Rinnegan in Iruka's eye, and putting a Sharingan in say... Jiraiya's.

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[itachi4real]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

so then the myth of rinnegan > sharingan doesn't exist. from what you just said, it seems to be from not the user's eyes that determine power but the eyes power is determined by the user. regardless if it's the original uchiha or a descendant

War arc kakashit beats nagato

 

[Endles Waltz]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

so then the myth of rinnegan > sharingan doesn't exist. from what you just said, it seems to be from not the user's eyes that determine power but the eyes power is determined by the welder. regardless if it's the original uchiha or a descendant

No Rinnegan > Sharingan obviously. But the user also matters.

Rinnegan with it's original owner >>> Borrowed Rinnegan. Same applies to Sharingan. Transmigrants are also that much stronger, and Indra is literally Sage's son, the soul that transmigrates through selected Uchiha. (Madara, Sasuke, etc...)

Rinnegan > Sharingan
Hagoromo > Indra
Sasuke > Indra
Sasuke > Indra >>>> Nagato

 

[Aznkidd]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

No Rinnegan > Sharingan obviously. But the user also matters.

Rinnegan with it's original owner >>> Borrowed Rinnegan. Same applies to Sharingan. Transmigrants are also that much stronger, and Indra is literally Sage's son, the soul that transmigrates through selected Uchiha. (Madara, Sasuke, etc...)

Rinnegan > Sharingan
Hagoromo > Indra
Sasuke > Indra
Sasuke > Indra >>>> Nagato

wrong Indra also got power from his Dad as manga fact and he got it alone

 

[Urda]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

Nagato possessed the power of the sage but did he show its power to its full extent? No. Only ones capable of showing anywhere close to its true power are madara and sasuke. The sage and kaguya is prolly the only ones who can show its true power. Nagato vs naruto was different as naruto was inexperienced with SM when he fought nagato. That's why the power scaling was different than when Edo nagato fought kcm naruto.

Amaterasu, YT and Susano'o were all effective in countering his Rinnegan. The skills and power of the user are much more important than the eye itself.

It's the difference between sticking a Rinnegan in Iruka's eye, and putting a Sharingan in say... Jiraiya's.

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What you're saying doesn't matter. Rinnegan is the superior Doujutsu.

When we get into individual talents like Nagato Vs. Itachi or what-if's like saying Iruka possessing Rinnegan and battling Jiraiya - That is a whole different discussion because it's now being used as a tool instead of looking at it solely based on the quality of the Doujutsu.

 

[LoZelda101]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

No Rinnegan > Sharingan obviously. But the user also matters.

Rinnegan with it's original owner >>> Borrowed Rinnegan. Same applies to Sharingan. Transmigrants are also that much stronger, and Indra is literally Sage's son, the soul that transmigrates through selected Uchiha. (Madara, Sasuke, etc...)

Rinnegan > Sharingan
Hagoromo > Indra
Sasuke > Indra
Sasuke > Indra >>>> Nagato

alright. now let's break it down even further since you already started. what if we were to compare a NON original eye rinnegan that is transplanted into a NON indra directed bloodline compared to someone that HAS his own orginal eyes(MS) that IS directly a decendant of indra(uchiha clan). both are very skilled shinobi's. where do you stand on this? does this rinne superiority still stand? even thou it lacks KEY components to use it's full power vs someone who has ALL of his key components bloodline and dojutsu wise to use at full power? ie: obito/itachi?

 

[SenseiSama]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

but he still possess the 6 paths. the very same paths that people use to solo MS users.

Do you really think Nagato would be stronger than a Mangekyo user with Itachi-level genius and Sage chakra ? Sasuke's PS was cutting through meteorites like it was nothing, Nagato wouldn't stand a chance against the Sage's son

 

[Endles Waltz]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

alright. now let's break it down even further since you already started. what if we were to compare a NON original eye rinnegan that is transplanted into a NON indra directed bloodline compared to someone that HAS his own orginal eyes(MS) that IS directly a decendant of indra(uchiha clan). both are very skilled shinobi's. where do you stand on this? does this rinne superiority still stand? even thou it lacks KEY components to use it's full power vs someone who has ALL of his key components bloodline and dojutsu wise? ie: obito/itachi?

So you're basically asking who's stronger between Nagato and MS Itachi/Obito. MS Itachi and MS Obito are stronger. And MS Indra is obviously stronger than them all.

 

[Akame]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

Edo Nagato was controlled by Kabuto and couldn't move his leg.

Nagato couldn't move his legs with or without kabuto anyways lawl

 

[LoZelda101]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

Do you really think Nagato would be stronger than a Mangekyo user with Itachi-level genius and Sage chakra ? Sasuke's PS was cutting through meteorites like it was nothing, Nagato wouldn't stand a chance against the Sage's son

No

just trying to expose this rinne> shar rule into the light to see if it's valid or if it's taken out of context for general debates.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

No Rinnegan > Sharingan obviously. But the user also matters.

Rinnegan with it's original owner >>> Borrowed Rinnegan. Same applies to Sharingan.Transmigrants are also that much stronger, and Indra is literally Sage's son, the soul that transmigrates through selected Uchiha. (Madara, Sasuke, etc...)

Rinnegan > Sharingan
Hagoromo > Indra
Sasuke > Indra
Sasuke > Indra >>>> Nagato

@ Bold this is false, Kakashi's borrowed Sharingan is actually better than what Obito utilized in the War Arc. Granted Kakashi's stamina is pretty low after using it, nevertheless Kakashi seems more skilled with the Sharingan.

Effective use of Kamui.

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It would appear that the long ranged warp is slightly better than the short ranged. Obito has Hashi's cells to prevent blindness so that doesn't take away from Kakashi.

 

[Urda]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

Nagato couldn't move his legs with or without kabuto anyway lawl

Are you defending Itachi Solo'ing Nagato? Because that makes Itachi "Soloing" Nagato a joke just like Orochimaru's death. :|

 

[Akame]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

Are you defending Itachi Solo'ing Nagato? Because that makes Itachi "Soloing" Nagato a joke just like Orochimaru's death. :|

You missed the point.

 

[Endles Waltz]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

@ Bold this is false, Kakashi's borrowed Sharingan is actually better than what Obito utilized in the War Arc. Granted Kakashi's stamina is pretty low after using it, nevertheless Kakashi seems more skilled with the Sharingan.

Effective use of Kamui.

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It would appear that the long ranged warp is slightly better than the short ranged. Obito has Hashi's cells to prevent blindness so that doesn't take away from Kakashi.

They both pale in comparison to Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara's Sharingan use though. An Uchiha will have the chakra potency and stamina to wield it better. Obito not going blind due to Hashi cells is a fan theory that makes sense. He would still have better stamina either way if he's anything like the other high tier Uchiha.

 

[SenseiSama]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

No

just trying to expose this rinne> shar rule into the light to see if it's valid or if it's taken out of context for general debates.

That's not how logic is applied in the manga, read BZ's statement

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Nagato couldn't even defeat SM Naruto, don't pretend as if he's on an Ootsutsuki's level

 

[Aznkidd]

Re: since everyone thinks rinnegan is auto superior to MS, does that mean nagato > in

They both pale in comparison to Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara's Sharingan use though. An Uchiha will have the chakra potency and stamina to wield it better. Obito not going blind due to Hashi cells is a fan theory that makes sense. He would still have better stamina either way if he's anything like the other high tier Uchiha.

Nice fanfic.