[Discussion] An Epiphany about Gerard Valkyrie

[Your Creepy Stalker]

The reason I find this guys fight pointless isn't that he's just a ripoff of Yammy. It's because he's only a threat because he's fighting the wrong characters. Askin, Pernida and Lille would have been major threats to anyone, but Gerard is only winning because Shinji didn't go Shikai, or because he didn't end up fighting Mayuri, or Urahra, or Soi Fon, or Komamura.

Why would they beat him? Simple. He's stupid and has no Omni directional attacks, so Shinji wrecks him. His only useful ability is raw strength, so he's not going to be able to counter Mayuri's drugs. Urahra already curb stomped Yammy with minimal effort, he should be able to screw with Gerard in Shikai. Soi Fon is an odd choice, but he's not going to go Miracle from one stab, and two stabs will be too late to miracle. Komamura could definitely compare to him in brute strength.

It's also hard to take him seriously, knowing he got one shotted by Nimaya. At least Pernida and Lille redeemed themselves by either taking out Kenpachi, or being so f*cking annoying that getting one shotted was the least of my complaints.


Now all I need to do is figure out why I bothered to make a thread justifying my dislike of a manga character. Not even Hagoromo needed one of these, he just made do with my constant accusations that he was evil.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

The reason I find this guys fight pointless isn't that he's just a ripoff of Yammy. It's because he's only a threat because he's fighting the wrong characters. Askin, Pernida and Lille would have been major threats to anyone, but Gerard is only winning because Shinji didn't go Shikai, or because he didn't end up fighting Mayuri, or Urahra, or Soi Fon, or Komamura.

Why would they beat him? Simple. He's stupid and has no Omni directional attacks, so Shinji wrecks him. His only useful ability is raw strength, so he's not going to be able to counter Mayuri's drugs. Urahra already curb stomped Yammy with minimal effort, he should be able to screw with Gerard in Shikai. Soi Fon is an odd choice, but he's not going to go Miracle from one stab, and two stabs will be too late to miracle. Komamura could definitely compare to him in brute strength.

It's also hard to take him seriously, knowing he got one shotted by Nimaya. At least Pernida and Lille redeemed themselves by either taking out Kenpachi, or being so f*cking annoying that getting one shotted was the least of my complaints.

What? First off komamaru an soifon would get curb stommped easily soifon would be no challenge cuz he knows all her abilities an as for komamaru he's not physically stronger than Gerard an his human form won't last him long enough to.get the win...urahara would need bankai cuz his shikai will only keep making Gerard stronger thanks to the physical damage...but yea myuri has a chance with his poison but I doubt he would win

Shinji shikai won't be enough no captain is beating one of the elites with just shikai unless we talking bout kenpachi an zaraki alone probably won't be enough etheir cuz remember gerard has not even gone vollstanding yet an has man handled multiple captain level opponents.

An Gerard is last standing cuz he is the strongest elite an the soul kings heart.

 

[EZQ]

Bleach's fight really are shit. There is not logic behind them. Don't try to anallyze them. None of the capitans would solo this clown with just shikai except for Kenpachi, but then Kubo rapes his own logic and takes new aspulls to make the fight end as he pleases.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Shinji shikai won't be enough no captain is beating one of the elites with just shikai unless we talking bout kenpachi an zaraki alone probably won't be enough etheir cuz remember gerard has not even gone vollstanding yet an has man handled multiple captain level opponents.

What makes you say this? his ability is the perfect counter for that, look at nanao, she heavily damaged lile barro who is arguably the strongest elite yet she would lose low to mid diff to other captains, plus shinji is a vizarad, hollows are the quincy weakness. Not to mention that his bankai will naturally be similar in terms of ability to his shikai.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

What? First off komamaru an soifon would get curb stommped easily soifon would be no challenge cuz he knows all her abilities an as for komamaru he's not physically stronger than Gerard an his human form won't last him long enough to.get the win...urahara would need bankai cuz his shikai will only keep making Gerard stronger thanks to the physical damage...but yea myuri has a chance with his poison but I doubt he would win

Shinji shikai won't be enough no captain is beating one of the elites with just shikai unless we talking bout kenpachi an zaraki alone probably won't be enough etheir cuz remember gerard has not even gone vollstanding yet an has man handled multiple captain level opponents.

An Gerard is last standing cuz he is the strongest elite an the soul kings heart.

Couple of things: Okay, i forgot that the Elites have info on the captains. Maybe SoiFon won't work. Then again, she never gets to use her instant kill, so maybe it's something that not even Yhwach knows about. (Just a joke at SoiFon's expense)
Actually, would Gerard pay attention to any info he got?

Komamura's Human Form doesn't have a time limit attached to it. Yes, he turned into a dog after fighting Bambietta. That was because he had become obsessed with Revenge against Yhwach, not because his 5 minutes of baddassery were up. It's hard to judge who is stronger between the two of them, so i'll go with the one who is also immortal.

Shinji's Shikai f*ck's up the opponents perceptions. Bamby could counter it because she had omnidirectional attacks, and Aizen could counter it because he's Aizen. Gerard is not Aizen, and only has basic Punches/Kicks/Sword Slashes to rely on, so he shouldn't be able to hit Shinji.

And Gerard being the Soul Kings Heart means nothing, except possibly drawing comparisons between his power and a Heartbeat.

 

[ssjelf]

The more I think about it, the more I am upset about gerards power.... Is this really his voolstaandiig or is this just his regular ability, if it is just that I will be fine, but if this is his full ability he is super lame.

But yes I agree. Now that kenpachi is here, this guy is done.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

What makes you say this? his ability is the perfect counter for that, look at nanao, she heavily damaged lile barro who is arguably the strongest elite yet she would lose low to mid diff to other captains, plus shinji is a vizarad, hollows are the quincy weakness. Not to mention that his bankai will naturally be similar in terms of ability to his shikai.

Like I already said they have info on all they abilities already so he will figure it out...an nanao would get destroyed if she were to fight Lillie alone....an Gerard already took down all the other vizards so why even bring that whole he is a vizard thing up?....an yea his bankai will probably cause gerard alot of trouble sense they have no info on that,but I was just talking about shikai shinji.

Couple of things: Okay, i forgot that the Elites have info on the captains. Maybe SoiFon won't work. Then again, she never gets to use her instant kill, so maybe it's something that not even Yhwach knows about. (Just a joke at SoiFon's expense)
Actually, would Gerard pay attention to any info he got?

Komamura's Human Form doesn't have a time limit attached to it. Yes, he turned into a dog after fighting Bambietta. That was because he had become obsessed with Revenge against Yhwach, not because his 5 minutes of baddassery were up. It's hard to judge who is stronger between the two of them, so i'll go with the one who is also immortal.

Shinji's Shikai f*ck's up the opponents perceptions. Bamby could counter it because she had omnidirectional attacks, and Aizen could counter it because he's Aizen. Gerard is not Aizen, and only has basic Punches/Kicks/Sword Slashes to rely on, so he shouldn't be able to hit Shinji.

And Gerard being the Soul Kings Heart means nothing, except possibly drawing comparisons between his power and a Heartbeat.

She used her two hit insta kill thing on one of bargan men back in the fake karakura town so trust me they know bout it...I'm pretty sure he pays attention to the info just like the others.

I thought he just turns back into a dog cuz that form don't last forever...where do you get your info from?...but still he loses he's not strong enough for Gerard an I think Gerard is bigger an the more damage he takes he grows bigger an stronger so I don't see komamaru winning against him alone especially not against Gerard in vollstanding...an I can't see komamru takinging down multiple captain level level people the way Gerard did.

Like I said earlier they have info on them so he eventually catch on an he will catch on quick an once he does he will find away to hit shinji with that big body of his.

Him being the soul king heart means he's strong.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

The more I think about it, the more I am upset about gerards power.... Is this really his voolstaandiig or is this just his regular ability, if it is just that I will be fine, but if this is his full ability he is super lame.

But yes I agree. Now that kenpachi is here, this guy is done.

No.its not his vollstanding if it was you would see a white halo an wings of some kind.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Like I already said they have info on all they abilities already so he will figure it out....

Knowing about won't stop it, he'll just be aware of it but he hasn't shown the ability of being able to surpass it

an nanao would get destroyed if she were to fight Lillie alone....

She managed to get hit and that was enough, shinji's ability doesn't require physical contact in order to work like that, so he has nothing to worry about even if we assume that gerad has superior stats

an Gerard already took down all the other vizards so why even bring that whole he is a vizard thing up?.

They managed to make some serious damage actually, plus are you saying that the hollow weakness is not a factor?

...an yea his bankai will probably cause gerard alot of trouble sense they have no info on that,but I was just talking about shikai shinji

Assuming that he needs it(which he doesn't based on pure feats) I would assume that he beats him even easier

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Knowing about won't stop it, he'll just be aware of it but he hasn't shown the ability of being able to surpass it

She managed to get hit and that was enough, shinji's ability doesn't require physical contact in order to work like that, so he has nothing to worry about even if we assume that gerad has superior stats

They managed to make some serious damage actually, plus are you saying that the hollow weakness is not a factor?

Assuming that he needs it(which he doesn't based on pure feats) I would assume that he beats him even easier

Yes knowing about it is all he needs he will stop it especially if he reaches that size he is now all he has to do is swing those huge arms around an he will land a hit...an I also believe he can use his cape to cover his back an he can blow strong winds of air out his mouth to hit shinji like he did to renji an rukia.

Shinji has to come into physical contact in order to with the fight that alone is all Gerard needs to grow bigger an win the fight....I'm saying if she fought Lillie again he would just snipe her in his First form an kill her.

Lol what serious damage did the vizards do? lol Gerard looks fine to me...lol the vizards attacks littlerly did nothing lol after they attacked Gerard said I.might die from being bored.

An yea shunji will.need bankai for reasons I already stated gerard will come to.be so strong from the physical damage that shinj will No longer be able to hurt him...an again he has vollstanding so yes shinji will need bankai period to stand a chance.

 

[Shiroyasha]

Bleach's fight really are shit. There is not logic behind them. Don't try to anallyze them. None of the capitans would solo this clown with just shikai except for Kenpachi, but then Kubo rapes his own logic and takes new aspulls to make the fight end as he pleases.

The amount of butthurt in this post is TOO DAMN HIGH. No seriously, take it down a notch. Tbh i really love how everyone's uses the word "Asspull". What is an "Asspull"? Could you care to explain, and give a few examples?

 

[EZQ]

The amount of butthurt in this post is TOO DAMN HIGH. No seriously, take it down a notch. Tbh i really love how everyone's uses the word "Asspull". What is an "Asspull"? Could you care to explain, and give a few examples?

Okay so here's a bleachtard fanboy that says my post is butthurt when the butthurt is clearly in your post, lol.

Lol at those capitals, why you so mad kid?

Aspull: Something you pulled out of your ass. Examples:

-Shunsui surviving a laser cannon trough his stomach
-X axis surviving decapitation
-Kira surviving having half his middle body blown up
-Everytime a character is about to get killed, he powers up, and magically his wounds and previous disadvantages dissapear
-No explanation of how do they survive to giant reiatsu cannons every single fight. Did they cover? Did they dodge? No, just aspull, they can tank it, but magically they can be pierced by swords.

GTFO kid. Bleach is rabbit shit, and that's why it got removed from the tv, and it's not in the top 5 of the weekly shonen jump.

So, before you reply again, take your salty tears to some cheap food place, and use them with some fries.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

The amount of butthurt in this post is TOO DAMN HIGH. No seriously, take it down a notch. Tbh i really love how everyone's uses the word "Asspull". What is an "Asspull"? Could you care to explain, and give a few examples?

Usually it refers to when the Author has to introduce a new element to the story in order to resolve a problem. Premier example is Shinken Hakyoken. "Oh noes! Lille is too strong" "Don't Worry, it turns out Nanao's Zanpakuto is magical paddle designed to kill Lille Barro"

That example is an "asspull" because Nanao's Zanpakuto had never been alluded to, or even mentioned prior to the reveal that it was conveniently the perfect weapon to fight against Lille Barro with.

 

[Shiroyasha]

Okay so here's a bleachtard fanboy that says my post is butthurt when the butthurt is clearly in your post, lol.

Lol at those capitals, why you so mad kid?

Aspull: Something you pulled out of your ass. Examples:

-Shunsui surviving a laser cannon trough his stomach
-X axis surviving decapitation
-Kira surviving having half his middle body blown up
-Everytime a character is about to get killed, he powers up, and magically his wounds and previous disadvantages dissapear
-No explanation of how do they survive to giant reiatsu cannons every single fight. Did they cover? Did they dodge? No, just aspull, they can tank it, but magically they can be pierced by swords.

GTFO kid. Bleach is rabbit shit, and that's why it got removed from the tv, and it's not in the top 5 of the weekly shonen jump.

So, before you reply again, take your salty tears to some cheap food place, and use them with some fries.

Actually, you're the only one who's pretty butthurt. You're clearly whining and complaining and kinda ranting and bashing so the only "kid" here is you. I'll try my best to address and counter each and every pointed you stated. Also, since when does using caps mean someone's angry? If i capitalize the word "LOL" (Which i do frequently) does that mean i'm saying it angrily?

-Shunsui surviving a laser cannon trough his stomach (How is this an asspull? If he had his head cut off or something, then sure, it's definitely bullshit but i'm pretty sure with him being almost a thousand years+ he can tank a few lethal blows. Remember his fight against Starrk when he was shot in the back? Yeah.)

X axis surviving decapitation (Okay sure, this one is pretty messed up)

-Kira surviving having half his middle body blown up (How is this an Asspull? He was treated by Kurotsuchi who replaced the missing part of his body with thick rods. It's not like half his body was completely blown off.)

Everytime a character is about to get killed, he powers up, and magically his wounds and previous disadvantages dissapear (And when has this ever happened? Examples please? Lmao this isn't Fairy Tail where the characters get Nakama powerups and one shot the Villain.)

No explanation of how do they survive to giant reiatsu cannons every single fight. Did they cover? Did they dodge? No, just aspull, they can tank it, but magically they can be pierced by swords. ("Giant Reiatsu Cannons" I just died LOL. When did this ever happen? Against who? You're not making any sense tbh.)

Alrighty then. To be completely honest the only thing that's "Rabbit Shit" is your reasoning and logic. You keep misusing the word "Asspull" without anything to back up your claims. The only thing i'll agree that's an asspull was when Nanao was supposed to magically defeat Lille. But besides that, all your points excluding the decapitation part, don't have anything to support your statements.

Btw if you consider it as "Rabbit Shit" then why do you read it? If you don't like it, then there's no shame in dropping it till it gets better or something. Also, what you said about the cancellation of the anime is pretty retarded. Animes like Fairy tail and Gintama have been repeatedly put on break, and i'm pretty sure both franchises are doing great.

 

[Shiroyasha]

Usually it refers to when the Author has to introduce a new element to the story in order to resolve a problem. Premier example is Shinken Hakyoken. "Oh noes! Lille is too strong" "Don't Worry, it turns out Nanao's Zanpakuto is magical paddle designed to kill Lille Barro"

That example is an "asspull" because Nanao's Zanpakuto had never been alluded to, or even mentioned prior to the reveal that it was conveniently the perfect weapon to fight against Lille Barro with.

LOL I was being sarcastic hahaha. It's Narutobase ffs. The word "Asspull" is used every second. And yeah, i totally agree with you on Nanao magically having a weapon that could "Kill a god". It was waaay too convenient and i was wondering wtf kubo was thinking. So yeah, techinally thats an asspull.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Oh, and add Izuru to the list of people who could curbstomp him. He could probably make him too heavy for the Wharwalt in one hit.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Gerard is no where near the strongest elite he's actually the weakest.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

The more I think about it, the more I am upset about gerards power.... Is this really his voolstaandiig or is this just his regular ability, if it is just that I will be fine, but if this is his full ability he is super lame.

But yes I agree. Now that kenpachi is here, this guy is done.

Not a volstang. His volstanh has a Halo if I remember correctly and something ekse that stood out specifically for him

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Not a volstang. His volstanh has a Halo if I remember correctly and something ekse that stood out specifically for him

Not technically a Volstandig if it's what i'm thinking off (Auswahlen Resurrection) All the elites had the same feathery wings when they were revived, but Lille's Wings in Jilliel and Askin's wings in Hassein look different to when they get revived.

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Gerard might not even have a Volstandig, Pernida didn't and they're both parts of the Soul King.

What i'm hoping for is for his Volstandig to shrink him down to a manageable size, while keeping all his normal strength. Because Giant vs Tiny Person fights don't work very well in Manga. Or just to detonate his head with extreme force, i'm not exactly a Gerard fan.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Yes knowing about it is all he needs he will stop it especially if he reaches that size he is now all he has to do is swing those huge arms around an he will land a hit...an I also believe he can use his cape to cover his back an he can blow strong winds of air out his mouth to hit shinji like he did to renji an rukia.

He'll miss no matter what, he had not shown any omnidirectional attacks that would have him counter it.

Shinji has to come into physical contact in order to with the fight that alone is all Gerard needs to grow bigger an win the fight....I'm saying if she fought Lillie again he would just snipe her in his First form an kill her.

That is not required. Gerard is going to keep missing even if shinji attacks him non-stop and that is the point, his ability must have a limit just like other elites abilites.

Lol what serious damage did the vizards do? lol Gerard looks fine to me...lol the vizards attacks littlerly did nothing lol after they attacked Gerard said I.might die from being bored.

They caused it but it healed obviously

An yea shunji will.need bankai for reasons I already stated gerard will come to.be so strong from the physical damage that shinj will No longer be able to hurt him...an again he has vollstanding so yes shinji will need bankai period to stand a chance.

I don't see how gerad can do anything against his shikai, once he aims, his perception is already messed up not to mention at that point shinji can control the attack's landing position