Kisame vs Danzo and Edo Hiruzen

[Curse Mark]

Was this the thread that someone said Zetsu- Kisame couldn't use his jutsu ?

 

[Draegod]

I was going to entertain Your weak remarks, but considering most cant handle it back. I'll spare you bro. You're welcome. haha

No one ever stated that. It's just your usual awful straw man argument. Baku shits on itself, true. That movement binding seal is broken via the release and emission of chakra, per cannon. Easy. Just like Tayuya was resisting Shikamaru's Shadow Possession with chakra emission alone [

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], Kisame does the same by emitting his monstrous amounts of chakra. In the never happening scenario that Kisame laughably gets caught inside Enmas cage, Kisame would simply absorb all Enmas chakra via physical touch [

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], since the Adamantine Pole is literally Enmas body. So your brilliant tactic just screwed over Hiruzen.

How about we show Kisame having anything close to what Sasuke (Inner Uchiha hate and chakra progress) and CMS2 like Tayuya. It isn't a "Power up your chakra the slow way a genin could do" scenerio as seen in cannon. Sasukes inner hate and rage increases his chakra (cannon) and it exploded even though he previously coulcn't even maintain a weaker susanoo, fact! Tayuya is an even worse example for you seeing as the boost from State 2 is enormous (10 times most the time)instantly! Agaisn, to keep it grade school simple, one has to expell a huge amount of chakra insantly like CM State 2, Kyubi transformations, etc etc. Kisame has huge chakra, Kisame has never ever explelled all of that chakra instantly or any like that. He simply has a huge chakra pool to work from.

Show feats to even come close to replicating Indra's incarne' and a CM state 2 transformation. (Just so you get it since you don't tend to allot, not saying he doesn't have allot of chakra. Saying prove he can burst it out at once to break the seal like you claim).

Kisame is canonically using Ninjutsu while fused.

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Try reading the manga, then you come again. There is absolutely nothing supporting the notion that Kisame can't use Ninjutsu within the WD. He already is.

**Sigh**

Why is it that TAC (your best friend) and Ice' (your other BF) get what Ive stated in the slimpest of manners, but you can't? I'll break it down grade school again so you get what I mean (clearly you're lost).

1. Web fingers after transforming.
2. Most if not all his ninjutsu require the use of hand seals (complicated ones at that)
3. Web fingers for a fact prevents the use of handseals
4. Thus Ninjutsu with handseals cannot be used.

Tada! Reading the pictures does wanders I tell ya!

And Maintaining a Jutsu is not preforming a jutsu by the way. Even though you were super lost, you still were wrong in your own terms.

All low quality, flimsy, and laughable tactics. Enma's Pole can only propel Hiruzen upwards, and Kisamehada can drain bijuu quantities of chakra within seconds. If Hiruzen manages to make it out of the WD from above, Enma is undoubtedly drained of all his chakra and poofs, and than Kisamehada along with the entire WD follows Hiruzen in any direction he tries to jump in - which makes your entire tactic extremely futile. Not going to even bother addressing your horrible fantasy manga where Enmas Cage is magically summoned around Kisame at match start, which again, is futile anyways. Chakra absorption GG's Enmas Cage. A giant Earth Wall in front of a chakra absorbing opponent is another Lol.

Ah hmm. Cool story bruh.

Have you heard of angles? Is that not a thing any more?

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I posted a Picture so you learn the possibilities. Youre welcome yet again bro. **Wink**

Enma isn't a monky while in Diamond form, he is now an object BTW. Stop comparing leaking chakra to no chakra being leaked. The situations do not compare for crying out loud. To think Kisame would dream of coming close to Enma would be suicide since he can clone himself at will instantly anytime. Diamond cage doesnt just protect or cage someone in. lol Thats cute. IT SHINKS AND SHEDS THEM INTO PIECES! Reread the databook son.

It's clear you know shit about Hiruzen, which makes this not even fair to be honest. Not to mention Danzo is present for the onslaught and none of your plans deals with both. Stay on OG Topic as well as beating both. Is that possible?

A wind stream simply propels him out. Yeah, okay. Anything else?

Concede on him not escaping, good boy. Good you got that grade school simple way since "WD GG" is your only argument ever besides "Chakra gone GG" lmao (even though he's never ever absorbed Bee's chakra instantly even though bee has far far far less then his Bijuu. Oh wait! Was it because the Bijuu's chakra was what was leaking and ablbe to be absorbed that bee's was Zapped instantly? Hmmmmm) Reads manga and sits Tea.

Instant GG with the Baku summoning. Lmao, good God dude. Retarded arguments, that I shouldn't even be nor normally would waist my time addressing. Danzo must first perform the summoning, while Kisame simultaneously perform the single seal for the WD. And if you actually want to go by the manga for once in your life, by the time Baku even begun it's suction, Danzo was already

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, which means Kisame has more than enough time to properly react. So go ahead and toss that entire GG notion right into the garbage, where it belongs. Baku's suction is nowhere near as fast as the amount of water Kisame can regurgitate in mere seconds, which is a clear fact, unless you want to continue to butcher the manga. So the WD would still go up, consuming Baku, and making his suction futile, as it exhales everything he sucks up from it's trunk. So it would literally be sucking in water, just to exhale it right back out until it runs out of oxygen. Kisame has other ways to lol stomp this thing, just in case want to go another route as well.

"WD GG" Is even more Retarded then "Totsuya bltz GG". Oh wait, you use both simple fan remarks to defend 2 of the easiest characters ever shown. lol Lmao To think Kisame instanly does all of that before Baku starts the suction from 40m. Bruh just stop:

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It's clear as day the summon was tooooooo big for the bridge and had to first establish balance and footing (Brace itself similar to a tractor getting ready to start to dig, or other things). Please learn simple things before you try your hardest to look smart bro.
You don't know how suctions work do you? NO matter how much water he can overall spit out, it still has to come out of his small mouth to exist! Baku's suction range is bigger then what he spits out per inch. The water continues to get spit out, then suck and dispelled. Not to mention Kisame himself WILL GET SUCKED WITH HIS WATER. LMMFAO To think he would perfectly be sitting/stading and spitting out water.

Please learn how suction works bro! Im begging you!!!!

To further keep it simple; Kisame and his water gets sucked into OBLIVION AT THE SAME TIME. (I capataliezed it so you can read better). You have to now prove how they dont with out defying physics and common sense.

Okay, my point is that he can't use Izanagi (regardless of when it's activated) as means to spawn anywhere around the planet that he wants. Do you agree or disagree with that? That is what should be refuted, if you're disagreeing. I'm saying he can only spawn himself within the general area, and not use it as means of completely escaping the battlefield by spawning all the way back in Konoha, for example. I'm saying, if he was capable of doing so, he would of done it, given the circumstances I presented.

Never said planet or back to konoha, stop looking desperate for once. Izanagi spawn next to him and taps him. Simple, I swear to god it's that simple! He never ever once wanted to escape sasuke seeing he had advantage and wanted to kill him then kill tobi. Stop twisting the manga and read it for once. You first say Kisame absorbs theyre chakra via CQC, then you say Kisame keeps his distance and Izanagi cannot spawn near him since He'll be so far away aparently. Make up your mind and stop contradicting.

Now, if you want to argue that Izanagi would activate before he gets engulfed by the WD, that's different. And the answer is, he can't. Based on the manga, Danzo must form

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and than a short window of time passes before Izanagi activates. Within this short window of time that occurs after the three seals are formed, Sasuke was able raise his bow, manifest an arrow (

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), steadily aim it, and than fire his Susano'o Arrow at Danzo, before Izanagi was finally

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. That is simply not beating a technique that requires a single hand seal, and engulfs the entire surrounding area within a single panel [

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]. Izanagi alone isn't saving him.

You're looking super desperate now. The fight starts 40m which is wayy to much distance to form the seals with in 2 seconds (which was faster then sasuke could kill him with super god speed (you think that) susanoo arrow) after he summons Baku starting the fight form atop of his head or on his back. Or behind a Mud wall from Hiruzen the start of the fight as well as Baku being summoned.

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Kisames Tech first requires him to set Sama' to the side, fact! Then claps hands. Then mold the chakra, then spit it out. He had enough time to say a full sentence (which is how long it takes for him to mold the chakra then spit out unless you can prove it can be done sooner than its cannon use) It isnt super fast end all no one can ever react to jutsu. You look stupid desperate bro. Saying Izanagi want save him.... lmao Ok. I guess Kisame's Water jutsu is the end all be all that is above everything ever shown. Even though Itachi was suprised it was defeated. **Sigh**

Countered The retarded thought that they couldnt counter WD. Whats next for you?

Lolllllllll. First off Danzo has no reason to start the match off with Baku before Kisame spits out a lake or uses Water Dome. He would start by weaving the hand seals fo izanagi like he did in canon, giving Kisame time to use suiton and merge with his sword. but even if he uses Baku right off the bat Kisame can just go underground with Subterrenean Voyage and evade the suction's range, then come up from underground and hit Baku from the side or behind with GSB.

Second off Baku's suction isn't nearly as fast as you think. The summon first has to appear, face the opponent, open its mouth and begin inhaling. Sasuke took advantage of this process to anchor Susanoo to the ground with its hand before he got swept in. Kisame can use GSB as fast as Gai can use Hirudora, soooo if there's already a water source on the battlefield he can nail it before it even opens its mouth.

He can do what ever he deems worthy. And since Baku is instant GG, it is summoned than he uses Izanagi. Since it's cannon fact Kisame doesnt fuse off bat. And no, the suction sucks everything! And since voyage makes the ground near them fluid the ground/mud/hole also sucks Kisame up to the surface! And how would he use 2 jutsu's at once???? He's never down voyage at the start "as per cannon." Youre contradicting yourself per ususal. And how can he do Fusion and water jutsu plus go under ground?

Fact of the day (take notes). Kisame needs a water source surrounding him prior to use Giant shark missle (fact). Unless you can show him using it with out a water source. Fact 2, he has to use handseals and Charge the jutsu for a few seconds

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Nit picking isn't fun now is it? Since My facts beat your facts since you cannot show anoter scenerio he's used the jutsu to disprove my facts.

I only purposed this scenerio since FT thins Kisame instantly uses WD off back and fuses because "It's full knowledge". lol And since Retarded arguments are being used, I countered it with a easy counter. Now if you wanna argue a more sensible argument than everything is changed to make sense.

 

[Curse Mark]

And no, the suction sucks everything! And since voyage makes the ground near them fluid the ground/mud/hole also sucks Kisame up to the surface! And how would he use 2 jutsu's at once???? He's never down voyage at the start "as per cannon." Youre contradicting yourself per ususal.

Pretty sure he did voyage at the start against Gai and co.
(Which would be canon)

 

[BLAZE]

your best friend and your other BF

feels nostalgic

 

[Draegod]

Pretty sure he did voyage at the start against Gai and co.
(Which would be canon)

The fight wasnt even started. That was him traveling in the shadows attempting to surprise attack. that's like a ninja assain waiting in the shadows with the opponent unaware, waiting to throw a kill shot dagger. Please don't be slow.

 

[super yang]

Holy shit. Are you joking? ALL HE CAN DO IS INHALE AIR.]

Because he inhales it so fiercely it yanks shit with it

concession accepted, lol & thanks

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But that's totally irrelevant to your argument that there's some type of dream-eating genjutsu field around him !!

wtf?

except bakus vacuum will shred the water projectile en route & blow it back out. baku controls range & its already a stretch to say a jutsu can even be formed properly/reliably within its ''dream-eating'' AoE
And danzos simultaneous wind attacks fromm odd angles going unchecked at kisame is a thing

nice fanfic, btw

 

[Draegod]

concession accepted, lol & thanks

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wtf?

It's a reason most ppl simply ignors/blocks him. He's "that guy"

 

[Curse Mark]

The fight wasnt even started. That was him traveling in the shadows attempting to surprise attack. that's like a ninja assain waiting in the shadows with the opponent unaware, waiting to throw a kill shot dagger. Please don't be slow.

No need to go to personal attacks because you're wrong.

It was the first attack of the fight.. So the fight was started.

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It's a reason most ppl simply ignors/blocks him. He's "that guy"

Who's ignored/ blocked me? You're talking to Super Yang who thinks that you can't form a jutsu within the so called dream eating range of Baku when that is clearly false because it happened several times in canon.

Smh delusional fanboys.

 

[BLAZE]

He's "that guy"

Nah u just Quoted "that guy"

a katana can kill anybody even kaguya, & a katana has no ''rank'' a.k.a. fanservice

 

[Curse Mark]

Nah u just Quoted "that guy"

Some people have small guy complexes and hate to be wrong. So they just make unwarranted personal attacks instead. Smh

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Heres the thing FT. If you want to argue that Bakusui Shōha, form in a Dome, is capable of using other ninjutsu, then be my guess.

If you want to argue that, once the priorities has changed, when its now capable of altering its position in order to reflect the direction of Kisame's movements, and capable of absorbing chakra inside the water, can STILL perform other jutsus, then we going to have problems. Because thats what Shark Dance Technique does, stated by Kisame. Not Dai Bakusui Shōha and vise versa to what Bakusui shoha can that Shark Dance couldnt.

Lmao, what in hell are you even saying. It went from the misconception that Kisame is not capable of using jutsu while fused, to the difference between Dai Bakusui Shōha and Shark Dance Technique, and now something about priorities. How does priorities changing mean anything...? It is still a water source. Kisames water source. The Shark Dance Technique being in use doesn't change that. To easily defeat this entire argument, Kisame used the Water Prison Technique from his very source of water, that just so happened to be also taking on the priorities of a Mizu Bunshin.

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This whole priorities nonsense means nothing.

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Give me another day to gather some patience for this.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Sad day. Necrophilia gave its place to gerontophilia.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lmao, what in hell are you even saying.It went from the misconception that Kisame is not capable of using jutsu while fused, to the difference between Dai Bakusui Shōha and Shark Dance Technique, and now something about priorities. How does priorities changing mean anything...? It is still a water source. Kisames water source. The Shark Dance Technique being in use doesn't change that. To easily defeat this entire argument, Kisame used the Water Prison Technique from his very source of water, that just so happened to be also taking on the priorities of a Mizu Bunshin.

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This whole priorities nonsense means nothing.

I made myself clear. The issue is you, mixing other peoples points towards mine (shown @Bold to something I never said).

Me bringing up the difference between Dai Bakusui Shōha and Shark Dance Technique, was further elaborated by @underline. Nothing was different to my point. Stop trying to make it sound like it was complicated to comprehend :lol.

Priorities means the very fact that the whole dome is already at used from another jutsu via Shark Dance:

- The jutsu that the manga exploit its capability and WEAKNESS. Saying it can do more under it, is contradicting the jutsu's weakness that was already explained and countered in the manga (dont even bring up Kisame having no weakness, like it carries any relevance to the actual jutsu)

- You can't argue that Dai Bakusui Shōha is capable of doing jutsu Shark Dance, as is Shark Dance capable of doing jutsu Dai Bakusui Shōha can.

- The water source is no longer usable once the jutsu is finished[

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]. And based on my two points above, you have to prove it can exchanged back to Bakusui Shōha.

 

[Beans2]

He can do what ever he deems worthy. And since Baku is instant GG, it is summoned than he uses Izanagi. Since it's cannon fact Kisame doesnt fuse off bat. And no, the suction sucks everything! And since voyage makes the ground near them fluid the ground/mud/hole also sucks Kisame up to the surface! And how would he use 2 jutsu's at once???? He's never down voyage at the start "as per cannon." Youre contradicting yourself per ususal. And how can he do Fusion and water jutsu plus go under ground?

Lmao, you don't even realize the hypocrisy in this post. Says Danzo will summon Baku right off the bat before he even activates izanagi because "he deems it worthy" yet says it's "canon fact" that Kisame doesn't fuse off the bat and won't do subterrenean voyage at the start because he "hasn't done it in canon" (

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So once again, even if we are to assume that Danzo starts the battle by summoning Baku, Kisame will counter by going underground with Subterrenean voyage. Your assumption that Baku's suction would suck Kisame back up to the surface makes no sense, because if he goes underground he would be outside the suction's range entirely and he's

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to be dozens of feet below the earth within seconds.

Fact of the day (take notes). Kisame needs a water source surrounding him prior to use Giant shark missle (fact). Unless you can show him using it with out a water source. Fact 2, he has to use handseals and Charge the jutsu for a few seconds

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Nit picking isn't fun now is it? Since My facts beat your facts since you cannot show anoter scenerio he's used the jutsu to disprove my facts.

No. Not a fact. Every single suiton in the manga can be used without a water source granted the user has the skill and chakra to do so. It's just more convenient when there's a water source since Kisame can just use the preexisting water instead of spitting it out. Kisame's Zetsu clone attempted to use GSB when there was no water source, which is a point you've used against me in the past. The fact that Kisame can spit out a massive dome of water makes it obvious he can use GSB (a jutsu which uses far less chakra) without a water source.

So after going underground to avoid Baku's suction, he re emerges behind Baku and hits him with GSB.

I only purposed this scenerio since FT thins Kisame instantly uses WD off back and fuses because "It's full knowledge". lol And since Retarded arguments are being used, I countered it with a easy counter. Now if you wanna argue a more sensible argument than everything is changed to make sense.

Says FT is using retarded arguments, yet is seriously trying to argue "instant Baku summoning right off the bat GG".

 

[Draegod]

Lmao, you don't even realize the hypocrisy in this post. Says Danzo will summon Baku right off the bat before he even activates izanagi because "he deems it worthy" yet says it's "canon fact" that Kisame doesn't fuse off the bat and won't do subterrenean voyage at the start because he "hasn't done it in canon" (

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So once again, even if we are to assume that Danzo starts the battle by summoning Baku, Kisame will counter by going underground with Subterrenean voyage. Your assumption that Baku's suction would suck Kisame back up to the surface makes no sense, because if he goes underground he would be outside the suction's range entirely and he's

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to be dozens of feet below the earth within seconds.



No. Not a fact. Every single suiton in the manga can be used without a water source granted the user has the skill and chakra to do so. It's just more convenient when there's a water source since Kisame can just use the preexisting water instead of spitting it out. Kisame's Zetsu clone attempted to use GSB when there was no water source, which is a point you've used against me in the past. The fact that Kisame can spit out a massive dome of water makes it obvious he can use GSB (a jutsu which uses far less chakra) without a water source.

So after going underground to avoid Baku's suction, he re emerges behind Baku and hits him with GSB.



Says FT is using retarded arguments, yet is seriously trying to argue "instant Baku summoning right off the bat GG".

Damn Boy I swear you're Slow as ****! smh

1. How does him entering the area attempting to ambush Team Gai counts as him starting the jutsu when he meets them? lmao So since Millions of ninja start theyre fight with showering Kunais on opponents who didnt know about them till after the fact, means ninjas can start a fake battle like that? lmmfao You look DSPERATE as fuq! First you say he starts with WD and now you're trying to change and say he doesn't. Youre just as retartded as ever and switch up arguments when you are clearly beaten. Stay consistent when Tip riding others please!

Do you even know how Suction works? Are you retarded to not know simple suction physics when it comes to space?

Im going to break it down to your dumb ass in steps!

- If Kisame attempts WD off bat (like what was og stated, atleast FT is consistant), Danzo with knowledge will summon Baku off bat since he knows there is no counter.
- If Danzo decides to cancle WD (well your retarded ass switching it up), sharingan would see and instead activate Izanagi and summon Baku later.

Simple! Either way Kisame is not beating either 1 v 1 and def not the 2 at once!

It's fact He needs water to use the jutsu unless stated or shown else where. Show pics or scans of the jutsu being used with out pre-existing water. I have facts, not fanfic. Majority of the time he has ever used shark missle (big/small) jutsu it has been with water surrounding him. Kisame zetsu clone was never going to use GSB, get that fanfic out of here. And now you wanna say Zetsu clones can use super powerful jutsu'd but at first you didnt. lmmfao Youre weak as fuq i swear! And ofcourse your Scary ass has no contributing argument. Just keep riding KG, and stop trying so hard to be FT's friend. lmao

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kisame zetsu clone was never going to use GSB, get that fanfic out of here.

What do you mean by here? Didnt he

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? Or was that mistranslated?

 

[Draegod]

What do you mean by here? Didnt he

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? Or was that mistranslated?

The clone was just faking knowing he wasn't going to live vs a kage and perfect jin. It was tobi plan to fake kisames death Unless Zetsu is the most OP character of all time since he has acess to every ninja via touch. If he can perform Kisames best tech (huge chakra), then he's above kage level since he can uses borderline every op ninja's best tech.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The clone was just faking knowing he wasn't going to live vs a kage and perfect jin. It was tobi plan to fake kisames death Unless Zetsu is the most OP character of all time since he has acess to every ninja via touch. If he can perform Kisames best tech (huge chakra), then he's above kage level since he can uses borderline every op ninja's best tech.

True. Still impress by the fact that he took over Shark Dance jutsu,

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, efficiently use Samehada's capability fused,

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.

 

[Draegod]

True. Still impress by the fact that he took over Shark Dance jutsu,

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, efficiently use Samehada's capability fused,

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.

Agreed! Zetsu is a beast, been defending him since day one. But if we give him the jutsu's and chakra capacity of others then he's the best akatsuki member even better then Pain. Kisame most likely was the one still holding the jutsu in place (since he never left the BF.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I'm trying to figure out how Baku is in any shape of form a threat to Kisame in the dome or outside of it.
Inside the dome would either have Baku choked to death from consuming too much water. Or Kisame can simply go inside of Baku and suck it dry of chakra.

Outside of the dome would have Kisame countering with SV. Don't give me the crap about suction pulling Kisame out of the ground. Baku couldn't even rip trees off. Good luck pulling Kisame meters below the ground.

Also lmao

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If Baku tries his suction in the dome he'd just give the water back, given how in the scan it shows Baku blowing air out of its trunk.