[Discussion] Marco the Pheonix + rest of WB crew

[giostep]

Think he will become part of Luffy's fleet? I mean with Luffy's current team he has become a force to be reckoned with (assuming he uses all tools available to him) this would be awesome (imo), If luffy gets marco to become part of his crew the rest will probably follow along (maybe), and Luffy will practically have one of the most well rounded and strongest armadas in the series possibly capable of challenging a Yonko's...though Luffys himself cannot actually beat the leader at the current time.

How do you guys feel about the news that been revealed?

 

[loj]

Would be surprised if he doesn't tbh

 

[WoldOfFingo]

With Marco and Vista etc with them I would almost feel sorry for Kaido already

 

[Passerby]

With Marco and Vista etc with them I would almost feel sorry for Kaido already

Lol Akainu stomped Marco+the entire WB Crew. Kaido will do just fine

 

[Skull Knight]

I think Marco will die at Wano arc

 

[giostep]

I think Marco will die at Wano arc

Well that is depressing. I doubt he will die though, im not sure how many characters have had OS death, but i don't think Marco is important enough to the story line to kill him off. His death wont really symbolize anything important like WB and Ace. I mean Monet, WB, Ace, and Vergo are the only people I can think of currently to have an OS death, and Monet and Vergo are still possibly alive (highly doubted but still possible). I think on Wano assuming Marco loses then Zoro will probably fight the Shogun and win, but im not versed in how OP arcs usually end up ending...

 

[YellowFang]

They might join Luffy's fleet...

 

[Skull Knight]

Well that is depressing. I doubt he will die though, im not sure how many characters have had OS death, but i don't think Marco is important enough to the story line to kill him off. His death wont really symbolize anything important like WB and Ace. I mean Monet, WB, Ace, and Vergo are the only people I can think of currently to have an OS death, and Monet and Vergo are still possibly alive (highly doubted but still possible). I think on Wano assuming Marco loses then Zoro will probably fight the Shogun and win, but im not versed in how OP arcs usually end up ending...

Marco importance will end after Wano Arc.
I don't think Luffy will get WB's crew. That will make him way too OP. Wit them he could start wars like MF.

 

[Osmon]

Why would Marco want to join Luffy's crew when his own crew is separated ? :lol

 

[Caliburn]

Well it would have been redundant to mention Marco if they wouldn't be able to find him, so it's safe to assume that Nekomamushi's guess of where he is now, is correct. From that point on it will depend on how much Luffy impressed Marco. Pirates like Marco and Vista are really not the type of guys who will change ship easily. Their loyalty to their captain, even if he's dead, is tremendous. They have followed WB for decades after all, however they were not able to avoid WB getting killed. They were not able to avoid Ace getting killed. After that they failed in taking down BB and getting revenge for Thatch, WB and Ace. It's really no surprise Marco went off the grid and that people now speak of the former WB Pirates and not any longer of the remnants of the WB Pirates, indicating that the crew disbanded (though this might just be a difference in translation). In the end what unified them was the person of WB, without him there's nothing left to keep them together.

Now if you add all of that together, well I reckon Marco has no idea anymore what to do. He failed at everything, so he went into hiding because there's no alternative. There might be other former WB pirates with him, he might be alone, but the fact remains that it will not be an easy task to convince him to come out of hiding. What purpose would it serve? It wouldn't be much of a story either if Marco would oblige that easily and I would guess that Luffy will somehow be crucial in convincing him. As I said a pirate the caliber of Marco is not someone that's going to just change the captain he serves out of pragmatic reasons and Luffy is way younger than him. Normally this would be unthinkable, however on the other hand what Marco did succeed in, was saving Luffy during the War of the Best. Luffy had been acknowledged by WB himself and Ace firmly believed he would be able to become the PK. What's more Jinbei already befriended Luffy and now Luffy is befriended in the Minks. Luffy also has a grudges against BB, which makes it interesting for Marco to support him as Luffy would need to confront BB sooner or later.

So yeah the chances that Marco joins Luffy aren't that bad, but it will all depend on how strong Luffy's impression on Marco is. Luffy needs to be able to install a certain believe into Marco, a believe that makes him truly think Luffy can do what he says.

 

[loj]

Well it would have been redundant to mention Marco if they wouldn't be able to find him, so it's safe to assume that Nekomamushi's guess of where he is now, is correct. From that point on it will depend on how much Luffy impressed Marco. Pirates like Marco and Vista are really not the type of guys who will change ship easily. Their loyalty to their captain, even if he's dead, is tremendous. They have followed WB for decades after all, however they were not able to avoid WB getting killed. They were not able to avoid Ace getting killed. After that they failed in taking down BB and getting revenge for Thatch, WB and Ace. It's really no surprise Marco went off the grid and that people now speak of the former WB Pirates and not any longer of the remnants of the WB Pirates, indicating that the crew disbanded (though this might just be a difference in translation). In the end what unified them was the person of WB, without him there's nothing left to keep them together.

Now if you add all of that together, well I reckon Marco has no idea anymore what to do. He failed at everything, so he went into hiding because there's no alternative. There might be other former WB pirates with him, he might be alone, but the fact remains that it will not be an easy task to convince him to come out of hiding. What purpose would it serve? It wouldn't be much of a story either if Marco would oblige that easily and I would guess that Luffy will somehow be crucial in convincing him. As I said a pirate the caliber of Marco is not someone that's going to just change the captain he serves out of pragmatic reasons and Luffy is way younger than him. Normally this would be unthinkable, however on the other hand what Marco did succeed in, was saving Luffy during the War of the Best. Luffy had been acknowledged by WB himself and Ace firmly believed he would be able to become the PK. What's more Jinbei already befriended Luffy and now Luffy is befriended in the Minks. Luffy also has a grudges against BB, which makes it interesting for Marco to support him as Luffy would need to confront BB sooner or later.

So yeah the chances that Marco joins Luffy aren't that bad, but it will all depend on how strong Luffy's impression on Marco is. Luffy needs to be able to install a certain believe into Marco, a believe that makes him truly think Luffy can do what he says.

I'm 100% sure he will do it like he always does it.I would be very surprised if Marco doesn't join the fleet.Very very surpised.

Idk if Marco seen it but Luffy was on good terms with Whitebeard.I'm sure Marco has some respect towards Luffy.

 

[Caliburn]

I'm 100% sure he will do it like he always does it.I would be very surprised if Marco doesn't join the fleet.Very very surpised.

Idk if Marco seen it but Luffy was on good terms with Whitebeard.I'm sure Marco has some respect towards Luffy.

Everyone has seen and heard and seeb Luffy's interaction with WB. The point is just respect is really not going to cut it. Many people don't seem to realize this, but pirate crews aren't something like football teams where they can freely change members. Most pirates only follow one captain and only that captain. When the captain dies, it's often the end of the crew because for many the only reason they were on that crew, was the captain. In the hypothetical case that Luffy would die, it's very well possible the Strawhats will go their separate ways and that many of them will stop being a pirate. That Marco has respect for Luffy is a given, that was clearly shown and said during the War of the Best, but for Marco to acknowledge Luffy as his parent/captain, there will be a lot more needed than just respect. We're talking after all about the replacement of WB himself.

 

[giostep]

Everyone has seen and heard and seeb Luffy's interaction with WB. The point is just respect is really not going to cut it. Many people don't seem to realize this, but pirate crews aren't something like football teams where they can freely change members. Most pirates only follow one captain and only that captain. When the captain dies, it's often the end of the crew because for many the only reason they were on that crew, was the captain. In the hypothetical case that Luffy would die, it's very well possible the Strawhats will go their separate ways and that many of them will stop being a pirate. That Marco has respect for Luffy is a given, that was clearly shown and said during the War of the Best, but for Marco to acknowledge Luffy as his parent/captain, there will be a lot more needed than just respect. We're talking after all about the replacement of WB himself.

Well I didnt say that he would become a strawhat as much as he would become a member of the strawhat armada. Just a person that Luffy can call on that will help Luffy should he need it. I mean the Happo Navy was up and willing to be under Luffys command and there former leader was reckoned to be one of the mid-top tiers of his day (at least momentarily), so the idea of marco not joining is not so far off for me, but i do understand what your saying.

 

[LBeezy]

Well it would have been redundant to mention Marco if they wouldn't be able to find him, so it's safe to assume that Nekomamushi's guess of where he is now, is correct. From that point on it will depend on how much Luffy impressed Marco. Pirates like Marco and Vista are really not the type of guys who will change ship easily. Their loyalty to their captain, even if he's dead, is tremendous. They have followed WB for decades after all, however they were not able to avoid WB getting killed. They were not able to avoid Ace getting killed. After that they failed in taking down BB and getting revenge for Thatch, WB and Ace. It's really no surprise Marco went off the grid and that people now speak of the former WB Pirates and not any longer of the remnants of the WB Pirates, indicating that the crew disbanded (though this might just be a difference in translation). In the end what unified them was the person of WB, without him there's nothing left to keep them together.

Now if you add all of that together, well I reckon Marco has no idea anymore what to do. He failed at everything, so he went into hiding because there's no alternative. There might be other former WB pirates with him, he might be alone, but the fact remains that it will not be an easy task to convince him to come out of hiding. What purpose would it serve? It wouldn't be much of a story either if Marco would oblige that easily and I would guess that Luffy will somehow be crucial in convincing him. As I said a pirate the caliber of Marco is not someone that's going to just change the captain he serves out of pragmatic reasons and Luffy is way younger than him. Normally this would be unthinkable, however on the other hand what Marco did succeed in, was saving Luffy during the War of the Best. Luffy had been acknowledged by WB himself and Ace firmly believed he would be able to become the PK. What's more Jinbei already befriended Luffy and now Luffy is befriended in the Minks. Luffy also has a grudges against BB, which makes it interesting for Marco to support him as Luffy would need to confront BB sooner or later.

So yeah the chances that Marco joins Luffy aren't that bad, but it will all depend on how strong Luffy's impression on Marco is. Luffy needs to be able to install a certain believe into Marco, a believe that makes him truly think Luffy can do what he says.

Not to mention, Oda may very well give us an interesting back story that can involve Kaido with WB/Marco and it might lead to Marco wanting to help fight against Kaido for some reason.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Nekomamushi VS Weeble on its way.....yay
Marco might got handicapped from the Payback war to power him down in the series...

 

[Caliburn]

Well I didnt say that he would become a strawhat as much as he would become a member of the strawhat armada. Just a person that Luffy can call on that will help Luffy should he need it. I mean the Happo Navy was up and willing to be under Luffys command and there former leader was reckoned to be one of the mid-top tiers of his day (at least momentarily), so the idea of marco not joining is not so far off for me, but i do understand what your saying.

That's why I said parent/captain as Barto, Cavendish etc. all have a child-parent relationship with Luffy. That Marco would become an actual Strawhat is unlikely just like it wasn't that realistic for Jinbei to become one despite what many people claimed. However being a subordinate crew on the other hand is possible. There's a subtle difference between the two, but in the end the result remains exactly the same: acknowledgment of Luffy as their superior and the only person who ever held that position, was WB.

 

[OG sama]

That's why I said parent/captain as Barto, Cavendish etc. all have a child-parent relationship with Luffy. That Marco would become an actual Strawhat is unlikely just like it wasn't that realistic for Jinbei to become one despite what many people claimed. However being a subordinate crew on the other hand is possible. There's a subtle difference between the two, but in the end the result remains exactly the same: acknowledgment of Luffy as their superior and the only person who ever held that position, was WB.

I agree with you completely, especially that last sentence. Probably one of the reasons Marco is coming back is so the torch can be passed on, when Kaido is defeated the WB pirates will look at Luffy as a guy they can depend on just like WB himself. They will need to be protected unlike last time when they needed to protect Luffy.

 

[loj]

Everyone has seen and heard and seeb Luffy's interaction with WB. The point is just respect is really not going to cut it. Many people don't seem to realize this, but pirate crews aren't something like football teams where they can freely change members. Most pirates only follow one captain and only that captain. When the captain dies, it's often the end of the crew because for many the only reason they were on that crew, was the captain. In the hypothetical case that Luffy would die, it's very well possible the Strawhats will go their separate ways and that many of them will stop being a pirate. That Marco has respect for Luffy is a given, that was clearly shown and said during the War of the Best, but for Marco to acknowledge Luffy as his parent/captain, there will be a lot more needed than just respect. We're talking after all about the replacement of WB himself.

But let's consider it for the plot.Do you really think Marco will reject Nekomamushi.If he doesn't he will help Luffy's,Wano's and Mink's ally so I can't see him leaving them mainly 'cause it brings nothing to plot.Besides Oda clearly made that move to make Marco somehow important for plot since we are very "close" to end.If not directly to Luffy's fleet,I'm 100% sure he will help Luffy in last war mainly 'cause he has respect towards Luffy and the fact that Luffy's is Ace's brother.

 

[Caliburn]

But let's consider it for the plot.Do you really think Marco will reject Nekomamushi.If he doesn't he will help Luffy's,Wano's and Mink's ally so I can't see him leaving them mainly 'cause it brings nothing to plot.Besides Oda clearly made that move to make Marco somehow important for plot since we are very "close" to end.If not directly to Luffy's fleet,I'm 100% sure he will help Luffy in last war mainly 'cause he has respect towards Luffy and the fact that Luffy's is Ace's brother.

I believe Marco will not oblige that easily. It makes no sense to involve Marco if he says "no and get lost", but the opposite is not that much better. "Want to join us? Sure why not!". You need to realize that Marco is still a pirate, a fact many people seem to be forgetting about a lot of characters. Even if they are good natured, they are still very will pirates and they aren't going to involve themselves in matters like this just out of the goodwill of their hearts. As I said before Marco failed to save his captain, failed to save Ace and failed to make BB pay for the both of them. On all accounts Marco got humiliated and beaten and he's the type of guy who will blame himself completely for them. It's really no surprise that he went missing for an entire year, what else was he supposed to do then?

So if the Nekomamushi then suddenly asks if he wants to go liberate Wano from Kaidou, a Yonkou, what reason does he have to comply? It's none of his business. A guy like Marco needs someone or something to believe in and Luffy is currently the one who fits that purpose the best, but that would require Marco to do a bit of soul-searching. I really wouldn't be surprised that when they find him, he would be a wreck.

 

[loj]

I believe Marco will not oblige that easily. It makes no sense to involve Marco if he says "no and get lost", but the opposite is not that much better. "Want to join us? Sure why not!". You need to realize that Marco is still a pirate, a fact many people seem to be forgetting about a lot of characters. Even if they are good natured, they are still very will pirates and they aren't going to involve themselves in matters like this just out of the goodwill of their hearts. As I said before Marco failed to save his captain, failed to save Ace and failed to make BB pay for the both of them. On all accounts Marco got humiliated and beaten and he's the type of guy who will blame himself completely for them. It's really no surprise that he went missing for an entire year, what else was he supposed to do then?

So if the Nekomamushi then suddenly asks if he wants to go liberate Wano from Kaidou, a Yonkou, what reason does he have to comply? It's none of his business. A guy like Marco needs someone or something to believe in and Luffy is currently the one who fits that purpose the best, but that would require Marco to do a bit of soul-searching. I really wouldn't be surprised that when they find him, he would be a wreck.

I can see it like this.

Luffy will bloody win him over by saying he will take BB down.I can totally see this scenario.100% that's how the things will go and Marco won't be able to reject it.Marco will be in some kind of dilemma thinking what's Luffy thinking,and saying that's bullshit and Luffy being Luffy he will win him over.I can definitely see it like this.