How are people this ignorant

[take it easy]

Edited it.

I disagree. SM user at his peak is above MS user at his peak.

 

[SenseiSama]

His ability to use Kurama's power is genetic, so him using a bijuu is no different to Sasuke using a dojutsu that comes from a bijuu. And before EMS, Naruto had SM which put him on par with MS Sasuke, the ability to use NE at a high level is also genetic.

 

[ComplexCity]

Both are birthrights


Next....

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

I disagree. SM user at his peak is above MS user at his peak.

Disagree with Kishi's allusions all you want. As I said I didn't even want this thread to be combat based. Just pointing out that people incorrectly compare the two powers.

 

[take it easy]

Disagree with Kishi's allusions all you want. As I said I didn't even want this thread to be combat based. Just pointing out that people incorrectly compare the two powers.

I only disagree with your fanfic that peak MS and SM users are equals.

 

[NarutoX28]

Every single thing you said would be true if and only if Sasuke didn't tell obito to pop his bros eyes in his skull



You had one job Sasuke

And yet EMS is a natural power for the Uchiha considering it gains access to Perfect Susano'o which was something Indra possessed as well.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

His ability to use Kurama's power is genetic, so him using a bijuu is no different to Sasuke using a dojutsu that comes from a bijuu. And before EMS, Naruto had SM which put him on par with MS Sasuke, the ability to use NE at a high level is also genetic.

So Sasuke's genetic ability should be able to be a Jinchuriki too right? Indra didn't inherit the Sage's body but surely his body isn't that weak -- especially when its shown that possible non direct descendants of Hago can control it.

Either way, Kurama can't be awakened in the way that Sharingan can from birth.

On top of that, Kurama still provides advice, battle tactics, & chakra/NE. Let me know when Sharingan does the same.

 

[Warlocks]

ems isn't genetic=Kurama isn't genetic

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

I only disagree with your fanfic that peak MS and SM users are equals.

Kishi called it not me, even then you have no proof to back your claims, just a presumption.

Again, stop trying to make this a vs thread.

 

[ComplexCity]

And yet EMS is a natural power for the Uchiha considering it gains access to Perfect Susano'o which was something Indra possessed as well.

Just as Bijuu chakara is a natural power for Naruto to gain access to BM and KM

So Sasuke's genetic ability should be able to be a Jinchuriki too right? Indra didn't inherit the Sage's body but surely his body isn't that weak -- especially when its shown that possible non direct descendants of Hago can control it.

Either way, Kurama can't be awakened in the way that Sharingan can from birth.

On top of that, Kurama still provides advice, battle tactics, & chakra/NE. Let me know when Sharingan does the same.

They are both birthrights. This thread has been debated countless times.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Even without EMS He can still get to 3T or MS.

When tf will Naruto ever get a chakra cloak without Kurama. Or ya know battle tactics, advice, or extra chakra? Oh ok

He should be able to since he is 'Asura's' Transmigrant. He might still do KCM if Kurama was extracted lol

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Both are birthrights


Next....

Not a birthright. It can't be awakened in the same way a KKG can. You sound ignorant as hell. Please don't reply in my thread again.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I understand that Kishi said Sasuke & Naruto are equal, I don't deny that. Some may even Say Naruto is better, which doesn't even bother me -- opinions are opinions.

However… :|

I never understood how people try to justify Naruto having a full conscious lifeform to help him to equate to Sasuke's eyes. Not bashing Nardo for having Kurama, just saying it isn't genetic.

Sasuke's eyes were genetic -- able to awaken on one's own from birth, The Bijuus are just trapped within someone(with a strong enough body), not an ability available from birth. Yes you can train, and go through hell to work with them, but again its not something that's automatically granted to you from birth.

Both have gifted genes(Sharingan / Large Chakra reserves), however Kurama is not a ****ing gene.

NB has absolute shit logic.

Well as Asura's reincarnate he was the heir to Hogoromo's chakra so all the tailed beasts were more or less his birthright.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Well as Asura's reincarnate he was the heir to Hogoromo's chakra so all the tailed beasts were more or less his birthright.

Asura wasn't granted the bijuus. He was granted the heir of Ninshuu & the Sage's body. Thats all.

 

[LordRaikage]

Naruto>>>>>>sasuke

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Naruto>>>>>>sasuke

Nice bait.

 

[take it easy]

Can I see manga page where Kishi said that MS=SM ?

 

[Akame]

Can I see manga page where Kishi said that MS=SM ?

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Pre EMS / Pre Bijuu Mode

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

Can I see manga page where Kishi said that MS=SM ?

The whole 2011 Ova was based on that, NUNS2 cover, and just a slight bit more in the manga. Not going to scavenge for it though.

 

[SenseiSama]

So Sasuke's genetic ability should be able to be a Jinchuriki too right? Indra didn't inherit the Sage's body but surely his body isn't that weak -- especially when its shown that possible non direct descendants of Hago can control it.

Either way, Kurama can't be awakened in the way that Sharingan can from birth.

On top of that, Kurama still provides advice, battle tactics, & chakra/NE. Let me know when Sharingan does the same.

He can be a Jinchuuriki but he would be nowhere near Naruto's level because he doesn't have the body of Ashura's descendants, it's why Minato sucked at using SM, BM and KCM. Naruto can use bijuu chakra and SM and combine both, this puts him tiers above the normal perfect Jins.

Why ? Because his ability to use BM, SM and BSM came from Ashura inheriting the body of someone that had bijuu chakra and Senjutsu combined, therefore being a Jinchuuriki should be considered a natural ability.

And if I recall Naruto never relied on Kurama's battle tactics to fight Pain or Obito, he was only warned when chakra was running low and nothing else.