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sasuke was given
ems = free
rinnegan = free

He didn't get Itachi's eyes for free, not even close.

Sasuke was given the Rinnegan for risking his life which even then, he needs time in order to master it whereas Naruto managed to have mastery over RSM's powers upon activating it.
 

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He didn't get Itachi's eyes for free, not even close.

Sasuke was given the Rinnegan for risking his life which even then, he needs time in order to master it whereas Naruto managed to have mastery over RSM's powers upon activating it.

Ty for your confirm, Naruto is a genius, while Sauski sucks hard. Good job
 

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Listen bro, because I know what i'm talking about and you don't. All of that is sentimental BS.If you want to know what real pain, psycological and emotial damage is about look at what Gaara went through or what Sasuke had to endure + tsukuyomi. Naruto loses credit when you consider the FACT that he never really did controlled the Kyuubi on his own. He didn't keep the Kyuubi's power in Check Yamato and Minato did that for him. You act as if Naruto was under great mental pressure and responsibility when he really wasn't. He had help. Madara's batte wasn't cheap because he used his summon. Does that Make Orochimaru's fight against Jiraiya and Tsunade cheap because he summoned Manda? lol double standards are strong in this one.



I agree. He was nerfed but I didn't want this thread to be about that. I wanted to look at it from the view point that Naruto and Sasukes strength was being compared with them not having access to tremendous powers


Killing your brother and undergoing sugery and a recovery process = free?

Suffering a near death experience and being visited and bestowed with new powers = free?

your one to talk about double standards when you ridicule Naruto for using kyuubi but not Madara. You clearly have no idea and have not been paying attention these past 700 chapters if you claim Naruto was never through any real emotion pain. And keeping the kyuubi in check means not letting his rage and sadness take the best of him. But if you wanna troll go ahead
 

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Ty for your confirm, Naruto is a genius, while Sauski sucks hard. Good job

Not really. The complete universal comprehension over everything is something that is naturally obtained through RSM. It isn't something that he worked for at all. Anyone could obtain this ability if they obtain RSM.

Slap Naruto a Rinnegan and he'd shit himself for a decade not knowing how to use even the most basic techniques of the Rinnegan.
 

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Not really. The complete universal comprehension over everything is something that is naturally obtained through RSM. It isn't something that he worked for at all. Anyone could obtain this ability if they obtain RSM.

Slap Naruto a Rinnegan and he'd shit himself for a decade not knowing how to use even the most basic techniques of the Rinnegan.

Yet he fighured out how to add an element to rasengan... :|
 

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Listen bro, because I know what i'm talking about and you don't. All of that is sentimental BS.If you want to know what real pain, psycological and emotial damage is about look at what Gaara went through or what Sasuke had to endure + tsukuyomi. Naruto loses credit when you consider the FACT that he never really did controlled the Kyuubi on his own. He didn't keep the Kyuubi's power in Check Yamato and Minato did that for him. You act as if Naruto was under great mental pressure and responsibility when he really wasn't. He had help. Madara's batte wasn't cheap because he used his summon. Does that Make Orochimaru's fight against Jiraiya and Tsunade cheap because he summoned Manda? lol double standards are strong in this one.



I agree. He was nerfed but I didn't want this thread to be about that. I wanted to look at it from the view point that Naruto and Sasukes strength was being compared with them not having access to tremendous powers


Killing your brother and undergoing sugery and a recovery process = free?

Suffering a near death experience and being visited and bestowed with new powers = free?

Whose alt are u?
 

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Saying naruto uses kurama doesn't count and madara did go in their with killing intent,u can still kill someone and get their dna he just knew he would lose and thought of a way to still get hashi's dns
 

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Listen bro, because I know what i'm talking about and you don't. All of that is sentimental BS.If you want to know what real pain, psycological and emotial damage is about look at what Gaara went through or what Sasuke had to endure + tsukuyomi. Naruto loses credit when you consider the FACT that he never really did controlled the Kyuubi on his own. He didn't keep the Kyuubi's power in Check Yamato and Minato did that for him. You act as if Naruto was under great mental pressure and responsibility when he really wasn't. He had help. Madara's batte wasn't cheap because he used his summon. Does that Make Orochimaru's fight against Jiraiya and Tsunade cheap because he summoned Manda? lol double standards are strong in this one.



I agree. He was nerfed but I didn't want this thread to be about that. I wanted to look at it from the view point that Naruto and Sasukes strength was being compared with them not having access to tremendous powers


Killing your brother and undergoing sugery and a recovery process = free?

Suffering a near death experience and being visited and bestowed with new powers = free?

I can't ignore this level of stupidity and foolishness...if u hate naruto so much then just go and die or go and suck madaras and sasukes ****.Oh and btw u are totally wrong about naruto and you know it.
 

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Truth and FACTS behind Naruto and Sasuke's VoTE 2 fight.​

When people read the VoTE 2 fight they either say that "Sasuke was nerfed because he didn't do X,Y,Z" or they say that Naruto was superior because even though Sasuke had the Bijuu Chakra Naruto still matched it and whats wrong here is that people are looking at the fight from the prospective of powerups but what Kishimoto did was he had the fight take two stages. The fight stage had naruto and Sasuke with powerups and their best abilities at hand in which they stalemated. The second stage, Naruto and Sasuke had no powers at hand besides their own personal power and this is the more important of the two because in this case they didn't have immense powers to rely on so it was a true test of strength, much like how VoTE1 started out but what did we see?

The very first thing Naruto did as soon as they fell from stalemating each other was rely on the Kyuubi's chakra.

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Then Sasuke loses control of his eye and Naruto relies on his own power, Kagebunshin to perform a barrage but Sasuke countered it with his taijusu and shurikenjutsu

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Naruto counters sasuke with the help of a bunshin

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Charges at sasuke with a rasengan and tripped over canceling his own Jutsu. They had some hand to hand combat and were both exhausted then guess what happened again? Instead of continuing to fight for himself he relied on the Kyuubi's chakra. Sasuke used his jutsu to absorb it and Now bear in mind that HE COULD HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE but instead relied on the Kyuubi's chakra. lets go on and see what else happened.

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There you have it. Relies on the Kyuubi's chakra for the third time. Whats more interesting is that the chakra the Kyuubi was giving him all this time wasn't even it's own; it was just Chakra it gathered specifically to give to naruto. The whole fight was going pretty decently when they were using whatever they had available to them. Sasuke would have never been able to make that Enton Chidori if Naruto was Man enough to continue fighting for himself instead of leeching off the Kyuubi and we know he had fight left in him because he punched Sasuke into a rock. So all in all Naruto only won because he leeched off another power source but putting powerups aside, Sasuke is most likely stronger. That's manga fact.

Truth and facts behind Madara's and Hashirama's fight at VoTE

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Madara beat Hashirama out of Sage mode. So even with SM Hashirama can only beat Madara extreme high diff and fact is MAdara was only fighting Hashirama for the DNA which he swallowed, now imagine if he went with killing intent. The fight would have ended differently because in truth he could have used Izanagi when Hashirama stabbed him and then removed his head with his sword.

Truth and facts behind Itachi and the Sannin
Itachi was actually stronger than all the sannin before he hit puberty. This isn't the usual wank but simply facts based on MANGA evidence because Itachi's age in Shippuden: 21

Sasori's Statement in Shippuden: It's been over 10 years since Orochimaru left the Akatsuki

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Why Orochimaru left Akatsuki? :

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....And we all know Orochimaru was the strongest Sannin.


I just dont' get why people try to down play the Uchiha on a daily basis when they truely are the most phenominal and interesting Ninja's in the Manga. Look at Shisui, Obito and Tajima. Look at how many shinobi tried to steal the Uchiha's power and their sharingan VERSUS the number of shinobi who tried to steal the Senju's power. the difference is mind boggling. This a Facts and truth's that shouldn't be denied.

The strongest of the uchihas ,uchiha madara stole hashiramas cell for his own benefit so your thread is meaningless...
 

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Kurama was suppose to eat naruto but mever even got close. KURAMA only ever ended up helping Naruto in every fight. Including fighting in his place
 

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it's sad when people don't realize Kurama and Naruto ARE THE SAME CHARACTER. Kurama doesn't exist independently from Naruto and Naruto doesn't exist independently from Kurama. There is no Naruto without Kurama and vis versa.

So to try and use the argument, Naruto was relying on the Kyuubi's chakra, is asinine. And you wanna know why that's asinine? It's because that's his chakra, always was his chakra, and will always be his chakra. And you wanna know why Naruto gets the unfair advantage of having been paired with Kurama? It's because as the main character of his self-titled manga and show, that's the advantage Naruto has over every other character, and yes, this includes Sasuke. When other characters hit a wall, Naruto never will. When others will take months or years to recover from injuries, Naruto does so in mere hours to days. What takes others years to master their elemental nature, Naruto will do so in a week's time.

And it's not like other character's don't get their own advantages, like doujutsu or large chakra pools for example. The sharingan is certainly quite the advantage, and surely is up for debate as whether or not it's the most op advantage one can have, besides of course having Kurama. You might think, oh the ten tails is surely stronger than Kurama, or that Kurama is rivaled closely by the other eight tailed beasts. You might even say the sharingan can detain tailed beasts, it must be able to do the same to Kurama, hell, Madara even controlled the ninetails. But what you are forgetting is the previously mentioned fact that established Naruto and Kurama as being the same character. The ninetails might've existed before Naruto's birth, but with Naruto's birth, Kurama, too, was born into the same body. No one can ever be stronger than Kurama or Naruto because of their duality. They are both Naruto and they are both Kurama simultaneously. To be fighting one is to be fighting the other.

Removing the two from each other can certainly kill the character Naruto, but thankfully to Kurama's split into, Kurama and the second-half of the ninetails, when the time comes for the two to separate because the plot demands it, there is still a second reserve that can be replaced into the character Naruto, thusly saving the both of them. You'll then argue what about Minato? Okay..what about Minato? He only harbors the second half of the ninetails for Naruto as a gift. It's a gift because it rightfully belongs to the Naruto character, and once it's transferred back into his character, the ninetails then becomes Kurama again, and the Naruto character is reborn. When the plot's progression doesn't demand a near death of Naruto, the two parts of Kurama will finally merge back into one being. This means that the main character from that moment forward will never be in a situation where Kurama and him will split, and that being the only way to kill them. Because killing one kills the other. Interpreting this another way--Naruto will never again lose.

So don't get mad when your favorite character's sharingan deactivates and he's up against a base Naruto with Kurama churning out chakra. It's just the fate of every opponent Naruto faces. There's nothing you can do against a main character. So don't bend yourself all out of shape coming up with all different kinds of crazy ways to seemingly justify your insecurities of your favorite character being second fiddle to the main character. You don't need to cry salty tears for the rest of your life if you just open your eyes and allow this revelation to wash over you.

Or let the butthurt flow through you.

inb4, but Kishimoto saiiiiiiiid...
 
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Naruto and Kurama are different characters.
 

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I agree The facts can not be denied:

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