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Truth and FACTS behind Naruto and Sasuke's VoTE 2 fight.​

When people read the VoTE 2 fight they either say that "Sasuke was nerfed because he didn't do X,Y,Z" or they say that Naruto was superior because even though Sasuke had the Bijuu Chakra Naruto still matched it and whats wrong here is that people are looking at the fight from the prospective of powerups but what Kishimoto did was he had the fight take two stages. The fight stage had naruto and Sasuke with powerups and their best abilities at hand in which they stalemated. The second stage, Naruto and Sasuke had no powers at hand besides their own personal power and this is the more important of the two because in this case they didn't have immense powers to rely on so it was a true test of strength, much like how VoTE1 started out but what did we see?

The very first thing Naruto did as soon as they fell from stalemating each other was rely on the Kyuubi's chakra.

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Then Sasuke loses control of his eye and Naruto relies on his own power, Kagebunshin to perform a barrage but Sasuke countered it with his taijusu and shurikenjutsu

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Naruto counters sasuke with the help of a bunshin

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Charges at sasuke with a rasengan and tripped over canceling his own Jutsu. They had some hand to hand combat and were both exhausted then guess what happened again? Instead of continuing to fight for himself he relied on the Kyuubi's chakra. Sasuke used his jutsu to absorb it and Now bear in mind that HE COULD HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE but instead relied on the Kyuubi's chakra. lets go on and see what else happened.

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There you have it. Relies on the Kyuubi's chakra for the third time. Whats more interesting is that the chakra the Kyuubi was giving him all this time wasn't even it's own; it was just Chakra it gathered specifically to give to naruto. The whole fight was going pretty decently when they were using whatever they had available to them. Sasuke would have never been able to make that Enton Chidori if Naruto was Man enough to continue fighting for himself instead of leeching off the Kyuubi and we know he had fight left in him because he punched Sasuke into a rock. So all in all Naruto only won because he leeched off another power source but putting powerups aside, Sasuke is most likely stronger. That's manga fact.

Truth and facts behind Madara's and Hashirama's fight at VoTE

Between these two scans:

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Madara beat Hashirama out of Sage mode. So even with SM Hashirama can only beat Madara extreme high diff and fact is MAdara was only fighting Hashirama for the DNA which he swallowed, now imagine if he went with killing intent. The fight would have ended differently because in truth he could have used Izanagi when Hashirama stabbed him and then removed his head with his sword.

Truth and facts behind Itachi and the Sannin
Itachi was actually stronger than all the sannin before he hit puberty. This isn't the usual wank but simply facts based on MANGA evidence because Itachi's age in Shippuden: 21

Sasori's Statement in Shippuden: It's been over 10 years since Orochimaru left the Akatsuki

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Why Orochimaru left Akatsuki? :

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....And we all know Orochimaru was the strongest Sannin.


I just dont' get why people try to down play the Uchiha on a daily basis when they truely are the most phenominal and interesting Ninja's in the Manga. Look at Shisui, Obito and Tajima. Look at how many shinobi tried to steal the Uchiha's power and their sharingan VERSUS the number of shinobi who tried to steal the Senju's power. the difference is mind boggling. This a Facts and truth's that shouldn't be denied.
 

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They were raped by Tobirama, Danzo and Itachi. That shouldn't be denied either.
 

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Your bashing Naruto for using kyuubi chakra yet praising Madara for nearly stalemating with Hashirama, yet he used the kyuubi to do so. Dude come on
 

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Your bashing Naruto for using kyuubi chakra yet praising Madara for nearly stalemating with Hashirama while he too used the Kyuubi. Dude come on

The Kyuubi was his summon and just like Minato's, Naruto's or Jiriaya's summons it was apart of his power especially because he actually had to find and control it. Naruto was given it for free. It fought for naruto for free when he himself was overwhelmed in a battle. totally different scenarios dude
 

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Your bashing Naruto for using kyuubi chakra yet praising Madara for nearly stalemating with Hashirama, yet he used the kyuubi to do so. Dude come on

This is like insult himself lol :lmao:
 

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The Kyuubi was is summon and just like Minato's, Naruto's or Jiriaya's summons it was apart of his power especially because he actually had to find and control it. Naruto was given it for free. It fought for naruto for free when he himself was overwhelmed in a battle. totally different scenarios dude

wtf. How. Naruto had to work to control the kyuubi's chakra. That's what over half of those 700 chapters was about, Naruto's struggle with his demon and learning to control it. That required intense work. Madara capturing the kyuubi was through a simple glance. They really are the same, both utilizing the kyuubi for their own benefits
 

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Madara subdued the bijuu and Naruto works with the bijuu. Madara lost to hashirama with the kyuubi but it wasnt 2v1
 

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The Kyuubi was his summon and just like Minato's, Naruto's or Jiriaya's summons it was apart of his power especially because he actually had to find and control it. Naruto was given it for free. It fought for naruto for free when he himself was overwhelmed in a battle. totally different scenarios dude

Saying Jinchuriki used tailed beast power = given for free
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wtf. How. Naruto had to work to control the kyuubi's chakra. That's what over half of those 700 chapters was about, Naruto's struggle with his demon and learning to control it. That required intense work. Madara capturing the kyuubi was through a simple glance. They really are the same, both utilizing the kyuubi for their own benefits

he actually didn't work that hard. Even when naruto wasn't trying to control it's chakra it still fought battles for him against Orochimaru and Pain. it literally took less than an hour for naruto to take control of the Kyuubis chakra with Bee's and Kushina's help so idk what hard work you're talking about. Naruto fans try to hard sometimes

Saying Jinchuriki used tailed beast power = given for free
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Having tremendous power sealed into your body that you can use free of cost does not = having to go out, seek and control that power on your own.
 
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Madara would beat Base Hashirama, but would crushed by SM Hashirama.
 

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lol sasuke was using all of his sharingan,ems,rinnegan tech

and you want him to continue fighting by himself
 

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he actually didn't work that hard. Even when naruto wasn't trying to control it's chakra it still fought battles for him against Orochimaru and Pain. it literally took less than an hour for naruto to take control of the Kyuubis chakra with Bee's and Kushina's help so idk what hard work you're talking about. Naruto fans try to hard sometimes

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He didn't go through years of enduring hate and ridicule, all while keeping the nine tails in check? The pain he felt when the nine tails hit Sakura and injured the people he loved, yet he still made the decision to befriend the kyuubi, changing the heart of the most sinister beast. He didnt just make kyuubi his friend in one day, it was years of enduring and forgiveness that made the kyuubi realize Naruto was worth it. Not to mention the bee and kushina fight was just to forcefully control the yang chakra, actually controlling kyuubi was all Naruto.

Naruto is like my 6th favorite char so idk what your talking about m8. Either way you can't deny Madara's fight was cheap
 

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Guys please let's just stop the stupid argument that using Kurama justifies someone being weaker. The ability to control bijuu is a NATURAL power, the bijuu come from Kaguya so using them is no different to a JuubiJin using TSB or KKG feats with Kaguya's chakra.

And what most of you fail to realize is the Sharingan comes from the 10 tails so Uchiha have technically been using a tailed beast's power all along. Naruto isn't weaker than Sasuke for using Kurama's power because being a Jinchuuriki is his ability as the descendant of a JuubiJin.
 

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It's still sad how Enton Kagutsuchi wasn't even used until the end of the fight at VoTE2 when Enton Kagutsuchi could've proven useful against RSM Naruto's Kurama Avatar.
 

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The Kyuubi was his summon and just like Minato's, Naruto's or Jiriaya's summons it was apart of his power especially because he actually had to find and control it. Naruto was given it for free. It fought for naruto for free when he himself was overwhelmed in a battle. totally different scenarios dude
sasuke was given
ems = free
rinnegan = free
 

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Damn the base has gone to Sh!t...

All this crying over Naruto...it's like 'real people' are jealous over a Manga character Wtf?:lmao:
 
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He didn't go through years of enduring hate and ridicule, all while keeping the nine tails in check? The pain he felt when the nine tails hit Sakura and injured the people he loved, yet he still made the decision to befriend the kyuubi, changing the heart of the most sinister beast. He didnt just make kyuubi his friend in one day, it was years of enduring and forgiveness that made the kyuubi realize Naruto was worth it. Not to mention the bee and kushina fight was just to forcefully control the yang chakra, actually controlling kyuubi was all Naruto.

Naruto is like my 6th favorite char so idk what your talking about m8. Either way you can't deny Madara's fight was cheap

Listen bro, because I know what i'm talking about and you don't. All of that is sentimental BS.If you want to know what real pain, psycological and emotial damage is about look at what Gaara went through or what Sasuke had to endure + tsukuyomi. Naruto loses credit when you consider the FACT that he never really did controlled the Kyuubi on his own. He didn't keep the Kyuubi's power in Check Yamato and Minato did that for him. You act as if Naruto was under great mental pressure and responsibility when he really wasn't. He had help. Madara's batte wasn't cheap because he used his summon. Does that Make Orochimaru's fight against Jiraiya and Tsunade cheap because he summoned Manda? lol double standards are strong in this one.

It's still sad how Enton Kagutsuchi wasn't even used until the end of the fight at VoTE2 when Enton Kagutsuchi could've proven useful against RSM Naruto's Kurama Avatar.

I agree. He was nerfed but I didn't want this thread to be about that. I wanted to look at it from the view point that Naruto and Sasukes strength was being compared with them not having access to tremendous powers
sasuke was given
ems = free
rinnegan = free

Killing your brother and undergoing sugery and a recovery process = free?

Suffering a near death experience and being visited and bestowed with new powers = free?
 
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