If you know how fight is being done SenseiSama, there is no one shot match when it involved big battle. Author have giving you the idea how every match work and done.
Yes! Because Sasuke grew up in a time of peace for the most part. While Madara & any other migrant's grew up in a era of war an constant battle. For the most part Indra migrant's during war time gain their power on their own. (Indra gained is power/abilities by himself which was the story behind him) Sasuke didn't follow Indra or his migrant way of getting power which was by himself.
Now if we are talking about the Sasuke towards the end of WW4 then yea Sasuke became the strongest migrant but with help. & to be honest i'm not so sure that Sasuke now could beat 2Rinne Madara JJ cause of the lack of senjutsu that's needed to beat a JJ.
I thought Ashura's avatar was from his own chakra, Naruto only combined his with Kurama. It was never said the tailed beasts were handed over to Ashura.
Ashura was given ninshuu, from his Hagoromo, and Indra was jealous, but back then it was never said what happened to the tailed beasts.
Besides the fact that Hagoromo split up the tentails into nine tailed beasts, it doesn't specify what happens to them after that.
Madara had Senju cells and Sage Mode sensing feats which is why he killed Sasuke with no effort, and he absorbed Amaterasu because the Sage chakra he had allows him to use Preta Path. EMS Madara doesn't have 6 paths jutsu or Ashura healing feats to defend against the black flames
Not really, the theme of the manga is Indra = Ashura, Ashura has the large chakra reserves while Indra has the potent chakra, ultimately they have the same power level but from different chakra characteristics.
And they may have fought in war times but Sasuke was trained like he was living in war times. As a teen he displayed the same solo feats as prime Madara
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I have to disagree with you and I'll explain why EMS Sasuke would've surpasses EMS Madara. First of all you can't compare Hashirama and Madara in their prime to a 16 year old Sasuke with less than a week of experience using his new eyes.
Although Hashi may have the larger chakra reserves thanks to SM the Uchiha have the bijuu to compensate for that, EMS Sasuke should have the ability to control Kurama or any other bijuu due to his eye power, in the retrieval arc his chakra was already strong enough to suppress the 9 tail's chakra and it was compared to Madara, he was only 15 at the time.
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Secondly, at the age of 16 Sasuke used the same Susano'o on Kurama that Madara used to tank Buddha Statue, I'm reminding you that Sasuke was still young which means his chakra avatar would only continue to get stronger
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And even without the use of tailed beasts he wouldn't need chakra reserves to match Hashirama because of the abilities his eye power grants. The difference between him and Madara is that he inherited what was considered by BZ to be the strongest physical attack.
Amaterasu happens to be Mokuton's weakness because as we know Fire > Wood and Enton is the highest level of Katon
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What gives EMS Sasuke the advantage over EMS Madara is the fact he has a jutsu to match Hashirama's KKG without the need for bijuu. The jutsu itself doesn't consume as much chakra because we've seen him spam it over the course of the war.
One shot is all he needs to burn something the size of a full grown bijuu, imagine the same feat amplified by Susano'o while in his prime
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Amaterasu also happens to be very versatile, he can combine the black flames with his Susano'o weapons which have proven capable of defending against Mokuton with ease
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Something like Enton arrow would be convenient to burn targets from long distance, basically allowing him to keep safe distance and attack at the same time
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So while Madara relied on raw power to fight on equal ground with the 1st Hokage EMS Sasuke has the jutsu like Raiton and Enton that give him a better advantage and overall make him a stronger transmigrant.
Imo EMS Sasuke in his prime would've surpassed Hashirama and Madara if he also had Kurama as a summon because of the versatility of his jutsu and the theme of the manga is "the next generation surpasses the previous one".
We know BSM Naruto in his prime would've surpassed the 1st Hokage, and because Sasuke = Naruto, EMS Sasuke in his prime would've also surpassed Hashirama as well as Madara.
Bro you're the one comparing a child to adults ! EMS sasuke in the war arc had no chance of beating hashirama or Madara alone .. Even with Amaterasu your logic is based off of what he's done in the past and we actually got to see what he could do along side the 1st and Madara and it wasn't much ! Like I said adult sasuke could wipe the floor with them both but 16 year old sasuke with just EMS loses..
I don't know why your so obssessed with EMS sasuke but he's not that great.. His perfect sussano isn't even better then kakashis and he still needed the rennigan to even be on par with naruto ! If you compare naruto a war arc feats to sasukes it favors naruto and even 16 year old bijuu mode naruto wouldn't beat the 1st or Madara at that age so where is your logic..
Stop comparing a child to adults lol and stop saying they showed the same feats at that age because it's obvious they showed the same feats that's why there stronger now as adults but just because they showed the feats at a younger age doesn't mean they would've won at that age!
doesnt mention the huge amount of NE that naruto gathered in addition to what he had. also madara with kurama lost physically, sasuke didnt yet he is the weakest? also were does it say ashura had the bijju? begon troll.
as for that guy arguing EMs sasuke beating hashirama, stop. hashirama wrecks Ems sasuke+Ems madara(without kyuubi) at once. the buddha shatters their ps and buries them on the floor.
doesnt mention the huge amount of NE that naruto gathered in addition to what he had. also madara with kurama lost physically, sasuke didnt yet he is the weakest? also were does it say ashura had the bijju? begon troll.
as for that guy arguing EMs sasuke beating hashirama, stop. hashirama wrecks Ems sasuke+Ems madara(without kyuubi) at once. the buddha shatters their ps and buries them on the floor.
Bold. have a chance? current sasuke wrecks hashirama let alone having a chance
Seem like you unable to properly gauge Hashirama's power and his Jutsu scale.
Plus that Beast he shot with Ama was not as big as Full Kurama size. Full Kurama size was as large as a single mountain.
Full Gyuki size is same as half Kurama size
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Real size is here for Kurama and Buddha.
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Madara final susanoo size compare to Kurama
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Madara PS size
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Sasuke full body Susanoo and Naruto half Kurama beast mode
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Mokujin and Madara PS size
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To sum it up.
Its true that EMS Sasuke's non Rikudou Susanoo/PS is not similar in size to EMS Madara's PS. Age and maturity couldn't/wont influence the size of PS. It be given. Even I doubt EMS Sasuke's chakra level is comparable to EMS Madara's chakra level. Given how they both already showing their feats in war. Madara is more raw than Sasuke.
Kishi not giving us the slightest hint/clue that could give us the idea of EMS Sasuke will surpass EMS Madara in his life time if without Rikudou power.
Only statements said by some characters is "he will surpass Madara one day" but that is not enough. For me Kishi not putting/using that statement in the context of EMS but Rikudou power or he neglecting it overall.
Now I go to Amaterasu subject. Yes it able to burn any wood easily(element/natural). But throwing those said jutsu still is not enough to burn gigantic size of Mokuton release jutsu
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This Mokuton is Gigantic compare to one Sasuke cut in war arc. Refer back to the scan that show Full Kurama and Buddha size.
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I will say the branch/root he cut is same size as Full Gyuuki size.
Spamming Amaterasu to burn all those gigantic Mokuton forest created by Chakra powerhouse like Hshirama will eat EMS Sasuke's chakra bcus it been established how large Hashi's chakra reserve was. He can create numbers of Jutsu to attack EMS Sasuke at once (Example, flower tree world(It pollen if inhale can put you to sleep), Mokuton Dragon, Mokuton Golem, Gate of the great God, and others). Try to burn all with Enton or Ama couldnt be an easy task.
He could spam numbers of Amaterasu attack bcus his situation is not that challenging.
1- He used it on juubito (two times)
2- Used it on Juubi.
But most of it was not in serious fight. Juubi got restricted. Juubito just standing and waiting.
But here it up against Hashi and his jutsus one on one. Even Ama couldnt do many thing when he and Itachi was facing Kabuto with all his close environment jutsu advantages. And Hashi is expert in open environment Jutsu.
You need to consider the real size of Hashi's jutsu and the versatility of Hashi in using his jutsu.
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We know Juubi size is close to Buddha size. And from that we can conclude the size of Gyuki in that scan is 1/10 of Juubi size and 1/5 of Full Kurama size.
I agree with you. There's no way Sasuke could surpass Madara. It all depends on who your referencing in the manga because alot of fodder ninga said Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage and that clearly isnt true. Thats why i feel that Sasuke and Itachi both are incarnations of Indra one repping Intelligence and the other repping The Unknown of self. Kinda like Hao and Yoh from shaman king except their not twins lol
