Historian arrested for free speech.

[Brian Griffin]

In 2015, Ursula Haverbeck made history in a defiant interview in which she threw down the gauntlet to the biggest taboo of our times. Revisionism,handed 10-month jail sentence for denying the Holocaust.
[video=youtube;WPa_QeV9KDM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPa_QeV9KDM[/video]
In the interview with the ARD network she claimed the death camp of Auschwitz in Nazi occupied Poland, where at least 1.1 million people were murdered, was 'nothing more than a labour camp.'The debate was aired on German public television and broadcast all over Europe. It was the first time anyone has been allowed to question the official holocaust death toll on German television.Police stormed and ransacked her home along with the homes of three of her supporters.

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This makes no sense when people can deny racism,Native american genocide..etc and not go to gail.

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Germany[edit]§ 130 Incitement to hatred[edit]
In Germany, Volksverhetzung ("incitement of the people")[29][30] is a concept in German criminal law that bans incitement to hatred against segments of the population. It often applies to (though not limited to) trials relating to Holocaust denial in Germany. In addition, Strafgesetzbuch § 86a outlaws various symbols of "unconstitutional organisations", such as the Swastika and the SS runes.


§ 130 Incitement to hatred (1985, Revised 1992, 2002, 2005, 2015)[31][32]


(1) Whosoever, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace:


incites hatred against a national, racial, religious group or a group defined by their ethnic origins, against segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population or calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them; or
assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group, segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population, or defaming segments of the population,
shall be liable to imprisonment from three months to five years.[31][32]


(...)


(3) Whosoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or downplays an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the kind indicated in section 6 (1) of the Code of International Criminal Law, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding five years or a fine.[31][32]


(4) Whosoever publicly or in a meeting disturbs the public peace in a manner that violates the dignity of the victims by approving of, glorifying, or justifying National Socialist rule of arbitrary force shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding three years or a fine.[31][32]


The definition of section 6 of the Code of Crimes against International Law referenced in the above § 130 is as follows:


§ 6 Genocide


(1) Whoever with the intent of destroying as such, in whole or in part, a national, racial, religious or ethnic group:


kills a member of the group,
causes serious bodily or mental harm to a member of the group, especially of the kind referred to in section 226 of the Criminal Code,
inflicts on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction in whole or in part,
imposes measures intended to prevent births within the group,
forcibly transfers a child of the group to another group, shall be punished with imprisonment for life.

Others who were jailed include David Irving,Ernst Zündel and his advocate for being his lawyer Sylvia Stolz(just watch 1st 5 minutes of

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),Robert Faurisson

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[Filosoofis]

In 2015, Ursula Haverbeck made history in a defiant interview in which she threw down the gauntlet to the biggest taboo of our times. Revisionism,handed 10-month jail sentence for denying the Holocaust.
[video=youtube;WPa_QeV9KDM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPa_QeV9KDM[/video]
In the interview with the ARD network she claimed the death camp of Auschwitz in Nazi occupied Poland, where at least 1.1 million people were murdered, was 'nothing more than a labour camp.'The debate was aired on German public television and broadcast all over Europe. It was the first time anyone has been allowed to question the official holocaust death toll on German television.Police stormed and ransacked her home along with the homes of three of her supporters.

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This makes no sense when people can deny racism,Native american genocide..etc and not go to gail.

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Germany[edit]§ 130 Incitement to hatred[edit]
In Germany, Volksverhetzung ("incitement of the people")[29][30] is a concept in German criminal law that bans incitement to hatred against segments of the population. It often applies to (though not limited to) trials relating to Holocaust denial in Germany. In addition, Strafgesetzbuch § 86a outlaws various symbols of "unconstitutional organisations", such as the Swastika and the SS runes.


§ 130 Incitement to hatred (1985, Revised 1992, 2002, 2005, 2015)[31][32]


(1) Whosoever, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace:


incites hatred against a national, racial, religious group or a group defined by their ethnic origins, against segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population or calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them; or
assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group, segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population, or defaming segments of the population,
shall be liable to imprisonment from three months to five years.[31][32]


(...)


(3) Whosoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or downplays an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the kind indicated in section 6 (1) of the Code of International Criminal Law, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding five years or a fine.[31][32]


(4) Whosoever publicly or in a meeting disturbs the public peace in a manner that violates the dignity of the victims by approving of, glorifying, or justifying National Socialist rule of arbitrary force shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding three years or a fine.[31][32]


The definition of section 6 of the Code of Crimes against International Law referenced in the above § 130 is as follows:


§ 6 Genocide


(1) Whoever with the intent of destroying as such, in whole or in part, a national, racial, religious or ethnic group:


kills a member of the group,
causes serious bodily or mental harm to a member of the group, especially of the kind referred to in section 226 of the Criminal Code,
inflicts on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction in whole or in part,
imposes measures intended to prevent births within the group,
forcibly transfers a child of the group to another group, shall be punished with imprisonment for life.

Others who were jailed include David Irving,Ernst Zündel and his advocate for being his lawyer Sylvia Stolz(just watch 1st 5 minutes of

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),Robert Faurisson

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Everyone had the right to deny whatever he feels like. When he denies it doesn't make it a fact so let him do. I myself do believe the holocaust happened but I'm not sure about the statistics since they never really counted for all I know but only estimated 6 million Jews that died. And especially since there aren't or even weren't that many Jews in the world is 6 million a big number. Unless there were as many Jews as Muslims now in Europe than 6 million is possible.

So like I said let this guy deny whatever he wants to deny. Everyone is entitled to their opinion wether it's good or bad.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Just like you can't arrest people for sheer stupidity, you can't arrest people for denying the Holocaust, even though there is video evidence of the event occurring (such as workers bulldozing dozens of Jewish corpses into mass graves). You can't arrest people for speaking their mind, no matter how utterly stupid and false it may be, for there may be those rare moments where the unpopular opinion turns out to be true and we would have arrested a truthspeaker.

I myself do believe the holocaust happened but I'm not sure about the statistics since they never really counted for all I know but only estimated 6 million Jews that died. And especially since there aren't or even weren't that many Jews in the world is 6 million a big number. Unless there were as many Jews as Muslims now in Europe than 6 million is possible.

Is the discrepancy the total number of people died, or the total number of Jewish people who died? Because the statistics you viewed may have also tacked on the Atheists, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Prisoners of War, and Nazi Opposition that also perished in that event but forgot to specify.

 

[Marin]

She didnt deserve jail but she definitely didnt deserve to be called a historian.

 

[Josh]

Obviously, she wasn't allowed to deny it publicly otherwise she wouldn't have been jailed afterward. And as for denying the other things you mentioned: were they acts committed by the National Socialistic Party? If not, then what is your complaint about? The law states that denying acts committed under Nazi rule, acts that have been factually proven, is prohibited as it can disturb the peace and I imagine the logic behind it is to prevent anyone from trying to re-instate the Nazi Party by claiming that the factually proven acts did not occur as have been shown. The whole success of the Nazi Party was due to making the public believe that the Jews were being sent to harmless labour camps when they were in fact being murdered.

The world & Germany do not need nor want the Nazi Party and their ideals to resurface and that is the point of that law. You can call it free speech if you want, but I can easily see it as being hate speech with the potential to undo all that has been already done to stop that propaganda. Based on the law, she is free to feel and think that way in a private setting but she errd by stating those views publicly, on television, for the world to see.

So your issue is null and void. Publicly denying the holocaust is illegal in Germany and she violated that law. Don't like it? Vote to get it changed though that is a futile effort.

 

[Deadlift]

I've met other people who negated Holocaust, and, exactly like this dumbass, they were a bunch of Fascist *******s

 

[Josh]

Everyone had the right to deny whatever he feels like. When he denies it doesn't make it a fact so let him do. I myself do believe the holocaust happened but I'm not sure about the statistics since they never really counted for all I know but only estimated 6 million Jews that died. And especially since there aren't or even weren't that many Jews in the world is 6 million a big number. Unless there were as many Jews as Muslims now in Europe than 6 million is possible.

So like I said let this guy deny whatever he wants to deny. Everyone is entitled to their opinion wether it's good or bad.

Just like you can't arrest people for sheer stupidity, you can't arrest people for denying the Holocaust, even though there is video evidence of the event occurring (such as workers bulldozing dozens of Jewish corpses into mass graves). You can't arrest people for speaking their mind, no matter how utterly stupid and false it may be, for there may be those rare moments where the unpopular opinion turns out to be true and we would have arrested a truthspeaker.



Is the discrepancy the total number of people died, or the total number of Jewish people who died? Because the statistics you viewed may have also tacked on the Atheists, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Prisoners of War, and Nazi Opposition that also perished in that event but forgot to specify.

Are either of you German or happen to know the rights and protections afforded to German citizens? No? Then you must be quoting the First Amendment Rights Afforded to U.S. citizens under the U.S. Constitution. That doesn't apply to other countries and nations. So please tell me how the German Government "can't arrest" someone for breaking the law within their Jurisdiction.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Are either of you German or happen to know the rights and protections afforded to German citizens? No? Then you must be quoting the First Amendment Rights Afforded to U.S. citizens under the U.S. Constitution. That doesn't apply to other countries and nations. So please tell me how the German Government "can't arrest" someone for breaking the law within their Jurisdiction.

You're correct that this is the law in Germany, so can't isn't the correct word in this situation. Shouldn't is the better word.

 

[Deadlift]

Are either of you German or happen to know the rights and protections afforded to German citizens? No? Then you must be quoting the First Amendment Rights Afforded to U.S. citizens under the U.S. Constitution. That doesn't apply to other countries and nations. So please tell me how the German Government "can't arrest" someone for breaking the law within their Jurisdiction.

For what I know, in Germany it's forbidden to do the Nazi salute and even to speak aspirating the "ch" sound..

OT: I just remembered that Turkish and Azerbaijani governments completely deny Armenians' genocide and this incredibly pisses me off

 

[Brian Griffin]

Just like you can't arrest people for sheer stupidity, you can't arrest people for denying the Holocaust, even though there is video evidence of the event occurring (such as workers bulldozing dozens of Jewish corpses into mass graves). You can't arrest people for speaking their mind, no matter how utterly stupid and false it may be, for there may be those rare moments where the unpopular opinion turns out to be true and we would have arrested a truthspeaker.



Is the discrepancy the total number of people died, or the total number of Jewish people who died? Because the statistics you viewed may have also tacked on the Atheists, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Prisoners of War, and Nazi Opposition that also perished in that event but forgot to specify.

Those bodies were dug up by soviets to make the propaganda movie,the bodies belonged to people who died of starvation,disease,Gypsies even germen dead bodies (No way to really tell if any were actually jews).There were no 6 million dead bodies in that video,may be a few 1000 (It was a world war),and many of the bodies were shown multiple times,some times
posing it over fence.
The video also show jew lamp shades and some other ridiculous ww2 myths.

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Obviously, she wasn't allowed to deny it publicly otherwise she wouldn't have been jailed afterward. And as for denying the other things you mentioned: were they acts committed by the National Socialistic Party? If not, then what is your complaint about? The law states that denying acts committed under Nazi rule, acts that have been factually proven, is prohibited as it can disturb the peace and I imagine the logic behind it is to prevent anyone from trying to re-instate the Nazi Party by claiming that the factually proven acts did not occur as have been shown. The whole success of the Nazi Party was due to making the public believe that the Jews were being sent to harmless labour camps when they were in fact being murdered.

The world & Germany do not need nor want the Nazi Party and their ideals to resurface and that is the point of that law. You can call it free speech if you want, but I can easily see it as being hate speech with the potential to undo all that has been already done to stop that propaganda. Based on the law, she is free to feel and think that way in a private setting but she errd by stating those views publicly, on television, for the world to see.

So your issue is null and void. Publicly denying the holocaust is illegal in Germany and she violated that law. Don't like it? Vote to get it changed though that is a futile effort.

We don't have such laws any where in the world,many nation's has Neo-Nazi's,kkk nothing bad happens there.Hitler raised to power because German's felt they had no freedom of speech,so basically law could bring back fascism.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I take it that she got arrested in Germany? iirc it's illegal to deny the holocaust there.

 

[Brian Griffin]

I take it that she got arrested in Germany? iirc it's illegal to deny the holocaust there.

Not just Germany.Here goes the list......

Australia[edit]
While Australia lacks a specific law against Holocaust denial, Holocaust denial is prosecuted in Australia under various laws against "hate speech" and "racial vilification".[16][17] Gerald Fredrick Töben and his Adelaide Institute are the best-known case of someone being prosecuted in Australia for Holocaust denial.[18]


Austria[edit]
In Austria, the Verbotsgesetz 1947 provided the legal framework for the process of denazification in Austria and suppression of any potential revival of Nazism. In 1992, it was amended to prohibit the denial or gross minimisation of the Holocaust.


National Socialism Prohibition Law (1947, amendments of 1992)


§ 3g. He who operates in a manner characterized other than that in § § 3a – 3f will be punished (revitalising of the NSDAP or identification with), with imprisonment from one to up to ten years, and in cases of particularly dangerous suspects or activity, be punished with up to twenty years' imprisonment.[19]


§ 3h. As an amendment to § 3 g., whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse the National Socialist genocide or other National Socialist crimes against humanity in a print publication, in broadcast or other media.[20]

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Belgium[edit]
In Belgium, Holocaust denial was made illegal in 1995.


Negationism Law (1995, amendments of 1999)


Article 1 Whoever, in the circumstances given in article 444 of the Penal Code denies, grossly minimises, attempts to justify, or approves the genocide committed by the German National Socialist Regime during the Second World War shall be punished by a prison sentence of eight days to one year, and by a fine of twenty six francs to five thousand francs. For the application of the previous paragraph, the term genocide is meant in the sense of article 2 of the International Treaty of 9 December 1948 on preventing and combating genocide. In the event of repetitions, the guilty party may in addition have his civic rights suspended in accordance with article 33 of the Penal Code.


Art.2 In the event of a conviction on account of a violation under this Act, it may be ordered that the judgement, in its entity or an excerpt of it, is published in one of more newspapers, and is displayed, to the charge of the guilty party.


Art.3. Chapter VII of the First Book of the Penal Code and Article 85 of the same Code are also applicable to this Act.


Art. 4. The Centre for Equal Opportunities and Opposition to Racism, as well as any association that at the time of the facts had a legal personality for at least five years, and which, on the grounds of its statutes, has the objective of defending moral interests and the honour of the resistance or the deported, may act in law in all legal disputes arising from the application of this Act.[21]


Bosnia and Herzegovina[edit]
In May 2007 Ekrem Ajanovic, a Bosniak MP in the Bosnian Parliament proposed a legislation on criminalizing the denial of Holocaust, genocide and crimes against humanity. This was the first time that somebody in Bosnia and Herzegovina's Parliament proposed such a legislation. Bosnian Serb MPs voted against this legislation and proposed that such an issue should be resolved within the Criminal Code of Bosnia and Herzegovina.[22] Following this, on 6 May 2009 Bosniak MPs Adem Huskic, Ekrem Ajanovic and Remzija Kadric proposed to the BH parliament a change to the Criminal Code of Bosnia and Herzegovina where Holocaust, genocide and crimes against humanity denial would be criminalized.[23] Bosnian Serb MPs have repeatedly been against such a legislation claiming that the law "would cause disagreement and even animosity" according to SNSD member Lazar Prodanovic.[24]


Czech Republic[edit]
In the Czech Republic, Holocaust denial and denial of communist perpetrated atrocities is illegal.


Law Against Support and Dissemination of Movements Oppressing Human Rights and Freedoms (2001)


§ 260 (1) The person who supports or spreads movements oppressing human rights and freedoms or declares national, race, religious or class hatred or hatred against other group of persons will be punished by prison from 1 to 5 years. (2) The person will be imprisoned from 3 to 8 years if: a) he/she commits the crime mentioned in paragraph (1) in print, film, radio, television or other similarly effective manner, b) he/she commits the crime as a member of an organized group c) he/she commits the crime in a state of national emergency or state of war


§ 261 The person who publicly declares sympathies with such a movement mentioned in § 260, will be punished by prison from 6 months to 3 years.


§ 261a The person who publicly denies, puts in doubt, approves or tries to justify nazi or communist genocide or other crimes of nazis or communists will be punished by prison of 6 months to 3 years.[25]


France[edit]
In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945–46. When the act was challenged by Robert Faurisson, the Human Rights Committee upheld it as a necessary means to counter possible antisemitism.[26] In 2012, the Constitutional Council of France ruled that to extend the Gayssot Act to the Armenian Genocide denial was unconstitutional because it violated the freedom of speech.[27]


LAW No 90-615 to repress acts of racism, anti-semitism and xenophobia (1990)


MODIFICATIONS OF THE LAW OF JULY 29, 1881 ON THE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS Art 8. – Article 24 of the Law on the Freedom of the Press of 29 July 1881 is supplemented by the following provisions: In the event of judgment for one of the facts envisaged by the preceding subparagraph, the court will be able moreover to order: Except when the responsibility for the author of the infringement is retained on the base for article 42 and the first subparagraph for article 43 for this law or the first three subparagraphs for article 93-3 for the law No 82-652 for July 29, 1982 on the audio-visual communication, the deprivation of the rights enumerated to the 2o and 3o of article 42 of the penal code for imprisonment of five years maximum;


Art 9. – As an amendment to Article 24 of the law of July 29, 1881 on the freedom of the press, article 24 (a) is as follows written: <<Art. 24 (a). - those who have disputed the existence of one or more crimes against humanity such as they are defined by Article 6 of the statute of the international tribunal military annexed in the agreement of London of August 8, 1945 and which were a carried out either by the members of an organization declared criminal pursuant to Article 9 of the aforementioned statute, or by a person found guilty such crimes by a French or international jurisdiction shall be punished by one month to one year's imprisonment or a fine.


Art 13. – It is inserted, after article 48-1 of the law of July 29, 1881 on the freedom of the press, article 48-2 thus written: <<Art. 48-2. - publication or publicly expressed opinion encouraging those to whom it is addressed to pass a favourable moral judgment on one or more crimes against humanity and tending to justify these crimes (including collaboration) or vindicate their perpetrators shall be punished by one to five years' imprisonment or a fine.[28]


Hungary[edit]
The Parliament of Hungary declared the denial or trivialization of the Holocaust a crime punishable by up to three years' imprisonment on February 23, 2010.[36] The law was signed by the President of the Republic in March 2010.[37] On June 8, 2010, the newly elected Fidesz-dominated parliament changed the formulation of the law to "punish those, who deny the genocides committed by national socialist or communist systems, or deny other facts of deeds against humanity".[38] The word "Holocaust" is no longer in the law.


In 2011, the first man was charged with Holocaust denial in Budapest. The Court sentenced the man to 18 months in prison, suspended for three years, and probation. He also had to visit either Budapest's memorial museum, Auschwitz or Yad Vashem in Jerusalem. He chose his local Holocaust Memorial Center and had to make three visits in total and record his observations.[39]


In January 2015, the court ordered far-right on-line newspaper Kuruc.info to delete its article denying the Holocaust published in July 2013, which was the first ruling in Hungary of its kind.[40] The Association for Civil Liberties (TASZ) offered free legal aid to the website as a protest against restrictions on freedom of speech,[41] but the site refused citing the liberal views of the association, and also refused to delete the article.[42]

Israel[edit]
In Israel, a law to criminalize Holocaust denial was passed by the Knesset on July 8, 1986.


Denial of Holocaust (Prohibition) Law, 5746-1986


Definitions 1. In this Law, "crime against the Jewish people" and "crime against humanity" have the same respective meanings as in the "Nazis and Nazi Collaborators Law, 5710-1950.


Prohibition of Denial of Holocaust 2. A person who, in writing or by word of mouth, publishes any statement denying or diminishing the proportions of acts committed in the period of the Nazi regime, which are crimes against the Jewish people or crimes against humanity, with intent to defend the perpetrators of those acts or to express sympathy or identification with them, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of five years.


Prohibition of publication of expression for sympathy for Nazi crimes 3. A person who, in writing or by word of mouth, publishes any statement expressing praise or sympathy for or identification with acts done in the period of the Nazi regime, which are crimes against the Jewish people or crimes against humanity, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of five years.


Permitted publication 4. The publication of a correct and fair report of a publication prohibited by this Law shall not be regarded as an offence thereunder so long as it is not made with intent to express sympathy or identification with the perpetrators of crimes against the Jewish people or against humanity.


Filing of charge 5. An indictment for offences under this Law shall only be filed by or with the consent of the Attorney-General.[43]


Liechtenstein[edit]
Although not specifically outlining national socialist crimes, item five of section 283 of Liechtenstein's criminal code prohibits the denial of genocide.


§ 283 Race discrimination


Whoever publicly denies, coarsely trivialises, or tries to justify genocide or other crimes against humanity via word, writing, pictures, electronically transmitted signs, gestures, violent acts or by other means shall be punished with imprisonment for up to two years.[44]


Lithuania[edit]
In Lithuania, approval and denial of Nazi or Soviet crimes is prohibited.


170(2) Publicly condoning international crimes, crimes of the USSR or Nazi Germany against the Republic of Lithuania and her inhabitants, denial or belittling of such crimes.[45]

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Luxembourg[edit]
In Luxembourg, Article 457-3 of the Criminal Code, Act of 19 July 1997 outlaws Holocaust denial and denial of other genocides.[46] The punishment is imprisonment for between 8 days and 6 months and/or a fine.[46] The offence of "negationism and revisionism" applies to:


...anyone who has contested, minimised, justified or denied the existence of war crimes or crimes against humanity as defined in the statutes of the International Military Tribunal of 8 August 1945 or the existence of a genocide as defined by the Act of 8 August 1985. A complaint must be lodged by the person against whom the offence was committed (victim or association) in order for proceedings to be brought, Article 450 of the Criminal Code, Act of 19 July 1997.[46]


Netherlands[edit]
While Holocaust denial is not explicitly illegal in the Netherlands, the courts consider it a form of spreading hatred and therefore an offence.[47] According to the Dutch public prosecution office, offensive remarks are only punishable by Dutch law if they equate to discrimination against a particular group.[48] The relevant laws of the Dutch penal code are as follows:


Article 137c


He who in public, either verbally or in writing or image, deliberately offends a group of people because of their race, their religion or beliefs, their hetero- or homosexual orientation or their physical, psychological or mental handicap, shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding one year or a fine of the third category. [...][49]
Article 137d


He who in public, either verbally or in writing or image, incites hatred or discrimination against people or incites acts of violence towards people or property of people because of their race, their religion or beliefs, their gender, their hetero- or homosexual orientation or their physical, psychological or mental handicap, shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding one year or a fine of the third category. [...][50]
Poland[edit]
In Poland, Holocaust denial and the denial of communist crimes is punishable by law.


Act of 18 December 1998 on the Institute of National Remembrance – Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation (Dz.U. 1998 nr 155 poz. 1016)


Article 55
He who publicly and contrary to facts contradicts the crimes mentioned in Article 1, clause 1 shall be subject to a fine or a penalty of deprivation of liberty of up to three years. The judgment shall be made publicly known.


Article 1
This Act shall govern:
1. the registration, collection, access, management and use of the documents of the organs of state security created and collected between 22 July 1944 and 31 December 1989, and the documents of the organs of security of the Third Reich and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics concerning:


a) crimes perpetrated against persons of Polish nationality and Polish citizens of other ethnicity, nationalities in the period between 1 September 1939 and 31 December 1989:
- Nazi crimes,
- communist crimes,
- other crimes constituting crimes against peace, crimes against humanity or war crimes
b) other politically motivated repressive measures committed by functionaries of Polish prosecution bodies or the judiciary or persons acting upon their orders, and disclosed in the content of the rulings given pursuant to the Act of 23 February 1991 on the Acknowledgement as Null and Void Decisions Delivered on Persons Repressed for Activities for the Benefit of the Independent Polish State (Journal of Laws of 1993 No. 34, item 149, of 1995 No. 36, item 159, No. 28, item 143, and of 1998 No. 97, item 604),
2. the rules of procedure as regards the prosecution of crimes specified in point 1 letter a),
3. the protection of the personal data of grieved parties, and
4. the conduct of activities as regards public education.[51]


Portugal[edit]
Although denial of the Holocaust is not expressly illegal in Portugal, Portuguese law prohibits denial of war crimes if used to incite to discrimination.


Article 240: Racial, religious, or sexual discrimination


[…]


2 — Whoever in a public meeting, in writing intended for dissemination, or by any means of mass media or computer system whose purpose is to disseminate:


[…]
b) defames or slanders an individual or group of individuals because of race, colour, ethnic or national origin, or religion, particularly through the denial of war crimes or those against peace and humanity;
[…]
with intent to incite to racial, religious or sexual discrimination or to encourage it, shall be punished with imprisonment from six months to five years.[52]


Romania[edit]
In Romania, Emergency Ordinance No. 31 of March 13, 2002 prohibits Holocaust denial. It was ratified on May 6, 2006. The law also prohibits racist, fascist, xenophobic symbols, uniforms and gestures: proliferation of which is punishable with imprisonment from between six months to five years.


Emergency Ordinance No. 31 of March 13, 2002


[...]


Article 3. – (1) Establishing a fascist, racist or xenophobic organisation is punishable by imprisonment from 5 to 15 years and the loss of certain rights.


[...]


Article 4. – (1) The dissemination, sale or manufacture of symbols either fascist, racist or xenophobic, and possession of such symbols is punished with imprisonment from 6 months to 5 years and the loss of certain rights.


[...]


Article 5. – Promoting the culture of persons guilty of committing a crime against peace and humanity or promoting fascist, racist or xenophobic ideology, through propaganda, committed by any means, in public, is punishable by imprisonment from 6 months to 5 years and the loss of certain rights.


Article 6. – Denial of the Holocaust in public, or to the effects thereof is punishable by imprisonment from 6 months to 5 years and the loss of certain rights.[53]


Spain[edit]
Genocide denial was illegal in Spain until the Constitutional Court of Spain ruled that the words "deny or" were unconstitutional in its judgement of November 7, 2007.[54] As a result, Holocaust denial is legal in Spain, although justifying the Holocaust or any other genocide is an offence punishable by imprisonment in accordance with the constitution.[55]


PENAL CODE- BOOK II, TITLE XXIV Crimes against the International Community




Chapter II: Crimes of genocide – Article 6071.


1. Those who, with the intention to total or partially destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, perpetrate the following acts, will be punished:


1) With the prison sentence of fifteen to twenty years, if they killed to some of its members.
If the fact two or more aggravating circumstances concurred in, the greater punishment in degree will prevail.
2) With the prison of fifteen to twenty years, if they sexually attacked to some of members [of the group] or produced some of the injuries anticipated in article 149.
3) With prison sentence of eight to fifteen years, if they subjected the group or anyone of its individuals to conditions of existence that put their lives in danger or seriously disturbed their health, or when they produced some to them of the injuries anticipated in article 150.
4) With the same punishment, if they carried out [unavoidable] displacements of the group or their members, they adopted any measurement that tend to prevent their sort of life or reproduction, or transferred by force individuals from a group to another one.
5) With imprisonment of four to eight years, if they produced any other injury different from the ones indicated in numbers 2) and 3) of this section.
2. The diffusion by any means of ideas or doctrines that deny or justify the crimes in the previous section of this article, or tries the rehabilitation of regimes or institutions which they protect generating practices of such, will be punished with a prison sentence of one to two years.[56]


Switzerland[edit]
Holocaust denial is not expressly illegal in Switzerland, but the denial of genocide and other crimes against humanity is an imprisonable offence.


Art. 261bis 1


Racial discrimination


Whoever publicly, by word, writing, image, gesture, acts of violence or any other manner, demeans or discriminates against an individual or a group of individuals because of their race, their ethnicity or their religion in a way which undermines human dignity, or on those bases, denies, coarsely minimizes or seeks to justify a genocide or other crimes against humanity [...] shall be punished with up to three years' imprisonment or a fine.[57]

 

[Josh]

You're correct that this is the law in Germany, so can't isn't the correct word in this situation. Shouldn't is the better word.

Sounds better lol... Though I do personally disagree with your position... But that's just me.

For what I know, in Germany it's forbidden to do the Nazi salute and even to speak aspirating the "ch" sound..

OT: I just remembered that Turkish and Azerbaijani governments completely deny Armenians' genocide and this incredibly pisses me off

It's indeed interesting to note those things but I do see it different than simply banning the discussion of a defeated nation/party. The horrendous acts done by that party and how they lied to their own countrymen are what sets them apart. They are trying to do the same in the United States about the Confederate army, but it's a bit of the reverse. The lies are being told now versus back when it actually happened. It doesn't work that way. The laws in Germany are not new from my understanding and the United States has no laws preventing the descendants from displaying or speaking of their Confederate heritage. It wasn't completely about race, but that's now what they teach and what they are trying to use to ban it; but the laws of the USA don't work that way. Germany is a bit of a different situation. It's never good for any nation to pretend atrocities that have been proven true, are false.

 

[Deadlift]

Sounds better lol... Though I do personally disagree with your position... But that's just me.


It's indeed interesting to note those things but I do see it different than simply banning the discussion of a defeated nation/party. The horrendous acts done by that party and how they lied to their own countrymen are what sets them apart. They are trying to do the same in the United States about the Confederate army, but it's a bit of the reverse. The lies are being told now versus back when it actually happened. It doesn't work that way. The laws in Germany are not new from my understanding and the United States has no laws preventing the descendants from displaying or speaking of their Confederate heritage. It was completely about race, but that's now what they teach and what they are trying to use to ban it; but the laws of the USA don't work that way. Germany is a bit of a different situation. It's never good for any nation to pretend atrocities that have been proven true, are false.

You reminded me that confederate flag is considered highly racist in the US. I don't think it could be a good idea to ban it completely by the way.
Well, at least in Germany their laws get respected. In Italy you have to be in 5 doing the Fascist greeting to have a 20% chance to get noticed by police.
Mussolini's granddaughter is a politician and tries to completely ban anti-Fascist laws

 

[MangaArtist007]

11 million civilians were murdered - 5 million Jewish adults and 1 million Jewish children. Towards the end of the war there was a Nazi effort to hide the genocide, which included, amongst other things "death marches" to hide the systematic massacres by spreading out bodies.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Just for that? Wow.

 

[Josh]

Those bodies were dug up by soviets to make the propaganda movie,the bodies belonged to people who died of starvation,disease,Gypsies even germen dead bodies (No way to really tell if any were actually jews).There were no 6 million dead bodies in that video,may be a few 1000 (It was a world war),and many of the bodies were shown multiple times,some times
posing it over fence.
The video also show jew lamp shades and some other ridiculous ww2 myths.



We don't have such laws any where in the world,many nation's has Neo-Nazi's,kkk nothing bad happens there.Hitler raised to power because German's felt they had no freedom of speech,so basically law could bring back fascism.

Not just Germany.Here goes the list......

Australia[edit]
While Australia lacks a specific law against Holocaust denial, Holocaust denial is prosecuted in Australia under various laws against "hate speech" and "racial vilification".[16][17] Gerald Fredrick Töben and his Adelaide Institute are the best-known case of someone being prosecuted in Australia for Holocaust denial.[18]


Austria[edit]
In Austria, the Verbotsgesetz 1947 provided the legal framework for the process of denazification in Austria and suppression of any potential revival of Nazism. In 1992, it was amended to prohibit the denial or gross minimisation of the Holocaust.


National Socialism Prohibition Law (1947, amendments of 1992)


§ 3g. He who operates in a manner characterized other than that in § § 3a – 3f will be punished (revitalising of the NSDAP or identification with), with imprisonment from one to up to ten years, and in cases of particularly dangerous suspects or activity, be punished with up to twenty years' imprisonment.[19]


§ 3h. As an amendment to § 3 g., whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse the National Socialist genocide or other National Socialist crimes against humanity in a print publication, in broadcast or other media.[20]

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Belgium[edit]
In Belgium, Holocaust denial was made illegal in 1995.


Negationism Law (1995, amendments of 1999)


Article 1 Whoever, in the circumstances given in article 444 of the Penal Code denies, grossly minimises, attempts to justify, or approves the genocide committed by the German National Socialist Regime during the Second World War shall be punished by a prison sentence of eight days to one year, and by a fine of twenty six francs to five thousand francs. For the application of the previous paragraph, the term genocide is meant in the sense of article 2 of the International Treaty of 9 December 1948 on preventing and combating genocide. In the event of repetitions, the guilty party may in addition have his civic rights suspended in accordance with article 33 of the Penal Code.


Art.2 In the event of a conviction on account of a violation under this Act, it may be ordered that the judgement, in its entity or an excerpt of it, is published in one of more newspapers, and is displayed, to the charge of the guilty party.


Art.3. Chapter VII of the First Book of the Penal Code and Article 85 of the same Code are also applicable to this Act.


Art. 4. The Centre for Equal Opportunities and Opposition to Racism, as well as any association that at the time of the facts had a legal personality for at least five years, and which, on the grounds of its statutes, has the objective of defending moral interests and the honour of the resistance or the deported, may act in law in all legal disputes arising from the application of this Act.[21]


Bosnia and Herzegovina[edit]
In May 2007 Ekrem Ajanovic, a Bosniak MP in the Bosnian Parliament proposed a legislation on criminalizing the denial of Holocaust, genocide and crimes against humanity. This was the first time that somebody in Bosnia and Herzegovina's Parliament proposed such a legislation. Bosnian Serb MPs voted against this legislation and proposed that such an issue should be resolved within the Criminal Code of Bosnia and Herzegovina.[22] Following this, on 6 May 2009 Bosniak MPs Adem Huskic, Ekrem Ajanovic and Remzija Kadric proposed to the BH parliament a change to the Criminal Code of Bosnia and Herzegovina where Holocaust, genocide and crimes against humanity denial would be criminalized.[23] Bosnian Serb MPs have repeatedly been against such a legislation claiming that the law "would cause disagreement and even animosity" according to SNSD member Lazar Prodanovic.[24]


Czech Republic[edit]
In the Czech Republic, Holocaust denial and denial of communist perpetrated atrocities is illegal.


Law Against Support and Dissemination of Movements Oppressing Human Rights and Freedoms (2001)


§ 260 (1) The person who supports or spreads movements oppressing human rights and freedoms or declares national, race, religious or class hatred or hatred against other group of persons will be punished by prison from 1 to 5 years. (2) The person will be imprisoned from 3 to 8 years if: a) he/she commits the crime mentioned in paragraph (1) in print, film, radio, television or other similarly effective manner, b) he/she commits the crime as a member of an organized group c) he/she commits the crime in a state of national emergency or state of war


§ 261 The person who publicly declares sympathies with such a movement mentioned in § 260, will be punished by prison from 6 months to 3 years.


§ 261a The person who publicly denies, puts in doubt, approves or tries to justify nazi or communist genocide or other crimes of nazis or communists will be punished by prison of 6 months to 3 years.[25]


France[edit]
In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945–46. When the act was challenged by Robert Faurisson, the Human Rights Committee upheld it as a necessary means to counter possible antisemitism.[26] In 2012, the Constitutional Council of France ruled that to extend the Gayssot Act to the Armenian Genocide denial was unconstitutional because it violated the freedom of speech.[27]


LAW No 90-615 to repress acts of racism, anti-semitism and xenophobia (1990)


MODIFICATIONS OF THE LAW OF JULY 29, 1881 ON THE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS Art 8. – Article 24 of the Law on the Freedom of the Press of 29 July 1881 is supplemented by the following provisions: In the event of judgment for one of the facts envisaged by the preceding subparagraph, the court will be able moreover to order: Except when the responsibility for the author of the infringement is retained on the base for article 42 and the first subparagraph for article 43 for this law or the first three subparagraphs for article 93-3 for the law No 82-652 for July 29, 1982 on the audio-visual communication, the deprivation of the rights enumerated to the 2o and 3o of article 42 of the penal code for imprisonment of five years maximum;


Art 9. – As an amendment to Article 24 of the law of July 29, 1881 on the freedom of the press, article 24 (a) is as follows written: <<Art. 24 (a). - those who have disputed the existence of one or more crimes against humanity such as they are defined by Article 6 of the statute of the international tribunal military annexed in the agreement of London of August 8, 1945 and which were a carried out either by the members of an organization declared criminal pursuant to Article 9 of the aforementioned statute, or by a person found guilty such crimes by a French or international jurisdiction shall be punished by one month to one year's imprisonment or a fine.


Art 13. – It is inserted, after article 48-1 of the law of July 29, 1881 on the freedom of the press, article 48-2 thus written: <<Art. 48-2. - publication or publicly expressed opinion encouraging those to whom it is addressed to pass a favourable moral judgment on one or more crimes against humanity and tending to justify these crimes (including collaboration) or vindicate their perpetrators shall be punished by one to five years' imprisonment or a fine.[28]


Hungary[edit]
The Parliament of Hungary declared the denial or trivialization of the Holocaust a crime punishable by up to three years' imprisonment on February 23, 2010.[36] The law was signed by the President of the Republic in March 2010.[37] On June 8, 2010, the newly elected Fidesz-dominated parliament changed the formulation of the law to "punish those, who deny the genocides committed by national socialist or communist systems, or deny other facts of deeds against humanity".[38] The word "Holocaust" is no longer in the law.


In 2011, the first man was charged with Holocaust denial in Budapest. The Court sentenced the man to 18 months in prison, suspended for three years, and probation. He also had to visit either Budapest's memorial museum, Auschwitz or Yad Vashem in Jerusalem. He chose his local Holocaust Memorial Center and had to make three visits in total and record his observations.[39]


In January 2015, the court ordered far-right on-line newspaper Kuruc.info to delete its article denying the Holocaust published in July 2013, which was the first ruling in Hungary of its kind.[40] The Association for Civil Liberties (TASZ) offered free legal aid to the website as a protest against restrictions on freedom of speech,[41] but the site refused citing the liberal views of the association, and also refused to delete the article.[42]

Israel[edit]
In Israel, a law to criminalize Holocaust denial was passed by the Knesset on July 8, 1986.


Denial of Holocaust (Prohibition) Law, 5746-1986


Definitions 1. In this Law, "crime against the Jewish people" and "crime against humanity" have the same respective meanings as in the "Nazis and Nazi Collaborators Law, 5710-1950.


Prohibition of Denial of Holocaust 2. A person who, in writing or by word of mouth, publishes any statement denying or diminishing the proportions of acts committed in the period of the Nazi regime, which are crimes against the Jewish people or crimes against humanity, with intent to defend the perpetrators of those acts or to express sympathy or identification with them, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of five years.


Prohibition of publication of expression for sympathy for Nazi crimes 3. A person who, in writing or by word of mouth, publishes any statement expressing praise or sympathy for or identification with acts done in the period of the Nazi regime, which are crimes against the Jewish people or crimes against humanity, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of five years.


Permitted publication 4. The publication of a correct and fair report of a publication prohibited by this Law shall not be regarded as an offence thereunder so long as it is not made with intent to express sympathy or identification with the perpetrators of crimes against the Jewish people or against humanity.


Filing of charge 5. An indictment for offences under this Law shall only be filed by or with the consent of the Attorney-General.[43]


Liechtenstein[edit]
Although not specifically outlining national socialist crimes, item five of section 283 of Liechtenstein's criminal code prohibits the denial of genocide.


§ 283 Race discrimination


Whoever publicly denies, coarsely trivialises, or tries to justify genocide or other crimes against humanity via word, writing, pictures, electronically transmitted signs, gestures, violent acts or by other means shall be punished with imprisonment for up to two years.[44]


Lithuania[edit]
In Lithuania, approval and denial of Nazi or Soviet crimes is prohibited.


170(2) Publicly condoning international crimes, crimes of the USSR or Nazi Germany against the Republic of Lithuania and her inhabitants, denial or belittling of such crimes.[45]

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Luxembourg[edit]
In Luxembourg, Article 457-3 of the Criminal Code, Act of 19 July 1997 outlaws Holocaust denial and denial of other genocides.[46] The punishment is imprisonment for between 8 days and 6 months and/or a fine.[46] The offence of "negationism and revisionism" applies to:


...anyone who has contested, minimised, justified or denied the existence of war crimes or crimes against humanity as defined in the statutes of the International Military Tribunal of 8 August 1945 or the existence of a genocide as defined by the Act of 8 August 1985. A complaint must be lodged by the person against whom the offence was committed (victim or association) in order for proceedings to be brought, Article 450 of the Criminal Code, Act of 19 July 1997.[46]


Netherlands[edit]
While Holocaust denial is not explicitly illegal in the Netherlands, the courts consider it a form of spreading hatred and therefore an offence.[47] According to the Dutch public prosecution office, offensive remarks are only punishable by Dutch law if they equate to discrimination against a particular group.[48] The relevant laws of the Dutch penal code are as follows:


Article 137c


He who in public, either verbally or in writing or image, deliberately offends a group of people because of their race, their religion or beliefs, their hetero- or homosexual orientation or their physical, psychological or mental handicap, shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding one year or a fine of the third category. [...][49]
Article 137d


He who in public, either verbally or in writing or image, incites hatred or discrimination against people or incites acts of violence towards people or property of people because of their race, their religion or beliefs, their gender, their hetero- or homosexual orientation or their physical, psychological or mental handicap, shall be punished with imprisonment not exceeding one year or a fine of the third category. [...][50]
Poland[edit]
In Poland, Holocaust denial and the denial of communist crimes is punishable by law.


Act of 18 December 1998 on the Institute of National Remembrance – Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation (Dz.U. 1998 nr 155 poz. 1016)


Article 55
He who publicly and contrary to facts contradicts the crimes mentioned in Article 1, clause 1 shall be subject to a fine or a penalty of deprivation of liberty of up to three years. The judgment shall be made publicly known.


Article 1
This Act shall govern:
1. the registration, collection, access, management and use of the documents of the organs of state security created and collected between 22 July 1944 and 31 December 1989, and the documents of the organs of security of the Third Reich and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics concerning:


a) crimes perpetrated against persons of Polish nationality and Polish citizens of other ethnicity, nationalities in the period between 1 September 1939 and 31 December 1989:
- Nazi crimes,
- communist crimes,
- other crimes constituting crimes against peace, crimes against humanity or war crimes
b) other politically motivated repressive measures committed by functionaries of Polish prosecution bodies or the judiciary or persons acting upon their orders, and disclosed in the content of the rulings given pursuant to the Act of 23 February 1991 on the Acknowledgement as Null and Void Decisions Delivered on Persons Repressed for Activities for the Benefit of the Independent Polish State (Journal of Laws of 1993 No. 34, item 149, of 1995 No. 36, item 159, No. 28, item 143, and of 1998 No. 97, item 604),
2. the rules of procedure as regards the prosecution of crimes specified in point 1 letter a),
3. the protection of the personal data of grieved parties, and
4. the conduct of activities as regards public education.[51]


Portugal[edit]
Although denial of the Holocaust is not expressly illegal in Portugal, Portuguese law prohibits denial of war crimes if used to incite to discrimination.


Article 240: Racial, religious, or sexual discrimination


[…]


2 — Whoever in a public meeting, in writing intended for dissemination, or by any means of mass media or computer system whose purpose is to disseminate:


[…]
b) defames or slanders an individual or group of individuals because of race, colour, ethnic or national origin, or religion, particularly through the denial of war crimes or those against peace and humanity;
[…]
with intent to incite to racial, religious or sexual discrimination or to encourage it, shall be punished with imprisonment from six months to five years.[52]


Romania[edit]
In Romania, Emergency Ordinance No. 31 of March 13, 2002 prohibits Holocaust denial. It was ratified on May 6, 2006. The law also prohibits racist, fascist, xenophobic symbols, uniforms and gestures: proliferation of which is punishable with imprisonment from between six months to five years.


Emergency Ordinance No. 31 of March 13, 2002


[...]


Article 3. – (1) Establishing a fascist, racist or xenophobic organisation is punishable by imprisonment from 5 to 15 years and the loss of certain rights.


[...]


Article 4. – (1) The dissemination, sale or manufacture of symbols either fascist, racist or xenophobic, and possession of such symbols is punished with imprisonment from 6 months to 5 years and the loss of certain rights.


[...]


Article 5. – Promoting the culture of persons guilty of committing a crime against peace and humanity or promoting fascist, racist or xenophobic ideology, through propaganda, committed by any means, in public, is punishable by imprisonment from 6 months to 5 years and the loss of certain rights.


Article 6. – Denial of the Holocaust in public, or to the effects thereof is punishable by imprisonment from 6 months to 5 years and the loss of certain rights.[53]


Spain[edit]
Genocide denial was illegal in Spain until the Constitutional Court of Spain ruled that the words "deny or" were unconstitutional in its judgement of November 7, 2007.[54] As a result, Holocaust denial is legal in Spain, although justifying the Holocaust or any other genocide is an offence punishable by imprisonment in accordance with the constitution.[55]


PENAL CODE- BOOK II, TITLE XXIV Crimes against the International Community




Chapter II: Crimes of genocide – Article 6071.


1. Those who, with the intention to total or partially destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, perpetrate the following acts, will be punished:


1) With the prison sentence of fifteen to twenty years, if they killed to some of its members.
If the fact two or more aggravating circumstances concurred in, the greater punishment in degree will prevail.
2) With the prison of fifteen to twenty years, if they sexually attacked to some of members [of the group] or produced some of the injuries anticipated in article 149.
3) With prison sentence of eight to fifteen years, if they subjected the group or anyone of its individuals to conditions of existence that put their lives in danger or seriously disturbed their health, or when they produced some to them of the injuries anticipated in article 150.
4) With the same punishment, if they carried out [unavoidable] displacements of the group or their members, they adopted any measurement that tend to prevent their sort of life or reproduction, or transferred by force individuals from a group to another one.
5) With imprisonment of four to eight years, if they produced any other injury different from the ones indicated in numbers 2) and 3) of this section.
2. The diffusion by any means of ideas or doctrines that deny or justify the crimes in the previous section of this article, or tries the rehabilitation of regimes or institutions which they protect generating practices of such, will be punished with a prison sentence of one to two years.[56]


Switzerland[edit]
Holocaust denial is not expressly illegal in Switzerland, but the denial of genocide and other crimes against humanity is an imprisonable offence.


Art. 261bis 1


Racial discrimination


Whoever publicly, by word, writing, image, gesture, acts of violence or any other manner, demeans or discriminates against an individual or a group of individuals because of their race, their ethnicity or their religion in a way which undermines human dignity, or on those bases, denies, coarsely minimizes or seeks to justify a genocide or other crimes against humanity [...] shall be punished with up to three years' imprisonment or a fine.[57]

So one second you say no such laws exist, but then you post several nation's laws which prove the opposite the next second? The USA has an amendment to its constitution which protects freedom of speech (though there exists a few, but very few, examples of unprotected speech), and it has no law which prohibits a person from denying the holocaust, and it would be unable to make such a law as that denial would be protected inder the First Amendment. GERMANY does not (to my knowledge) constitutionally protect free speech to the same extent that the USA does, and it DOES have a law prohibiting denial of the holocaust, and that is what this lady was arrested for. As an outsider, it makes sense to me that Germany would have such a law as it was their Nation who was responsible for the creation of the Nazi Party and it makes sense that they would prohibit their citizens from publicly denying the acts done under the Nazi Party. As for the other nations and their laws against it, I don't know what rights and freedoms they have and whether these laws conflict with that; though it partially does not make sense that they would have these laws (Austria and such do make sense) but some of the others do not. The USA never has agreed with the Nazi movement and likely never will so it makes sense that it doesn't care if some of its citizens believe the holocaust didn't happen. But a Nation that was once influenced by the Nazis? Sure, it makes sense and I have no issue with such a law.

 

[Brian Griffin]

WW2 Germany is not the most evilest nation in history,British empire is the most evilest nation .They killed more than a Billion people and you know who helped Europeans conquer Africa and Asia..the "Jews",yes,jews has done many horrible things in our history(Mines in africa,opium war,Slave trade).Also how many wars has America been doing to spread peace and democracy.Concentration camps exists in all nation for example guantanamo bay.They are basically jails.

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Not until 1995 did Vietnam release its official estimate of war dead: as many as 2 million civilians on both sides and some 1.1 million North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters. The U.S. military has estimated that between 200,000 and 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers died in the war.

The war began in December 1979, and lasted until February 1989. About 15,000 Soviet soldiers were killed, and about 35,000 were wounded. About one million Afghan civilians were killed. The anti-government forces had support from many countries, mainly the United States and Pakistan.

Scientific surveys of Iraqi deaths resulting from the first four years of the Iraq War found that between 151,000 to over one million Iraqis died as a result of conflict during this time. A later study, published in 2011, found that approximately 500,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the conflict since the invasion.


About 10.5 million slaves arrived in the Americas. Besides the slaves who died on the Middle Passage, more Africans likely died during the slave raids in Africa and forced marches to ports. Manning estimates that 4 million died inside Africa after capture, and many more died young.

We kill more animals every year in most brutal ways.Everyone should check how

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Banning the questioning of holocaust will not have any effect in this world,Blaming NSDAP and Hitler as most evil people is simply not true.

Obviously, she wasn't allowed to deny it publicly otherwise she wouldn't have been jailed afterward. And as for denying the other things you mentioned:
1) were they acts committed by the National Socialistic Party? If not, then

2) what is your complaint about?

3) The law states that denying acts committed under Nazi rule, acts that have been factually proven, is prohibited as it can disturb the peace and I imagine the logic behind it is to prevent anyone from trying to re-instate the Nazi Party by claiming that the factually proven acts did not occur as have been shown.

4) The whole success of the Nazi Party was due to making the public believe that the Jews were being sent to harmless labour camps when they were in fact being murdered.

The world & Germany do not need nor want the Nazi Party and their ideals to resurface and that is the point of that law. You can call it free speech if you want, but I can easily see it as being hate speech with the potential to undo all that has been already done to stop that propaganda. Based on the law, she is free to feel and think that way in a private setting but she errd by stating those views publicly, on television, for the world to see.

So your issue is null and void. Publicly denying the holocaust is illegal in Germany and she violated that law. Don't like it? Vote to get it changed though that is a futile effort.

1)so acts committed by the National Socialistic Party should be banned ?Then we should ban public schools,public hospitals,hair cuts,Jails,welfare system,TV used for politics etc.

2) there should be no rules against freedom of speech any where in the world for any reason.

3) A lot of things have been factually proven to disturb peace,like religion,army,nuclear bombs,marijuana=D,racism,government,patriarchy,Nationalism(which is the basic principle of NSDAP) ..etc.
Did banning holocaust denial solve all the problems in the world ? They only banned questioning holocaust not Nationalism,government,racism or any stuff that actually can make a change (can't be sure positive or negative change).It makes as much sense making a law banning poverty and stupidity.

4) NSDAP was successful because they succeeded in eliminating poverty caused by WW1.
Jews were send to labour camps years after NSDAP came to power and only due to Haavara Agreement by zionists.

Hanotea (Hebrew: הנוטע), a Zionist citrus planting company, applied in May 1933 for the ability to transfer capital from Germany to Palestine. Hanotea served to assist German Jews' immigration to Palestine as part of the Zionist endeavor. In a deal worked out with the German government, Hanotea would receive money from prospective immigrants and use this money to buy German goods. These goods, along with the immigrants, would then be shipped to Palestine. In Palestine, import merchants would then buy the goods from the immigrants, liquidating their investment. This arrangement appeared to be operating successfully, and so paved the way for the later Haavara Agreement. Connected to Hanotea was a Polish Zionist Jew, Sam Cohen. He represented Zionist interests in direct negotiation with the Nazis beginning in March 1933

The racism was a propaganda used to get European jews to move from Europe to Palestine.

I've met other people who negated Holocaust, and, exactly like this dumbass, they were a bunch of Fascist *******s

Fascism is a complicated political belief.Denial of historical event do not automatically make you a fascist or a dumbass.I am sure most of these people don't even know what fascism means.

Sounds better lol... Though I do personally disagree with your position... But that's just me.


It's indeed interesting to note those things but I do see it different than simply banning the discussion of a defeated nation/party. The horrendous acts done by that party and how they lied to their own countrymen are what sets them apart. They are trying to do the same in the United States about the Confederate army, but it's a bit of the reverse. The lies are being told now versus back when it actually happened. It doesn't work that way. The laws in Germany are not new from my understanding and the United States has no laws preventing the descendants from displaying or speaking of their Confederate heritage. It wasn't completely about race, but that's now what they teach and what they are trying to use to ban it; but the laws of the USA don't work that way. Germany is a bit of a different situation. It's never good for any nation to pretend atrocities that have been proven true, are false.

What you call horrendous has been done by many nations through out history (Colonisation of Asia and Africa more than a 1 Billion dead),not just Germany and its still being done by America and Britain called war on terror.

If you ban having a discussion if the facts or let people investigate are true,people will never learn from history.Marijuana was also banned with a lot of fake studies,movies,books which turned out to be a lie.

Why are the jews so afraid germans should not investigate holocaust ?

Germany is not a different situation.
[video=youtube;eXa_-GQZ_Cc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXa_-GQZ_Cc[/video]

11 million civilians were murdered - 5 million Jewish adults and 1 million Jewish children. Towards the end of the war there was a Nazi effort to hide the genocide, which included, amongst other things "death marches" to hide the systematic massacres by spreading out bodies.

How can you hide 6 or 11 million dead bodies (including Gypsies,Gay) in such a small time during all of its sides have been defeated by Russia and Britain ?
Explain.did they wave a wand and 6 or 11 million bodies just disappeared to thin air ?

1) So one second you say no such laws exist, but then you post several nation's laws which prove the opposite the next second?

2) The USA has an amendment to its constitution which protects freedom of speech (though there exists a few, but very few, examples of unprotected speech), and it has no law which prohibits a person from denying the holocaust, and it would be unable to make such a law as that denial would be protected inder the First Amendment. GERMANY does not (to my knowledge) constitutionally protect free speech to the same extent that the USA does, and it DOES have a law prohibiting denial of the holocaust, and that is what this lady was arrested for.

3) As an outsider, it makes sense to me that Germany would have such a law as it was their Nation who was responsible for the creation of the Nazi Party and it makes sense that they would prohibit their citizens from publicly denying the acts done under the Nazi Party. As for the other nations and their laws against it, I don't know what rights and freedoms they have and whether these laws conflict with that; though it partially does not make sense that they would have these laws (Austria and such do make sense) but some of the others do not. The USA never has agreed with the Nazi movement and likely never will so it makes sense that it doesn't care if some of its citizens believe the holocaust didn't happen. But a Nation that was once influenced by the Nazis? Sure, it makes sense and I have no issue with such a law.

1)No,if you read the 1st post you will understand what i meant was rest of the world and can deny about slavery,racism,deaths caused by colonisation of Africa and Asia,death caused by US wars against terrorism is not banned even with heave death counts.That's good for free speech,last thing we want is feminists passing a law against men who deny patriarchy.


One big reason some people believe jews control the world is because laws like this exist,how can jews pass laws against free speech in so many democratic nations ?


2) Its not Germany's fault they have such laws,Germany is still a colony of USA and jewish lobby.These laws are forced on its people just like the rest of the nations on the list like Palestin (you call it Israel).


3)There is no such thing called Nazi party.Hitlers party is called "The National Socialist German Workers' Party" called in short NSDAP.This is what happens when you learn history from hollywood propaganda.The name nazi came from the word ashkenazi jews.ashke"nazi" jews...
Because Zionist jews from Russia worked with Hitler for transfer agreement for creation of Israel and forced other jews who didn't wan't to move from europe into Transfer camps.The hollywood is trying to cover up this truth calling germans as Nazi.

Hanotea (Hebrew: הנוטע), a Zionist citrus planting company, applied in May 1933 for the ability to transfer capital from Germany to Palestine. Hanotea served to assist German Jews' immigration to Palestine as part of the Zionist endeavor. In a deal worked out with the German government, Hanotea would receive money from prospective immigrants and use this money to buy German goods. These goods, along with the immigrants, would then be shipped to Palestine. In Palestine, import merchants would then buy the goods from the immigrants, liquidating their investment. This arrangement appeared to be operating successfully, and so paved the way for the later Haavara Agreement. Connected to Hanotea was a Polish Zionist Jew, Sam Cohen. He represented Zionist interests in direct negotiation with the Nazis beginning in March 1933


It would also make sense to make rules against British for saying colonisation was a good for India,China,Africa and we need to colonise them again:devil:.It would also make sense to make rules against men who deny patriarchy:devil:=D.It would also make sense to make rules against people who says religion is peace...etc,i could give you tons of such example.Its against free speech and such rules should not exist.


Also all nationalist parties around the world is similar to party NSDAP.Only the name party "Nazi" is tabooed in Germany.We still have nationalist parties in Germany,Europe and rest of the world so the ban has no effect.Also nationalism did not cause WW2 or any other deaths,it was war and profit for bankers,weapon industry that leads to genocide.(Auschwitz and many american owned weapon making factories in Germany was never bombed during the long war, if they bombed it war would have ended in months with few casualties,also hitler was funded by jewish bankers)

 

[SSStylish]

Still the most stupid law in Germany. You can't say anything negative about jews because you're automatically an antisemit/nazi and you mustn't deny the holocaust like a good goy :lol

 

[Brian Griffin]

Still the most stupid law in Germany. You can't say anything negative about jews because you're automatically an antisemit/nazi and you mustn't deny the holocaust like a good goy :lol

Thank you,Israel is the main cause of the wars in the middle east done by USA.
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Also please use these points from my

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,when i am not around when some one blames Hitler.